Guy Martin - Charged over fake driving licence
Discussion
yonex said:
227bhp said:
Amazed you don't realise that driven, single minded, determined and obsessive are all prime Aspergers traits! That's how he got to be at the level he was at as a TT racer, it wasn't through being exceptionally talented at it.
Also amazed that people think his on-screen persona has anything to do with what he's like in real life. You wouldn't want to know him in real life nor him you either.
And you’ve known him how long? Also, not exceptionally talented’ as a rider, two pieces of bAlso amazed that people think his on-screen persona has anything to do with what he's like in real life. You wouldn't want to know him in real life nor him you either.
ks in short order. There are three main ways of getting good at what you do:
1. Being talented at it.
2. Being really interested in it and not much else, then doing it over and over again until you get to be good at it.
The third is a combination of the two and what makes a true and consistent winner.
GM just happens to be No.2, sorry to burst your bubble.
227bhp said:
yonex said:
227bhp said:
Amazed you don't realise that driven, single minded, determined and obsessive are all prime Aspergers traits! That's how he got to be at the level he was at as a TT racer, it wasn't through being exceptionally talented at it.
Also amazed that people think his on-screen persona has anything to do with what he's like in real life. You wouldn't want to know him in real life nor him you either.
And you’ve known him how long? Also, not exceptionally talented’ as a rider, two pieces of bAlso amazed that people think his on-screen persona has anything to do with what he's like in real life. You wouldn't want to know him in real life nor him you either.
ks in short order. There are three main ways of getting good at what you do:
1. Being talented at it.
2. Being really interested in it and not much else, then doing it over and over again until you get to be good at it.
The third is a combination of the two and what makes a true and consistent winner.
GM just happens to be No.2, sorry to burst your bubble.
Wrong on at least one count. Sorry to burst your bubble.
milkround said:
Experts have determined he wasn't able to tell if he really did have a licence or not. I think you need to accept that.
How so. He's not a gibbering loon, he's an accomplished sportsman and presenter and a mechanic. You know if you've taken lessons and a test for a particular vehicle. It's not normal to be in possession of a fake licence from another country and try to get your UK licence from it.
It reads like getting off on a technicality, otherwise there would be a coherent story, and the person supplying the fake would be in trouble.
227bhp said:
You know nothing about what I know and nothing about him either, that's a fact.
There are three main ways of getting good at what you do:
1. Being talented at it.
2. Being really interested in it and not much else, then doing it over and over again until you get to be good at it.
The third is a combination of the two and what makes a true and consistent winner.
GM just happens to be No.2, sorry to burst your bubble.
And you know nothing about who I’ve met, so wind your neck in. There are three main ways of getting good at what you do:
1. Being talented at it.
2. Being really interested in it and not much else, then doing it over and over again until you get to be good at it.
The third is a combination of the two and what makes a true and consistent winner.
GM just happens to be No.2, sorry to burst your bubble.
As for your, let’s say complete and total b
ks about racing (escalated from just bks) GM has proven himself way beyond your expectations. And actually, to be good at something you just need talent, to be exceptional at it, you require talent and devotion. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Never thought this would go far as I imagine many coppers have his poster on their bedroom wall.
No harm done but he still has no qualification to drive hgv vehicles.
He can afford the lessons and test I guess. Maybe he can make a HGV 6 part c4 series with that richard burton gravitas narration they all seem to have.
No harm done but he still has no qualification to drive hgv vehicles.
He can afford the lessons and test I guess. Maybe he can make a HGV 6 part c4 series with that richard burton gravitas narration they all seem to have.
Have to say I'm surprised by the outcome. I'd have thought autism can just be a mitigating factor in sentencing, not a defence.
Do CPS really decide to not proceed based on the expected sentence, rather than the likelihood of a guilty verdict?
https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/legal-...
Do CPS really decide to not proceed based on the expected sentence, rather than the likelihood of a guilty verdict?
https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/legal-...
yonex said:
227bhp said:
You know nothing about what I know and nothing about him either, that's a fact.
There are three main ways of getting good at what you do:
1. Being talented at it.
2. Being really interested in it and not much else, then doing it over and over again until you get to be good at it.
The third is a combination of the two and what makes a true and consistent winner.
GM just happens to be No.2, sorry to burst your bubble.
And you know nothing about who I’ve met, so wind your neck in. There are three main ways of getting good at what you do:
1. Being talented at it.
2. Being really interested in it and not much else, then doing it over and over again until you get to be good at it.
The third is a combination of the two and what makes a true and consistent winner.
GM just happens to be No.2, sorry to burst your bubble.
As for your, let’s say complete and total b
ks about racing (escalated from just bks) GM has proven himself way beyond your expectations. And actually, to be good at something you just need talent, to be exceptional at it, you require talent and devotion. Sorry to burst your bubble.
You're trying to disagree for the sake of it, but are actually agreeing with me.
I never had any expectations of him, but he never won a TT. So whilst being devoted and good at what he did he was never the best.
227bhp said:
You're in no position to be aggressively telling me what to do, that's a fact too.
You're trying to disagree for the sake of it, but are actually agreeing with me.
I never had any expectations of him, but he never won a TT. So whilst being devoted and good at what he did he was never the best.
I’m telling you a little bit about racing, not what to do, my opinion based on time spent in the sport and paddock. 17 podiums at the TT, go and do some research. You're trying to disagree for the sake of it, but are actually agreeing with me.
I never had any expectations of him, but he never won a TT. So whilst being devoted and good at what he did he was never the best.
You’re attaching the man for no reason, that’s pretty obvious. Why, i don’t know, but don’t make up a load of crap to support your personal crusade and then pass them off as facts, because they’re not. Also, don’t tell me who I would and wouldn’t like, or like share a pint with. Just maybe I already do, or have done so.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 27th December 12:54
V8covin said:
Did he take a hgv test ?
He'll know the answer
Did he pass or fail ?
He'll know the answer.
Therefore he would know whether he has a genuine or fake licence
From reading the information available:He'll know the answer
Did he pass or fail ?
He'll know the answer.
Therefore he would know whether he has a genuine or fake licence
He ‘thinks’ or ‘believes’ that he took a HGV test in Northern Ireland, at some point, while working there.
There are no records of him ever taking any HGV tests or passing any tests in either Northern Ireland or Ireland.
He was then ‘presented with’ a fake Irish HGV licence (not Northern Irish).
He then submitted the fake Irish licence along with his real UK licence to the DVLA in order to have the fake Irish HGV entitlements added to his UK licence.
The prosecution said:
“When he was interviewed the defendant gave an explanation that at first blush seemed hard to accept.”
His solicitor told the court:
“I say nothing about the facts as instructed to do so”
Essentially, he did what he was accused of, but the CPS decided that his disability meant that he possibly didn’t know it was wrong.
Lord Marylebone said:
From reading the information available:
He ‘thinks’ or ‘believes’ that he took a HGV test in Northern Ireland, at some point, while working there.
There are no records of him ever taking any HGV tests or passing any tests in either Northern Ireland or Ireland.
He was then ‘presented with’ a fake Irish HGV licence (not Northern Irish).
He then submitted the fake Irish licence along with his real UK licence to the DVLA in order to have the fake Irish HGV entitlements added to his UK licence.
The prosecution said:
“When he was interviewed the defendant gave an explanation that at first blush seemed hard to accept.”
His solicitor told the court:
“I say nothing about the facts as instructed to do so”
Essentially, he did what he was accused of, but the CPS decided that his disability meant that he possibly didn’t know it was wrong.
yeah right, sounds about as legit as child porn "research"He ‘thinks’ or ‘believes’ that he took a HGV test in Northern Ireland, at some point, while working there.
There are no records of him ever taking any HGV tests or passing any tests in either Northern Ireland or Ireland.
He was then ‘presented with’ a fake Irish HGV licence (not Northern Irish).
He then submitted the fake Irish licence along with his real UK licence to the DVLA in order to have the fake Irish HGV entitlements added to his UK licence.
The prosecution said:
“When he was interviewed the defendant gave an explanation that at first blush seemed hard to accept.”
His solicitor told the court:
“I say nothing about the facts as instructed to do so”
Essentially, he did what he was accused of, but the CPS decided that his disability meant that he possibly didn’t know it was wrong.
Top double standards from Yonex. Spends pages in the boxing thread slating AJ after he won his world titles back, but is furious with anyone doing to same thing to his apparent man-crush!
In terms of disability / MH issues etc, the CJS deals with this sort of thing regularly so it’s not a ‘get out of jail free card’.
In terms of disability / MH issues etc, the CJS deals with this sort of thing regularly so it’s not a ‘get out of jail free card’.
La Liga said:
Top double standards from Yonex. Spends pages in the boxing thread slating AJ after he won his world titles back, but is furious with anyone doing to same thing to his apparent man-crush!
In terms of disability / MH issues etc, the CJS deals with this sort of thing regularly so it’s not a ‘get out of jail free card’.
Classic PH.In terms of disability / MH issues etc, the CJS deals with this sort of thing regularly so it’s not a ‘get out of jail free card’.
Care to explain the tenuous link between Guy Martin and AJ? Not to derail this thread, wasting time on that BS but the latest news is AJ believes he may give up a belt next year. Wonder who said that?
Now.
‘Furious with anyone doing to same thing’
Ignoring the obvious, I never said AJ was ‘anything’ personally, but was critical of his one dimensional Vlad boxing that got you so very excited and his inability to put away a boxer clearly out of shape.
It’s obvious at least one has a sore head about Guy Martin, I don’t. Wasn’t it you that played the racist card and had your post deleted by the mods? That’s the level I guess, when daring to criticise
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 27th December 13:28
Lord Marylebone said:
Essentially, he did what he was accused of, but the CPS decided that his disability meant that he possibly didn’t know it was wrong.
I think it's subtly different from that. From the brief information appearing online, I'd guess he did a course in Ireland, which the people running it said would result in an Irish HGV licence.
Having completed the course and received the Irish HGV 'licence', he's submitted it to the DVLA, who I presume have a reciprocal arrangement with Eire to allow UK licence holders to transfer Eire entitlements to their UK one.
He was charged with intentionally trying to deceive the DVLA.
I presume his defence was that he didn't know the licence was a fake and therefore he could not have intentionally been dishonest.
Again, presuming from what's online, when he told the Police the story of how he gained the Eire licence, they thought nobody could be so daft as to get fooled into thinking they were attending a genuine course to get a genuine licence. The CPS agreed and therefore the charge proceeded.
The defence and prosecution then agreed expert, independent medical witnesses who concurred that, because of his mental condition, it was perfectly possible that he could have believed it was a genuine licence, whereas people without it probably would not.
Two concurring independent medical experts saying he could have been fooled leaves it very difficult for the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he intentionally set out to deceive the DVLA, hence them offering no evidence and the court imposing not guilty.
Some generalising and presumption on the detail above, but that sounds about the gist of it.
janesmith1950 said:
Lord Marylebone said:
Essentially, he did what he was accused of, but the CPS decided that his disability meant that he possibly didn’t know it was wrong.
I think it's subtly different from that. From the brief information appearing online, I'd guess he did a course in Ireland, which the people running it said would result in an Irish HGV licence.
Having completed the course and received the Irish HGV 'licence', he's submitted it to the DVLA, who I presume have a reciprocal arrangement with Eire to allow UK licence holders to transfer Eire entitlements to their UK one.
He was charged with intentionally trying to deceive the DVLA.
I presume his defence was that he didn't know the licence was a fake and therefore he could not have intentionally been dishonest.
Again, presuming from what's online, when he told the Police the story of how he gained the Eire licence, they thought nobody could be so daft as to get fooled into thinking they were attending a genuine course to get a genuine licence. The CPS agreed and therefore the charge proceeded.
The defence and prosecution then agreed expert, independent medical witnesses who concurred that, because of his mental condition, it was perfectly possible that he could have believed it was a genuine licence, whereas people without it probably would not.
Two concurring independent medical experts saying he could have been fooled leaves it very difficult for the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he intentionally set out to deceive the DVLA, hence them offering no evidence and the court imposing not guilty.
Some generalising and presumption on the detail above, but that sounds about the gist of it.
I guess we will simply never know the important part: Did he know it was a bogus test/licence? Or did he genuinely think it was real?
yonex said:
Care to explain the tenuous link between Guy Martin and AJ? Not to derail this thread, wasting time on that BS but the latest news is AJ believes he may give up a belt next year. Wonder who said that?
There isn't one. Re-read the post to get the point. yonex said:
Wasn’t it you that played the racist card and had your post deleted by the mods? That’s the level I guess, when daring to criticise
No it wasn't. This has made today a great day for me
Guy Martin. like him, love him or loathe him is a very talented person that is not short of a few bob
There is no way that he needed to break any laws to acquire an HGV driving licence
Mistakes have been made and there are possible reasons as to how they were made
This case should have been closed sooner, what a waste of money
Common sense wins the day, bit late though
Guy Martin. like him, love him or loathe him is a very talented person that is not short of a few bob
There is no way that he needed to break any laws to acquire an HGV driving licence
Mistakes have been made and there are possible reasons as to how they were made
This case should have been closed sooner, what a waste of money
Common sense wins the day, bit late though
Lord Marylebone said:
V8covin said:
Did he take a hgv test ?
He'll know the answer
Did he pass or fail ?
He'll know the answer.
Therefore he would know whether he has a genuine or fake licence
From reading the information available:He'll know the answer
Did he pass or fail ?
He'll know the answer.
Therefore he would know whether he has a genuine or fake licence
He ‘thinks’ or ‘believes’ that he took a HGV test in Northern Ireland, at some point, while working there.
There are no records of him ever taking any HGV tests or passing any tests in either Northern Ireland or Ireland.
He was then ‘presented with’ a fake Irish HGV licence (not Northern Irish).
He then submitted the fake Irish licence along with his real UK licence to the DVLA in order to have the fake Irish HGV entitlements added to his UK licence.
The prosecution said:
“When he was interviewed the defendant gave an explanation that at first blush seemed hard to accept.”
His solicitor told the court:
“I say nothing about the facts as instructed to do so”
Essentially, he did what he was accused of, but the CPS decided that his disability meant that he possibly didn’t know it was wrong.
I know quite a few people with varying degrees of Aspergers and they could definitely be fooled in that way if there wasn't anybody around to tell them it was not right, they do tend to believe things said to them and trust people implicitly if they like them.
Also as mentioned, in an edited TV programme it's impossible to say "that person isn't on the spectrum" since in the higher-functioning people it's only through conversation and interaction that you can get a feeling of it. I do know a couple of people who in a few sentences you can definitely tell, but Guy Martin is not that type.
We will never really know unless he does another autobiography. I would suspect he has some form of HGV licence but not class one. He goes to Ireland does a course honestly believing it to be genuine, other wise why would he send it to the DVLA to have it added to his UK one?
It always sounded fishy but sometimes people are stupid and do hear what they want to. For example I was on a course for Forklift trucks and a young man from Africa passed and then asked could he drive any FLT. the instructors said yes, the man heard he could now work on the docks with containers etc, he could not of course as that is a different type of lifter
Once again it is either the Police saw a celebrity scalp wrongly or top lawyers are worth their money
It always sounded fishy but sometimes people are stupid and do hear what they want to. For example I was on a course for Forklift trucks and a young man from Africa passed and then asked could he drive any FLT. the instructors said yes, the man heard he could now work on the docks with containers etc, he could not of course as that is a different type of lifter
Once again it is either the Police saw a celebrity scalp wrongly or top lawyers are worth their money
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