Triple child killer cleared for release

[Red 4]

Rovinghawk said:

Red 4 said:

I did show you to be a liar on another thread recently and you scarpered very quickly.

bks- you made an untrue claim, repeated it a few times & accused me of lying when I disputed it.

I imagine you to be the type to alter witness statements, obtain false or duressed statements & attend regular falling-down-stairs incidents. You are the type to give your colleagues a bad name.

As I said, good day to you, sir.

bks ? Really ?

It was The Thwaites Brewery Travellers thread - you know the one.

The thread when you went running to the mods because Greendubber called you by your real first name.

You then denied ever revealing your name on this website.

You were then asked how Greendubber knew your first name ...

You were absolutely stumped and ran away

Would you like me to tell everyone your real first name - because I saw it on your profile ages ago.

You little whinger/ grass/ liar/ Muppet ....

[Red 4]

Rovinghawk said:

Ex mil but because I declined to furnish Red 4 exact details he's decided I'm claiming a secret squirrel background

Strike two ... The lies and obfuscation continue

I've never claimed anything of the sort.

Many seem to think you were a cook or general dogsbody although you completely clam up when asked.

I prefer Walt.

Edited by Red 4 on Friday 7th December 18:10

[anonymous-user]

Rovinghawk said:

As you've asked in a civil manner I will respond accordingly:

Ex mil but because I declined to furnish Red 4 exact details he's decided I'm claiming a secret squirrel background

Ta

I hold a view that the military trains and conditions people to doing things which are out of the ordinary versus normal life. This of course in context is a good thing given what the military’s primary roles are.

If you have been involved in such situations then whilst I don’t agree with your belief that many people can be encouraged/trained to take a life in a detached fashion (nor that they don’t dwell on the consequences) I better understand where it comes from.

[Rovinghawk]

Red 4 said:

bks ? Really ?

It was The Thwaites Brewery Travellers thread - you know the one.

The thread when you went running to the mods because Greendubber called you by your real first name.

You then denied ever revealing your name on this website.

You were then asked how Greendubber knew your first name ...

You were absolutely stumped and ran away

Would you like me to tell everyone your real first name - because I saw it on your profile ages ago.

You little whinger/ grass/ liar/ Muppet ....

Let me make it plain.

I have never put my name on this or any other forum. You did not see it there. I presume you saw it when GDubber posted it.

GDubber got my name by private sleuthing & whinged that he got a ban for doing so, stating that the forum rules were unimportant to him. You can check this by reading the relevant thread.

You decided I'd deleted my name, repeated that assertion until such time as you believed it to be true then called me a liar when I disputed the statement.

[Rovinghawk]

Brooking10 said:

whilst I don’t agree with your belief that many people can be encouraged/trained to take a life in a detached fashion (nor that they don’t dwell on the consequences) I better understand where it comes from.

That wasn't actually what I was suggesting. My opinion is that the inner savage lies relatively shallow in a large proportion of people and needs little to bring it to the surface. I further believe that it can be unearthed not just through anger but by necessity or a consideration that it's in best interests.

How many evil gits didn't realise how bad they were? At the risk of Godwin's law I give you Mr Hitler as a prime example.

[Red 4]

Rovinghawk said:

et me make it plain.

I have never put my name on this or any other forum. You did not see it there. I presume you saw it when GDubber posted it.

GDubber got my name by private sleuthing & whinged that he got a ban for doing so, stating that the forum rules were unimportant to him. You can check this by reading the relevant thread.

You decided I'd deleted my name, repeated that assertion until such time as you believed it to be true then called me a liar when I disputed the statement.

Firstly, Greendubber was not banned.

Secondly, do you really think he would bothered to "private sleuth" you.

Thirdly, even if he tried what do you think he'd find ? Nothing, probably.
More so if you had never published any private/ personal details on this forum.

You are comedy gold.

Keep 'em coming in true Walt fashion.

Private sleuthing ....... What a Muppet

For the sake of clarity I saw your first name on your profile years ago ... So there you go.

You are a liar.

And not a very good one.

Edited by Red 4 on Friday 7th December 18:25

[Rovinghawk]

Whatever.

[Red 4]

Rovinghawk said:

Whatever.

Would you like me to mention the donation to The Air Ambulance you promised to make if you were shown to be in error about something a couple of years ago ?

Oops ... It looks like I have.

You were shown to be in error but wriggled, twisted and turned and dug yourself an even deeper hole

Shame that. It is a very good cause and they are grateful for any donations, no matter how small .... But you welched on the deal.

It shows what you are though ... Zero credibility.

You'll forgive me if I don't believe a word you say.

Edited by Red 4 on Friday 7th December 18:37

[anonymous-user]

Rovinghawk said:

That wasn't actually what I was suggesting. My opinion is that the inner savage lies relatively shallow in a large proportion of people and needs little to bring it to the surface. I further believe that it can be unearthed not just through anger but by necessity or a consideration that it's in best interests.

How many evil gits didn't realise how bad they were? At the risk of Godwin's law I give you Mr Hitler as a prime example.

I fear you are in danger of making the argument somewhat circular and proving the hypothesis that a few people , me included, have put forward, namely that the people who want to flick he switch, wield the sword, fire up the wood chipper are as ducked up as the person they wish to visit retribution upon !

[Penelope Stopit]

Brooking10 said:

Would you do it ?

By which I mean would you do whatever the thing was that caused a person to die by way of punishment ? Wield sword, flick switch, administer injection etc ?

Edited to add not specifically in this case but in general ?

No, there is no way I could do such a thing

[anonymous-user]

gooner1 said:

La Liga said:

You could probably just get people from abroad who’ve done it. Not that it’s relevant as I don’t think we’ll ever see the death penalty here again.

I wonder if the PH ban hammer has been out...

If it has hopefully it's for the relevant persons own sake.

He's probably the most stupid person I’ve seen on PH in the time I’ve been here. Having said that he genuinely came across as having some issues.

Can you imagine how angry he’s getting being able to browse this topic but not reply?

He’s probably trying to figure out how to make a new email address to rejoin, as he’s likely used his NTL one he got in 1992.

[Red 4]

La Liga said:

He's probably the most stupid person I’ve seen on PH in the time I’ve been here. Having said that he genuinely came across as having some issues.

Nah.

See above.

[Rovinghawk]

Brooking10 said:

I fear you are in danger of making the argument somewhat circular and proving the hypothesis that a few people , me included, have put forward, namely that the people who want to flick he switch, wield the sword, fire up the wood chipper are as ducked up as the person they wish to visit retribution upon !

I appreciate your point. OTOH I'm suggesting people's ability to do it in cold blood rather than anger, regretting the necessity but nevertheless accepting it.

[anonymous-user]

Penelope Stopit said:

Brooking10 said:

Would you do it ?

By which I mean would you do whatever the thing was that caused a person to die by way of punishment ? Wield sword, flick switch, administer injection etc ?

Edited to add not specifically in this case but in general ?

No, there is no way I could do such a thing

Thanks for responding.

It’s a big question that’s for sure.

[Rovinghawk]

Brooking10 said:

Thanks for responding.

It’s a big question that’s for sure.

Here's an alternative big question: on a visit to Auschwitz it was pointed out that prisoners could avoid the whip (etc) by themselves becoming a trusty and wielding the whip. My friend & I wondered whether we'd have the principles to refuse or the pragmatism to realise it would happen anyway & we might as well not be the victim- the conclusion was uncomfortable.

[anonymous-user]

Rovinghawk said:

Brooking10 said:

I fear you are in danger of making the argument somewhat circular and proving the hypothesis that a few people , me included, have put forward, namely that the people who want to flick he switch, wield the sword, fire up the wood chipper are as ducked up as the person they wish to visit retribution upon !

I appreciate your point. OTOH I'm suggesting people's ability to do it in cold blood rather than anger, regretting the necessity but nevertheless accepting it.

I’m afraid I just don’t buy that.

I can’t prove it I know but I just don’t buy it.

The pool of people who would willingly choose to do that as part of their employment as opposed to responding to a one off situation is, I hope, a small one.

[Rovinghawk]

Brooking10 said:

I’m afraid I just don’t buy that.

I can’t prove it I know but I just don’t buy it.

The pool of people who would willingly choose to do that as part of their employment as opposed to responding to a one off situation is, I hope, a small one.

I give you the generally decent people of Germany before 1939 & what they became in the subsequent few years.

[anonymous-user]

Rovinghawk said:

I give you the generally decent people of Germany before 1939 & what they became in the subsequent few years.

You’re going to have to expand upon that because I am struggling to make the link

[Penelope Stopit]

Brooking10 said:

Penelope Stopit said:

Brooking10 said:

Would you do it ?

By which I mean would you do whatever the thing was that caused a person to die by way of punishment ? Wield sword, flick switch, administer injection etc ?

Edited to add not specifically in this case but in general ?

No, there is no way I could do such a thing

Thanks for responding.

It’s a big question that’s for sure.

Well you certainly put me on the spot
If it was up to me I would be happy for the man to remain and die in jail
Due to the crazy justice system that allows people like this man back into a society that doesn't want them, a death sentence would solve the problem but create many other problems
I hope that someone somewhere looks very hard at what is happening and stops the release of this man

[Penelope Stopit]

Brooking10 said:

Rovinghawk said:

I give you the generally decent people of Germany before 1939 & what they became in the subsequent few years.

You’re going to have to expand upon that because I am struggling to make the link

The fact that educated people could gather around a table and discuss the termination of millions of people.....is possibly what's meant above
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference

There's a good frightening book out there somewhere all about it, I think it's called the meeting but am not 100% on this