State pension goalposts moved again
Discussion
PurpleMoonlight said:
Take?
It's okay for the old to starve but not the young?
They have as much right to apply as the next person. You have a strange view of society.
In society there are only so many jobs available. It's okay for the old to starve but not the young?
They have as much right to apply as the next person. You have a strange view of society.
You say Take? I say they get disengaged and when the oldie is retired they need them to be in work paying for their state pensions.
The oldies have had their entire lifetimes to save up so being greedy taking opportunity from inexperienced youth is criminal
JagLover said:
As pointed out earlier this doesn't only effect those doing physical tasks.
My dad had to semi-retire due to stress in his late 50s and spent a few years doing part time gardening before his pensions kicked in.
I don't think i will be able to do my job when I am heading toward 60 either.
What most of us need to be planning for is a far less demanding part time job as we head toward our 60s.
I think thats a very negative view of things. In the absence of a medical condition, I see no reason why somebody in a non-manual job should not be able to continue, never mind struggling to get past mid 50s. What many of us may want is a less demanding job as we get older that is very different to being unable to continue.My dad had to semi-retire due to stress in his late 50s and spent a few years doing part time gardening before his pensions kicked in.
I don't think i will be able to do my job when I am heading toward 60 either.
What most of us need to be planning for is a far less demanding part time job as we head toward our 60s.
The contract on my current project prevents us from using people over 60, its surprising how much trouble that causes us in terms of getting the right people for the job.
GT03ROB said:
JagLover said:
As pointed out earlier this doesn't only effect those doing physical tasks.
My dad had to semi-retire due to stress in his late 50s and spent a few years doing part time gardening before his pensions kicked in.
I don't think i will be able to do my job when I am heading toward 60 either.
What most of us need to be planning for is a far less demanding part time job as we head toward our 60s.
I think thats a very negative view of things. In the absence of a medical condition, I see no reason why somebody in a non-manual job should not be able to continue, never mind struggling to get past mid 50s. What many of us may want is a less demanding job as we get older that is very different to being unable to continue.My dad had to semi-retire due to stress in his late 50s and spent a few years doing part time gardening before his pensions kicked in.
I don't think i will be able to do my job when I am heading toward 60 either.
What most of us need to be planning for is a far less demanding part time job as we head toward our 60s.
The contract on my current project prevents us from using people over 60, its surprising how much trouble that causes us in terms of getting the right people for the job.
In a professional environment a contracted 37.5 hours is often realistically an expectation you will work 42 hours plus. Which in a demanding, stressful, job, is probably going to be a bit much at 60. The jobs I see around in my profession that are less stressful tend to part time roles, like part time bookkeeper positions. A number of older chaps I've met are doing that sort of work.
JagLover said:
In a professional environment a contracted 37.5 hours is often realistically an expectation you will work 42 hours plus. Which in a demanding, stressful, job, is probably going to be a bit much at 60.
In my role 50-60hrs per week is the norm in harsh environments, in fact in a few weeks I'm moving to 78hr weeks. It is quite normal for guys to be doing it beyond 60 & I expect to as well. I guess it depends on what you are used to. Welshbeef said:
Where are and what are all these part time jobs?
I call it taking jobs away from mums trying to return to work after maternity. Sadly the old want to take jobs away from those who need them the most to feed their families.
I retired 9 years ago, and have had a succession of part time jobs. Driving, security, working at the Crown Court, exam invigilator, and currently working part time for a funeral director. In fact I have never NOT had part time work, and often more offered than I wanted.I call it taking jobs away from mums trying to return to work after maternity. Sadly the old want to take jobs away from those who need them the most to feed their families.
XCP said:
I retired 9 years ago, and have had a succession of part time jobs. Driving, security, working at the Crown Court, exam invigilator, and currently working part time for a funeral director. In fact I have never NOT had part time work, and often more offered than I wanted.
I think there is a large number of part time jobs out there. A lot of them better suited to the semi retired than young people, due to the need for flexibility of working hours, etc..Welshbeef said:
In society there are only so many jobs available.
You say Take? I say they get disengaged and when the oldie is retired they need them to be in work paying for their state pensions.
The oldies have had their entire lifetimes to save up so being greedy taking opportunity from inexperienced youth is criminal
don't blame the old,blame technology for making many manual jobs redundant,and dare I say it 'feminism',You say Take? I say they get disengaged and when the oldie is retired they need them to be in work paying for their state pensions.
The oldies have had their entire lifetimes to save up so being greedy taking opportunity from inexperienced youth is criminal
now both parents generally 'have' to work just to keep afloat.
in my social circle nearly all the people I know who are at retirement age or nearing it couldn't/can't wait to stop working,most of them even going before 60,mind you a lot of them don't have kids so can probably afford it.
garagewidow said:
don't blame the old,blame technology for making many manual jobs redundant,and dare I say it 'feminism',
now both parents generally 'have' to work just to keep afloat.
in my social circle nearly all the people I know who are at retirement age or nearing it couldn't/can't wait to stop working,most of them even going before 60,mind you a lot of them don't have kids so can probably afford it.
I started my 10 year plan to retirement last year.now both parents generally 'have' to work just to keep afloat.
in my social circle nearly all the people I know who are at retirement age or nearing it couldn't/can't wait to stop working,most of them even going before 60,mind you a lot of them don't have kids so can probably afford it.
But I do wonder what I will do with my time. Potentially 15 years to fill is a hell of a long time and to be honest I find the prospect somewhat daunting.
GT03ROB said:
XCP said:
I retired 9 years ago, and have had a succession of part time jobs. Driving, security, working at the Crown Court, exam invigilator, and currently working part time for a funeral director. In fact I have never NOT had part time work, and often more offered than I wanted.
I think there is a large number of part time jobs out there. A lot of them better suited to the semi retired than young people, due to the need for flexibility of working hours, etc..XCP said:
I think that is true. To some extent I have been offered work through 'contacts' as well. I guess I am lucky in being able to turn work down.
Exactly now try that poor young chap with zero experience not being given a chance yet potentially you or any other OAP are taking a job which could get him started in life & rather than be on benefits paying towards your state pension. Welshbeef said:
Exactly now try that poor young chap with zero experience not being given a chance yet potentially you or any other OAP are taking a job which could get him started in life & rather than be on benefits paying towards your state pension.
There will be lots of fruit and veg picking jobs soon for them.Welshbeef said:
XCP said:
I think that is true. To some extent I have been offered work through 'contacts' as well. I guess I am lucky in being able to turn work down.
Exactly now try that poor young chap with zero experience not being given a chance yet potentially you or any other OAP are taking a job which could get him started in life & rather than be on benefits paying towards your state pension. Welshbeef said:
Where are and what are all these part time jobs?
I call it taking jobs away from mums trying to return to work after maternity. Sadly the old want to take jobs away from those who need them the most to feed their families.
A somewhat crazy comment perhaps ?I call it taking jobs away from mums trying to return to work after maternity. Sadly the old want to take jobs away from those who need them the most to feed their families.
How did mothers after maternity leave suddenly come into the issue ?. If they had maternity leave from their employer then they have a right to return there - perhaps an OAP was filling in during her months off .... !!
PurpleMoonlight said:
Welshbeef said:
So someone starting out in life trying to get experience in a field (mind he pun) that hey intend to work in and the suggestion is zero skill or extremely low skill fruit picking.
Right.
Well, if they don't want to starve ...Right.
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