45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 8)

[Down and out]

Seventy said:

you're a card.
One day you'll form a paragraph.

Nah.

[Eric Mc]

Jimbeaux said:

Eric Mc said:

What's burning all around us?

We are going through change, that's all. We're Brits - we can cope.

I’m certain you can Eric.

I'm sure you've seen the t-shirts -



It's part of the psyche of these islands.

[Lazermilk]

Jimbeaux said:

walm said:

Jimbeaux said:

Do you have a comment regarding the main topic of the Harvard study, that the media are biased? Are you just going to omit the heart of the main topic?

Your straw man is transparent.

No one is arguing that the media isn't biased.
You just came up with that on your own.
Everyone accepts the media is biased.

Why don't you come up with evidence to support actual arguments here, not ones you made up.

God give me strength. My point is that if facts are overwhelming reported in a manner biased against Trump, as the Harvard study indicated, it is not logical to assume that people are reaching erroneous conclusions due to erroneous or unethical reporting.

How do you view trumps media bashing and cries of 'fake news' when it clearly isn't fake? Is that ok with you?
His constant lies he spouts are also ok?

[Lazermilk]

Escapegoat said:

andyeds1234 said:

Jimbeaux said:

Look fellows, the point I am trying to make is that you are all basing your arguments upon the same sources of facts, facts that the study clearly stated was biased against Trump. Many of your concerns are correct, I am merely pointing out you may have skewed data. Not simply biased toward the negative only, but Trump as well. You are building some of these things while feeding from a bent trough. If you don't like it, take it up with Harvard.

Now, work beckons. You evening shift folks can slice and dice in myopic bliss. Have a good evening gentlemen (and any ladies present) and a better morning.

Again.... the study does not state the coverage is biased, just that it is negative.
More often than not, the data is accurate, and the media correctly reports it in a negative manner.

The primary source of my Trump data comes straight from the mouth of Trump himself, and it doesn’t take much more than that to form a valid opinion of him, and his intentions.

This.

+1

Doesn't take much to see what kind of guy he is, just spend a few minutes on his twitter or try to listen to his rallies and it is easy to see, assuming you can understand wtf he is on about half the time between the rambling...

[Down and out]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

No one says "You Must" support our troops and they certainly don't have any choice in where they're deployed but I'm sure you'd be the first to dive behind them if the st hit the fan here. Majorly underpaid for the risks they're willing to take.

[Lazermilk]

Jimbeaux said:

unrepentant said:

Mike Milken pardoned now! King of the junk bonds and prolific insider trader.

Hang in there Bernie Madoff. You could be next!

Drain the swamp!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-pardo...

He was released 27 years ago after a 22 month sentence. You post this as if he was still locked up.

From your link:

“In fact, one of the lead prosecutors later admitted that Mr. Milken had been charged with numerous technical offenses and regulatory violations that had never before been charged as crimes,”

He violated Exchange Security laws. Jailed for 22 months and paid a $600,000,000 fine. Since his release in 1993 he has given more than $80,000,000 to cancer research and other charitable causes. He is 73.

Now Madoff took ordinary peoples' savings and ruined many. If he is pardoned, I will vote against Trump myself.

Now, the prison reform act Trump led and signed (praised in bipartisan fashion) has released to date 3100 federal prisoners of varying crimes; perhaps you want to check on them as well.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 18th February 21:28

So that's your red line? Not any of the other things hes done or said?

[AW111]

Is this the Trump thread or the Jimbeaux thread?

I'm much more interested in what Trump's up to. (Sorry Jim).

[Carl_Manchester]

AW111 said:

Is this the Trump thread or the Jimbeaux thread?

I'm much more interested in what Trump's up to. (Sorry Jim).

Not much news expected until Friday when Trump goes to Troll the Democratic Caucus in Nevada.

[Challo]

Carl_Manchester said:

AW111 said:

Is this the Trump thread or the Jimbeaux thread?

I'm much more interested in what Trump's up to. (Sorry Jim).

Not much news expected until Friday when Trump goes to Troll the Democratic Caucus in Nevada.

Stone gets sentenced on Thursday I think. Will Trump come out and just pardon him.

[andyeds1234]

Jimbeaux said:

You lot are hilariously obsessive. Sitting in a corner of your island groveling in a briar patch picking any and all berries related whatsoever to Trump, Trump, Trump while Rome is burning all around you.
I wish you all very good luck with Post Brexit realignment, I truly do. I for one believe it will turn out fine. As a matter of fact, I’m spending more time on the E.U. Negotiations thread, whilst you lot toil on a Trump thread. Now there is a bit of irony for both of us. Have a good afternoon

Yeah, but Hilary...
If in doubt point out a squirrel.

Edited by andyeds1234 on Wednesday 19th February 14:18

[Tartan Pixie]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Yes, I'm searching for understanding so it's rationalisation after the fact. Makes it all the more interesting to hear other people's thoughts

Whatever influence modern communications are having on our brains we are at the beginning of a process that still has a long way to run. The Atlantic article we were discussing a couple of weeks ago says Parscale's got a billion dollar budget behind him and the apparent success of companies like Cambridge Analytica mean you can bet that people are investing huge amounts in to further manipulating the situation, and that's before we even start to talk about input from Russia, China and Israel.

If we look backwards then Niall Ferguson makes a compelling case that humans have always been highly influenced by networks. Looking forwards, given the amount of research going in to AI I think it's fair to say that we are likely to see an intelligence smarter than baseline humans within a few decades, potentially an intelligence that can manipulate a human as easily as we might manipulate a dog.

Given that context I think that in the present Trump and the American elections give us the best window in to where we are on this timeline, in part because Trump is so heavily invested in riding this wave of ideological divide and in part because Americans are really good at publishing statistics.

[unrepentant]

Al Gorithum said:

Jimbeaux said:

It is not Whataboutery when millions lost the plans they wanted to keep.

Sorry Sir, but it very much IS whataboutery because this thread is about Trump.

The whole concept of people "losing their plan" is BS anyway. The vast majority of people get their healthcare through their employer. They don't "choose" their healthcare, their employer does. "Millions of people" did not lose the plans they wanted to keep. It's absolute tosh. If your plan was with Anthem or United Healthcare or whoever before the ACA it was with them afterwards. If your doctor was in network before he was afterwards.

More GOP BS from JimCrow.

[Tallow]

unrepentant said:

The whole concept of people "losing their plan" is BS anyway. The vast majority of people get their healthcare through their employer. They don't "choose" their healthcare, their employer does. "Millions of people" did not lose the plans they wanted to keep. It's absolute tosh. If your plan was with Anthem or United Healthcare or whoever before the ACA it was with them afterwards. If your doctor was in network before he was afterwards.

I think that the thing of "wanting to keep" their plans for a lot of people is more of a case of "wanting to have" their plans and not lose them (like the window of non-coverage a lot of people face when they change jobs). That combined with people wanting to know it's not going to cost them more.

My insurance comes from being a spouse on my partner's insurance. As you rightly say, it'll be a different insurance provider if they decide to switch of if she changes employer. I see my doctor for about 10 minutes a year given that most of the actual work in American hospitals is done by nurse practicioners and the like.

I suspect as you've correctly identified the real concerns people have about substantial change is loss of coverage, decrease in care quality, increase in out of pocket costs or a combination of all three. People fear change and it's easy to assume that any of these could happen if you're in a state of fear.

To be fair to Jim, I do think it would be nigh on impossible to implement an NHS type of system in the US given the sheer size and scale of private infrastructure that already exists.

The UK is extremely lucky to have the NHS. I prefer it infinitely to the US model.

[kowalski655]

i posted the factcheck link yesterday on p.9 about so called "losing their plan", nowhere near as bad as portrayed by the GOP & he insurance industry
(I also asked a couple of questions of JB but they have been missed/ignored)

[Byker28i]

Trump lied again.

Fact check on Trump's tweets: "Trump repeated his claim that FBI Director James Comey was involved in Blagojevich's prosecution ... Comey did not take over at the FBI until years after the Blagojevich case."

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4795220002

[Byker28i]

A lawyer for Julian Assange has claimed in court that President Trump offered to pardon Assange if the WikiLeaks founder agreed to help cover up Russia’s involvement in hacking emails from the Democratic National Committee.

Assange’s lawyers said on Wednesday that former Republican congressman Dana Rohrabacher offered Assange the deal in 2017, a year after emails that damaged Hillary Clinton in the presidential race had been published. WikiLeaks posted the stolen DNC emails after they were hacked by Russian operatives.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-offered-assang...


Grisham offers the coffee boy excuse: “The President barely knows Dana Rohrabacher other than he’s an ex-congressman. He’s never spoken to him on this subject or almost any subject. It is a complete fabrication and a total lie. This is probably another never ending hoax and total lie from the DNC"

Such a lazy excuse, easily proven as a lie, i.e.
Trump had Rohrabacher over to the Oval Office for a meeting in April 2017. Trump reportedly asked for the meeting after seeing Rohrabacher talk Trump/Russia on Fox, with the meeting lasting 45 minutes, Priebus and Bannon were there
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/04/politics/donald...
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/dana-rohrab...

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 19th February 20:25

[Byker28i]

Grifters gotta grift.

"Also among those who backed Mr. Milken's pardon is Nelson Peltz, CEO and founding partner of Trian Fund Management, according to the White House. Mr. Peltz threw a fundraiser Saturday for Mr. Trump at his Florida home that raised more than $10 million for the president's re-election campaign."
https://www.pionline.com/washington/trump-pardons-...

selling the presidency for personal profit...

Well it helps to pay for Cambridge Analytica 2
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/19/trump-cam...

[Byker28i]

Senators Whitehouse and Feinstein have written to Inspector General Horowitz to remind him he still has an open investigation into Giuliani's contacts with the NY FBI office in 2016, they were leaking to him and hence the trump campaign.
They've asked the IG expand that probe to include his contacts with DOJ

https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/02...

The letter is also signed by Senators Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Dick Durbin, Patrick Leahy, Amy Klobuchar, Chris Coons, Richard Blumenthal and Mazie Hirono.

Isn't it amazing that there was a prompt release of the part of the IG report that supported Trump’s narrative, but the IG investigation into Giuliani’s role into the leaks that led Comey to announce he was reopening the investigations into Clinton, that ultimately killed Clinton’s chance, still hasn't happened.

[Byker28i]

Remember: Grisham offers the coffee boy excuse: “The President barely knows Dana Rohrabacher other than he’s an ex-congressman. He’s never spoken to him on this subject or almost any subject. It is a complete fabrication and a total lie. This is probably another never ending hoax and total lie from the DNC"

Rohrabacher went on TV and said in September 2017 that he was engaged in a "confidential interaction" with the WH on a pardon for Assange.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/video/3731570-rohr...

[Byker28i]

Pete Buttigieg slams Trump: My marriage never involved sending 'hush money to a porn star'

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/18/politics/pete-b...