Scotland after the vote
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I was born in a small country that went for independence. It's still here. It's called Singapore. At first it shared the currency until it's own became more valuable than it's mother country, then it split. It even shared the National Airline. Malaysian Singapore Airlines became Singapore International Airlines and Malaysian Airline System. Singapore has no natural resources at all. Malaysia has plenty. Imagine if Scotland tried the same.
cymtriks said:
What are companies and individuals so afraid of?
There are a few smaller countries than Scotland that manage their own affairs so it can be done. Any change won't be instant, in the event of a "Yes" vote the next step will be a several year long plan to put all the necessary things in place.
Any new government will have to face reality, if they make life too hard for the companies they depend on for tax and employment those companies will go elsewhere. So will people.
the total lack of plan, the hatred spilling from team yes, the promise of higher spending (taxes) and i can't imagine the promise to nationalise BP will be helping muchThere are a few smaller countries than Scotland that manage their own affairs so it can be done. Any change won't be instant, in the event of a "Yes" vote the next step will be a several year long plan to put all the necessary things in place.
Any new government will have to face reality, if they make life too hard for the companies they depend on for tax and employment those companies will go elsewhere. So will people.
Tunku said:
I was born in a small country that went for independence. It's still here. It's called Singapore. At first it shared the currency until it's own became more valuable than it's mother country, then it split. It even shared the National Airline. Malaysian Singapore Airlines became Singapore International Airlines and Malaysian Airline System. Singapore has no natural resources at all. Malaysia has plenty. Imagine if Scotland tried the same.
Singapore is fairly capitalistic compared to what Scotland is aiming for.Tunku said:
I was born in a small country that went for independence. It's still here. It's called Singapore. At first it shared the currency until it's own became more valuable than it's mother country, then it split. It even shared the National Airline. Malaysian Singapore Airlines became Singapore International Airlines and Malaysian Airline System. Singapore has no natural resources at all. Malaysia has plenty. Imagine if Scotland tried the same.
Singapore didn't so much go for independence as was expelled from Malaysia when everyone in their parliament voted for it to happen. The airline came about not least because it was based in Singapore and Malaysia wanted to have a share of it.The differences between Scotland and Singapore are so huge it's hard to know what else to say about it.
Tunku said:
I was born in a small country that went for independence. It's still here. It's called Singapore. At first it shared the currency until it's own became more valuable than it's mother country, then it split. It even shared the National Airline. Malaysian Singapore Airlines became Singapore International Airlines and Malaysian Airline System. Singapore has no natural resources at all. Malaysia has plenty. Imagine if Scotland tried the same.
I have been living in Singapore for a few years.even apart from the weather - it has very little in common with Scotland.
Singapore attracts massive inward investment and money flows by having a pro business low tax regime. There are virtually no social security , 'dole', health or other subsidised state benefits.. and the citizens dont have a sense of 'whingeing entitlement' to State Benefits.
And alcohol and cars are highly taxed.
Sure ..Scotland could try that model if independent
.. but the left wing working class locals who all voted Yes .. would be screaming that all the benefits they were entitled to had been removed to make Scotland a lower tax / commercially friendly regime. And the price of Buckfast would be too high for the Neds
Tunku said:
I was born in a small country that went for independence. It's still here. It's called Singapore. At first it shared the currency until it's own became more valuable than it's mother country, then it split. It even shared the National Airline. Malaysian Singapore Airlines became Singapore International Airlines and Malaysian Airline System. Singapore has no natural resources at all. Malaysia has plenty. Imagine if Scotland tried the same.
Singapore is the private banking, low tax, give us all your cash style tax haven for Asia and India. The place exists because it is almost solely given over for the purpose of rich Asians stashing their cash.
Singapore has no social healthcare systems or legions of old people wanting pensions. It is so unlike Scotland it may as well be an alien planet.
alfaman said:
Tunku said:
I was born in a small country that went for independence. It's still here. It's called Singapore. At first it shared the currency until it's own became more valuable than it's mother country, then it split. It even shared the National Airline. Malaysian Singapore Airlines became Singapore International Airlines and Malaysian Airline System. Singapore has no natural resources at all. Malaysia has plenty. Imagine if Scotland tried the same.
I have been living in Singapore for a few years.even apart from the weather - it has very little in common with Scotland.
Singapore attracts massive inward investment and money flows by having a pro business low tax regime. There are virtually no social security , 'dole', health or other subsidised state benefits.. and the citizens dont have a sense of 'whingeing entitlement' to State Benefits.
And alcohol and cars are highly taxed.
Sure ..Scotland could try that model if independent
.. but the left wing working class locals who all voted Yes .. would be screaming that all the benefits they were entitled to had been removed to make Scotland a lower tax / commercially friendly regime. And the price of Buckfast would be too high for the Neds
YES voters might not be so keen
Zad said:
It all reminds me of a bunch of teenagers whose parents have gone on holiday.
Yes, or better still moving into a shared house with a bunch of mates so they can come back at night any time they like but the house is just round the corner so theyll be round for their dinner, leave their washing and.....Oh can I "borrow" a Tenner.
McWigglebum4th said:
alfaman said:
Tunku said:
I was born in a small country that went for independence. It's still here. It's called Singapore. At first it shared the currency until it's own became more valuable than it's mother country, then it split. It even shared the National Airline. Malaysian Singapore Airlines became Singapore International Airlines and Malaysian Airline System. Singapore has no natural resources at all. Malaysia has plenty. Imagine if Scotland tried the same.
I have been living in Singapore for a few years.even apart from the weather - it has very little in common with Scotland.
Singapore attracts massive inward investment and money flows by having a pro business low tax regime. There are virtually no social security , 'dole', health or other subsidised state benefits.. and the citizens dont have a sense of 'whingeing entitlement' to State Benefits.
And alcohol and cars are highly taxed.
Sure ..Scotland could try that model if independent
.. but the left wing working class locals who all voted Yes .. would be screaming that all the benefits they were entitled to had been removed to make Scotland a lower tax / commercially friendly regime. And the price of Buckfast would be too high for the Neds
YES voters might not be so keen
it's quite ironic ...If Scotland were to model itself as the Singapore of Europe - with the lowest income and corp taxes in the EU , with its own currency it could be massively successful .
All the lefties would probably want to move South of the border ( but would the English have to let them in ?
And if pro- business and very low tax .... England would have to follow suit or lose lots of big biz to North of the border.
But sadly it's not what's on the table
alfaman said:
it's quite ironic ...If Scotland were to model itself as the Singapore of Europe - with the lowest income and corp taxes in the EU , with its own currency it could be massively successful .
All the lefties would probably want to move South of the border ( but would the English have to let them in ?
And if pro- business and very low tax .... England would have to follow suit or lose lots of big biz to North of the border.
But sadly it's not what's on the table
Remember we are going independent to remove poverty, child poverty, foodbanks....oh and lower taxes, lower borrowing, no austerity, more jobs and more! We will figure out how to pay for it all afterwards. What could go wrong?
cymtriks said:
What are companies and individuals so afraid of?
Why does it have to come down to fear. The assumption seems to be that anyone who doesn't want independence must be afraid of the consequences.For companies this may be true - at the end of the day, businesses don't like anything that can hurt their bottom line - but for individuals there is another possibility that doesnt seem to be being considered:
Individuals may simply like being part of the union.......
Zad said:
It all reminds me of a bunch of teenagers whose parents have gone on holiday.
In the words of Kevin Bridges:"They don't so much 'have' a party, they get one."
Sadly the Scots don't have a clue about what is around the corner should they vote yes. If they do vote yes I hope a previous poster is correct about it being win-win for England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
Then this may be the case: (P.G. Wodehouse) 'It has never been hard to tell the difference between a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine.'
If iScotland manages to join the EU, and ends up with a much more generous social security system than the rUK (as seems to be the expectation of Yes voters), it seems to me that they might be able to expect an influx of rUK welfare dependents. Even with Scotland outside of the EU, anyone with a Scottish parent or grandparent would be entitled to register for citizenship.
We could organise coaches.
We could organise coaches.
toppstuff said:
Singapore is the private banking, low tax, give us all your cash style tax haven for Asia and India.
The place exists because it is almost solely given over for the purpose of rich Asians stashing their cash.
Singapore has no social healthcare systems or legions of old people wanting pensions. It is so unlike Scotland it may as well be an alien planet.
Best idea yet, move scotland to another planet, surprised SNP haven't suggested it weeks agoThe place exists because it is almost solely given over for the purpose of rich Asians stashing their cash.
Singapore has no social healthcare systems or legions of old people wanting pensions. It is so unlike Scotland it may as well be an alien planet.
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