George Galloway back in Parliment
Discussion
Wombat3 said:
By way of example, there are Muslim community and religious leaders actively advocating for the adoption of some aspects of Sharia law into the UK. Its unlikely to happen but the fact that they think that's a reasonable thing to do in an adopted country demonstrates as above. They did not come to live in Britain to adopt the existing culture.
Do you have some examples of this please?reddiesel said:
We have the main Political Parties adopting only Muslim Candidates to fight mainly Muslim Constituencies and you see that as a triumph for multi culturalism as assimilation has clearly happened ?? You are talking utter nonsense . Surely the real triumph of assimilation would be if the main Parties could select a Homosexual to fight Bradford which of course would never happen .
The ethnic Vote is simply being pandered to in order to attempt and keep them onside . We don't have to pretend there are some fundamental cultural problems because there are plenty of examples and of course some successes .
"We need MPs more representative of the constituencies they represent"The ethnic Vote is simply being pandered to in order to attempt and keep them onside . We don't have to pretend there are some fundamental cultural problems because there are plenty of examples and of course some successes .
Edited by reddiesel on Sunday 3rd March 06:29
"No not like that!!"
Electro1980 said:
Your complaint is that people often vote for representatives that are like them? That’s not pandering, that’s representative democracy. Do you have the same issue with rural areas being represented by middle class white people? You’re trying to dress up racism as a legitimate concern about representation and failing. Especially ridiculous when the area we are talking about just voted for a white Christian man.
I think you need to read what is written . I am simply questioning how the Poster thinks that assimilation is a success in this Country based on the election of some candidates selected purely on the basis of their ethnicity in order to win these constituencies . Surely if we selected a Gay man to fight Bradford and he won that would be a better indication of assimilation of the ethnic minorities into this Country than his assertion ?Once again we have the the term Racist introduced in order to smear anyone questioning the status quo , if you had any decency you would be apologising for that insinuation .
As regards the election of Galloway , I consider that simply a fluke and its my contention it won't be replicated
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: "We need MPs more representative of the constituencies they represent"
"No not like that!!"
The Labour Party became a cropper with that one . I think for many Muslims there can be a disconnection between Politics and Religion a bit like Catholics and representing Parties that are Pro Abortion . I don't criticise anyones beliefs but for Starmer , Labour and what unfolded in Rochdale , that must be a nightmare and it cant be managed . In this case we had the apology but the damage is long done ."No not like that!!"
An interesting thing is this Anti Semitism , its real extent as opposed to simply being Anti Israeli Government Actions . Clearly largely on account of rampant Immigration the Country is changing . The interesting aspect is Sunaks labelling of this as Extremism when for many its simply the Representative Democracy our friend above introduces kindly introduces into our Thread
Countdown said:
There are Muslim candidates in constituencies which don’t have significant Muslim voters and vice versa. Gerald Kaufman represented Longsight in Manchester for years. George Galloway has just beaten a Muslim candidate in Rochdale. Bradford had a Sikh MP until he died. Muslims like any other demographic will vote for the candidate they think best represents what they want not just because they happen to be “Muslim “
Well what they clearly wanted in Rochdale was an end to hostilities in Gaza and the condemnation of the actions of the Israeli Government . The Muslim Candidate wanted to articulate that on behalf of the Electorate but couldn't under a Labour Banner which is why I think Galloway isn't possibly the best example nor is any Sikh . I certainly take your point about People voting for the Candidate that represents them but I have a genuine issue with this foisting of Candidates onto Constituency Parties and its not only Muslim Candidates . Representative Democracy or Tokenism its certainly not a Meritocracy and when in the case of Rochdale it becomes a one issue Election I worry about that . 
I was in my local last night and the only interesting question being asked is what’s going to happen at the GE. Normally one would think that the Labour candidate would wipe the floor with Galloway - his vote was based on mobilising the Muslims in the main. Labour voters appeared to have largely stayed away. There were a few that would not normally vote Labour who did so on a “keep Galloway out” basis - clearly I read the room wrongly on that one.
The surprise was the local independent, Tully. There was a lot of “I’d have actually voted for him if I’d known he was going to do that well”. After this debacle I suspect a high turnout at the GE. Galloway will probably poll similar as the same bloc will vote for him, but could the independent get in on the basis of the middle classes turning out to vote next time?
The surprise was the local independent, Tully. There was a lot of “I’d have actually voted for him if I’d known he was going to do that well”. After this debacle I suspect a high turnout at the GE. Galloway will probably poll similar as the same bloc will vote for him, but could the independent get in on the basis of the middle classes turning out to vote next time?
It’s fascinating stuff. I think Sir Kier and Co. are probably locked away as we speak, wargaming what’s possible.
What if another Galloway type pops up in similar seats and absolutely majors on the Palestine situation?
Freed of any kind of party responsibility to keep their language and promises in order, could an independent achieve another upset?
For Rochdale, I think those that sat out the by-election will have been shocked into action for the GE and get Galloway out. But the candidate who came second might win it!
What if another Galloway type pops up in similar seats and absolutely majors on the Palestine situation?
Freed of any kind of party responsibility to keep their language and promises in order, could an independent achieve another upset?
For Rochdale, I think those that sat out the by-election will have been shocked into action for the GE and get Galloway out. But the candidate who came second might win it!
swisstoni said:
It’s fascinating stuff. I think Sir Kier and Co. are probably locked away as we speak, wargaming what’s possible.
What if another Galloway type pops up in similar seats and absolutely majors on the Palestine situation?
Freed of any kind of party responsibility to keep their language and promises in order, could an independent achieve another upset?
For Rochdale, I think those that sat out the by-election will have been shocked into action for the GE and get Galloway out. But the candidate who came second might win it!
I don’t think Galloway would have got in - in Rochdale at any rate - had Labour fielded a candidate. Despite the image portrayed in the press - Galloway might get in in Bradford or Luton, but he got very very lucky here. What if another Galloway type pops up in similar seats and absolutely majors on the Palestine situation?
Freed of any kind of party responsibility to keep their language and promises in order, could an independent achieve another upset?
For Rochdale, I think those that sat out the by-election will have been shocked into action for the GE and get Galloway out. But the candidate who came second might win it!
Tully might now be on a roll and his result was a real surprise. It’ll be interesting for sure.
hidetheelephants said:
Wombat3 said:
By way of example, there are Muslim community and religious leaders actively advocating for the adoption of some aspects of Sharia law into the UK. Its unlikely to happen but the fact that they think that's a reasonable thing to do in an adopted country demonstrates as above. They did not come to live in Britain to adopt the existing culture.
There are people who advocate vociferously for Freeman on the land wibble and for the Ministry of Defence to actively look for UFOs; that's as likely to get support in parliament. People lobby for all sorts of wackadoodle nonsense.Dog Star said:
I don’t think Galloway would have got in - in Rochdale at any rate - had Labour fielded a candidate. Despite the image portrayed in the press - Galloway might get in in Bradford or Luton, but he got very very lucky here.
Tully might now be on a roll and his result was a real surprise. It’ll be interesting for sure.
I think that's fair from what I've seen and read.Tully might now be on a roll and his result was a real surprise. It’ll be interesting for sure.
No idea about Tully but assuming he's just a normal local independent it's good to see that happening but I'm also doubtful what happened in Rochdale will translate into a General Election.
Circumstances basically.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Wombat3 said:
By way of example, there are Muslim community and religious leaders actively advocating for the adoption of some aspects of Sharia law into the UK. Its unlikely to happen but the fact that they think that's a reasonable thing to do in an adopted country demonstrates as above. They did not come to live in Britain to adopt the existing culture.
Do you have some examples of this please?We have one law.
Are religious "councils" in making decisions that followers of that religion might choose to follow unique to one religion?
I'd be concerned if people feel they don't have a choice as that's clearly quite wrong.
I suppose I'm struggling a bit with the idea that you or I are free to campaign for changes to our laws, political parties do it all the time, so why single out one group?
Also what's with the "an adopted country" comment? If you're born in Birmingham and you've lived here your entire life is this really "an adopted country"?
Are religious "councils" in making decisions that followers of that religion might choose to follow unique to one religion?
I'd be concerned if people feel they don't have a choice as that's clearly quite wrong.
I suppose I'm struggling a bit with the idea that you or I are free to campaign for changes to our laws, political parties do it all the time, so why single out one group?
Also what's with the "an adopted country" comment? If you're born in Birmingham and you've lived here your entire life is this really "an adopted country"?
Vanden Saab said:
hidetheelephants said:
Wombat3 said:
By way of example, there are Muslim community and religious leaders actively advocating for the adoption of some aspects of Sharia law into the UK. Its unlikely to happen but the fact that they think that's a reasonable thing to do in an adopted country demonstrates as above. They did not come to live in Britain to adopt the existing culture.
There are people who advocate vociferously for Freeman on the land wibble and for the Ministry of Defence to actively look for UFOs; that's as likely to get support in parliament. People lobby for all sorts of wackadoodle nonsense.lornemalvo said:
Well said Vandensaab. There are thought to be 80 plus sharia councils in the UK and at least 40% of young Muslims are in favour of sharia law. Islamic moneylenders will only lend money under sharia law, in which no interest is charged, but profits are made in other ways. This is thought to be fairly common, no idea whether they come under FSA legislation.
Given how many majority- Muslim countries have full on 100% sharia I doubt it’s likely to be implemented in the UK. Re: sharia-compliant money lending as long as it doesn’t contravene UK laws I don’t see what the issue is.lornemalvo said:
Well said Vandensaab. There are thought to be 80 plus sharia councils in the UK and at least 40% of young Muslims are in favour of sharia law. Islamic moneylenders will only lend money under sharia law, in which no interest is charged, but profits are made in other ways. This is thought to be fairly common, no idea whether they come under FSA legislation.
Well as HSBC among others offer sharia compliant mortgage products I’m guessing that the FSA are onboard with it.History since Ancient Greek times shows us that all democracies end. Britain's being the oldest and one of the most progressive is different to others in that we do not have written constitution and our civil servants and MPs are expected to fall on their swords when they make a serious error. This doesn't happen any more and I can see more and more independent candidates winning seats where their own interests and beliefs are aligned with the local demographic.. GG has got its wrong in the past but he called Iraq war perfectly and was vociferous. Its a shame our two party system can not deal with mavericks on both the right and the left. Outliers and visionaries with charisma deserve a place in politics whether we agree with their views or not. The two party system in UK is bust and devoid of any new ideas other than being slaves to the party whip.
Dog Star said:
I was in my local last night and the only interesting question being asked is what’s going to happen at the GE. Normally one would think that the Labour candidate would wipe the floor with Galloway - his vote was based on mobilising the Muslims in the main. Labour voters appeared to have largely stayed away. There were a few that would not normally vote Labour who did so on a “keep Galloway out” basis - clearly I read the room wrongly on that one.
The surprise was the local independent, Tully. There was a lot of “I’d have actually voted for him if I’d known he was going to do that well”. After this debacle I suspect a high turnout at the GE. Galloway will probably poll similar as the same bloc will vote for him, but could the independent get in on the basis of the middle classes turning out to vote next time?
I was in my local and nobody discusses politics openlyThe surprise was the local independent, Tully. There was a lot of “I’d have actually voted for him if I’d known he was going to do that well”. After this debacle I suspect a high turnout at the GE. Galloway will probably poll similar as the same bloc will vote for him, but could the independent get in on the basis of the middle classes turning out to vote next time?
This is why I feel I should integrate into your world Mr Star. We have a few things in common as it is
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