Welsh lockdown

[robuk]

Pit Pony said:

My parents (in thier 80s) and sister live on Ynys Mon.

My uncle lives in Devon. His daughter owns a number of holiday lets close to him.

He is riddled with cancer, and doesn't have long left.
He's still in hospital. Wants to go home, and daughter is trying to sort out a Palliative care package so he can spend his last few days or weeks, unlikely to be months, at home.

My mother wants to see him before he dies.

Can someone translate the laws and guidance and allow me to explain to my God fearing, legally cautious family, that they are allowed to travel to Devon, and stay for free in my cousin's empty cottage for a few days.
It's probably too far for my Dad to drive, so my sister would probably need to go too.
I'd go over from miseryside and pick them up, and drive them, but my wife's mother has just died, and I don't want to leave her alone for too long or stress her out.

Sorry to hear that situation.

If it helps, the Welsh regs on travel allows lockdown area visits if "the person enters or leaves the area for a purpose that is reasonably necessary and there is no reasonably practicable alternative"

Examples of defined 'reasonable' in the regs include:

-"obtaining or providing medical assistance",

- "providing, receiving or accessing care or assistance, including childcare or relevant personal care within the meaning of paragraph 7(3B) of Schedule 4 to the Safeguarding of Vulnerable Groups Act 2006, where the person receiving the care is a vulnerable person;" and

- "obtaining—
(i) food and medical supplies for those in the same household (including
animals in the household) or for vulnerable persons;
(ii) supplies for the essential upkeep, maintenance and functioning of the
household, or the household of a vulnerable person;"

https://gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications...


Then in terms of England Tier 4 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/sche... etc

"No person who lives in the Tier 4 area may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse."

It could then come under "to provide care or assistance" / "to provide care or assistance, including relevant personal care within the meaning of paragraph 7(3B) of Schedule 4 to the Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006, to a vulnerable person [F17or to a person who has a disability];"

but more under 7:

"(e)to visit a person (“V”) receiving treatment in a hospital or staying in a hospice or care home, or to accompany V to a medical appointment and P is—
(i)a member of V’s household,
(ii)a close family member of V, or
(iii)a friend of V."


On a practical sense have sorted highlighted copies of similar for the above for someone who wanted to make sure they (hopefully) wouldn't get into an elongated conversation with an officer if stopped, so they printed them and had them with them if needed.

[MG CHRIS]

Landcrab_Six said:

(Back after a 'holiday' from the forums...)

I've just had my monkey snot today. Very reluctantly, as I'm fit and healthy and the right side of 50. Apparently heart disease is a risk, but I'd have preferred to let my vaccine go to the truly vulnerable in countries struggling - particularly those in COVAX.

Anyway, by Dripford's own Levels, published last year, we should be Level 1 with immediate effect.

Level 1 is: Under 50 cases / 100,000 - currently 41 and falling, despite testing the hell out of everything that moves.

R under 1 - has been for several weeks now.

Cases falling in the most vulnerable (over 65s) - now largely protected by the vaccine.

Same applies over the border - England should be at Level 2 at the most.

Yet he's continuing to plough a path of economic and societal damage. He's a dithering, puritanical Marxist dictator and I hope he'll lose his seat in the elections - it's far from being 'safe'.

I've also just joined the 'Abolish the Welsh Assembly Party'. Hopefully we'll be allowed to leaflet and canvass to oust him from power.

Agree with everything you said glad your ok. I think a lot of people could do with a break from here the cure is thread has turned into the same group of people going round in circles cant be good for you. I think the only reason hes delaying opening is if he goes before boris he be shouted at by the whole why are you letting the dirty English in. Apart from a few things he is following boris.

My dad has had the vaccine today my mother next sat 63 and 56 also my mate who is 28 had his which was a bit odd the vaccine roll out has been good tbf and its the only way out in the minds of the governments. From looking around though the government have lost the people now plenty meeting up doing their thing even the most scared types are going fk it I want my life back now.
Still not sure on the election abolish is looking my top atm but want labour out so not sure if it be a wasted vote. Hope you are ok and you got a bit more security at work.

[robuk]

This thread reminds me of this tweet that popped up somewhere yesterday

"The pro-lockdown Drakeford, anti-lockdown Johnson narrative is so baked into the media now that the fact that Wales is loosening many restrictions before England seems to be being ignored because it doesn't fit that narrative..."

https://twitter.com/ifanmj/status/1370485658435850...

[sociopath]

I'm looking forward to end of march when I can drive 150m from wrexham to cardiff, but apparently I can't drive 7miles up the road to chester because it's in England

[anonymous-user]

robuk said:

This thread reminds me of this tweet that popped up somewhere yesterday

"The pro-lockdown Drakeford, anti-lockdown Johnson narrative is so baked into the media now that the fact that Wales is loosening many restrictions before England seems to be being ignored because it doesn't fit that narrative..."

https://twitter.com/ifanmj/status/1370485658435850...

So, what are we getting before England?

Hairdressers. And that's pretty much it.

We are getting 'stay local' which has never existed in England. But it's an improvement on it being illegal to drive a few miles to the local park, I guess.

Oh, and we can now buy pants and socks again. But that was never stopped in England.

Nobody is going quicker than anyone else. They're just tinkering to make it look like they're being benevolent and generous, when the practicalities are that what they're doing right now is nothing.

I'm sure we're only getting hairdressing so Born Guessing can get his afro cut, it's starting to look a bit unruly.

[MG CHRIS]

robuk said:

This thread reminds me of this tweet that popped up somewhere yesterday

"The pro-lockdown Drakeford, anti-lockdown Johnson narrative is so baked into the media now that the fact that Wales is loosening many restrictions before England seems to be being ignored because it doesn't fit that narrative..."

https://twitter.com/ifanmj/status/1370485658435850...

We should bloody well be out of restrictions now we went in 2 weeks before and our numbers are now at the welsh government tier 1 level yet all we got was you can now get a hair cut and can meet another family in your garden utter nonsense. No real time scale for anything else. The whole of the uk should be out in april there is simply no reason to extend it to end of june just because we don't mention boris because this is about wales doesn't mean we agree with boris. You are a bloody stuck record.

[wobert]

MG CHRIS said:

robuk said:

This thread reminds me of this tweet that popped up somewhere yesterday

"The pro-lockdown Drakeford, anti-lockdown Johnson narrative is so baked into the media now that the fact that Wales is loosening many restrictions before England seems to be being ignored because it doesn't fit that narrative..."

https://twitter.com/ifanmj/status/1370485658435850...

We should bloody well be out of restrictions now we went in 2 weeks before and our numbers are now at the welsh government tier 1 level yet all we got was you can now get a hair cut and can meet another family in your garden utter nonsense. No real time scale for anything else. The whole of the uk should be out in april there is simply no reason to extend it to end of june just because we don't mention boris because this is about wales doesn't mean we agree with boris. You are a bloody stuck record.

Yes, but 3500 could die in the next 3 months unless we stick to ‘the rules’.......it’s garbage, they know it, we know it....but, but, but.

[Ken Figenus]

johnboy1975 said:

Do you believe there's sufficient difference between 1 dose and 2 to justify the extra 12 weeks? Each to their own (and no judging off me) but my parents were un-exiled once they were 17 days clear of the first dose.

Actually I agree with you mate - I saw her several times last year after all when we were not so locked up... And now she's at least pretty protected via first vaccine - hospitalisations down 80% from that alone. In fact I did suggest popping up but she's worried what the neighbours will think if we are seen to be breaking the rules. She's in a village and knows everyone and my car is LOUD! April 3d is my absolute cut off but likely will be permissible before then...

Edited by Ken Figenus on Saturday 13th March 12:41

[Amateurish]

Welshbeef said:

Drakeford on R4 today programme.

So mixing households permitted from today and as most houses in Wales getting to back garden means going through the house but you are not permitted to use toilet.

The other thing is from 12/4 you can then use static caravans and houses/Airbnb.

However he was asked does 12/4 allow English into Wales.
Answer no As Boris current rules from the 12/4 state firstly you are only allowed to travel a short distance and also you are NOT allowed to stay overnight.
Asked about the Summer and English into Wales - IF everything goes to plan absolutely IF not we will have to delay.amend rules

It's 27 March that Wales allows travel to self catered accommodation. The English are permitted from 12 April.

[Amateurish]

Landcrab_Six said:

So, what are we getting before England?

Hairdressers. And that's pretty much it.

We are getting 'stay local' which has never existed in England. But it's an improvement on it being illegal to drive a few miles to the local park, I guess.

Oh, and we can now buy pants and socks again. But that was never stopped in England.

Nobody is going quicker than anyone else. They're just tinkering to make it look like they're being benevolent and generous, when the practicalities are that what they're doing right now is nothing.

I'm sure we're only getting hairdressing so Born Guessing can get his afro cut, it's starting to look a bit unruly.

You get the "stay at home" order lifted today. We have to wait another 15 days.

[anonymous-user]

Amateurish said:

It's 27 March that Wales allows travel to self catered accommodation. The English are permitted from 12 April.

But only for Welsh residents, not those oppressive English bds.

It's all to pursue his nationalist agenda.

I'm determined to do my bit to oust him and his cronies in the Senedd elections.

[Amateurish]

Landcrab_Six said:

Amateurish said:

It's 27 March that Wales allows travel to self catered accommodation. The English are permitted from 12 April.

But only for Welsh residents, not those oppressive English bds.

It's all to pursue his nationalist agenda.

I'm determined to do my bit to oust him and his cronies in the Senedd elections.

Once you are in Wales, surely Welsh rules apply, regardless of where you came from?

[robuk]

Landcrab_Six said:

But only for Welsh residents, not those oppressive English bds.

It's all to pursue his nationalist agenda.

I'm determined to do my bit to oust him and his cronies in the Senedd elections.

You have literally said you are now part of the Abolish party.

You therefore don't want a Welsh Parliament, and logically therefore the currently English rules.

That would mean you are *more restricted* now than you are!

You are a fking idiot - as has been shown multiple times in this thread. Shall I revive your greatest hits collection?

[MG CHRIS]

robuk said:

Landcrab_Six said:

But only for Welsh residents, not those oppressive English bds.

It's all to pursue his nationalist agenda.

I'm determined to do my bit to oust him and his cronies in the Senedd elections.

You have literally said you are now part of the Abolish party.

You therefore don't want a Welsh Parliament, and logically therefore the currently English rules.

That would mean you are *more restricted* now than you are!

You are a fking idiot - as has been shown multiple times in this thread. Shall I revive your greatest hits collection?

Oh look showing your nasty side why the need for personal insults. Oh as for we coming out of stay at home restriction earlier than England in the real world it means nothing. Apart from having my hair cut there is nothing new I can do today than yesterday and as we went in 2 weeks earlier and now at tier 1 levels numbers wise we should be a lot more free than we are. As previous you only see what you want too see.

Edited by MG CHRIS on Saturday 13th March 13:13

[Amateurish]

Pit Pony said:

My parents (in thier 80s) and sister live on Ynys Mon.

My uncle lives in Devon. His daughter owns a number of holiday lets close to him.

He is riddled with cancer, and doesn't have long left.
He's still in hospital. Wants to go home, and daughter is trying to sort out a Palliative care package so he can spend his last few days or weeks, unlikely to be months, at home.

My mother wants to see him before he dies.

Can someone translate the laws and guidance and allow me to explain to my God fearing, legally cautious family, that they are allowed to travel to Devon, and stay for free in my cousin's empty cottage for a few days.
It's probably too far for my Dad to drive, so my sister would probably need to go too.
I'd go over from miseryside and pick them up, and drive them, but my wife's mother has just died, and I don't want to leave her alone for too long or stress her out.

Death Bed visits have always been permitted.

Here's the wording from the legislation for your family:

You can leave home where " it is reasonably necessary for P to leave or be outside P’s home to visit a person (“D”) whom P reasonably believes is dying, and P is—

(a)a member of D’s household,
(b)a close family member of D, or
(c)a friend of D."

P means person

[MG CHRIS]

wobert said:

MG CHRIS said:

robuk said:

This thread reminds me of this tweet that popped up somewhere yesterday

"The pro-lockdown Drakeford, anti-lockdown Johnson narrative is so baked into the media now that the fact that Wales is loosening many restrictions before England seems to be being ignored because it doesn't fit that narrative..."

https://twitter.com/ifanmj/status/1370485658435850...

We should bloody well be out of restrictions now we went in 2 weeks before and our numbers are now at the welsh government tier 1 level yet all we got was you can now get a hair cut and can meet another family in your garden utter nonsense. No real time scale for anything else. The whole of the uk should be out in april there is simply no reason to extend it to end of june just because we don't mention boris because this is about wales doesn't mean we agree with boris. You are a bloody stuck record.

Yes, but 3500 could die in the next 3 months unless we stick to ‘the rules’.......it’s garbage, they know it, we know it....but, but, but.

That was priceless so 3500 could die in the next 3 months when only 5k have died in 12 months. Utter nonsense but if we go with what we want there wont be any more deaths well that is alright then.

[anonymous-user]

robuk said:

You have literally said you are now part of the Abolish party.

You therefore don't want a Welsh Parliament, and logically therefore the currently English rules.

That would mean you are *more restricted* now than you are!

You are a fking idiot - as has been shown multiple times in this thread. Shall I revive your greatest hits collection?

England aren’t ‘more restricted’. Stay local was only ever guidance, so you could travel for many reasons. None essential aisles were open in supermarkets. The irony is that our ‘release’ still leaves us more restricted than England right now.

As for the Senedd, the first step to getting rid of it is now to get representation in it. To oust a dictator who has kept me under extra restrictions for all bar a few weeks in the last 12 months.

You are the very worst kind of Insular, nationalist, Drakeford apologist.

[Matt..]

Landcrab_Six said:

England aren’t ‘more restricted’. Stay local was only ever guidance, so you could travel for many reasons. None essential aisles were open in supermarkets. The irony is that our ‘release’ still leaves us more restricted than England right now.

As for the Senedd, the first step to getting rid of it is now to get representation in it. To oust a dictator who has kept me under extra restrictions for all bar a few weeks in the last 12 months.

You are the very worst kind of Insular, nationalist, Drakeford apologist.

The one that many don't seem to understand is that for every lockdown in Wales we have had restrictions on exercise for travel, which England has rarely had. This has meant that Cardiff (and almost all of Wales) will have have travel restrictions for 250 days. England has only very rarely stopped travel for exercise. This has made living in Wales fairly nightmarish for anyone that enjoys outdoor exercise and is playing by the rules.

[benjipeg]

dripford is a joke, he is only easing the rules (which are a joke) as he is looking towards the senedd elections, if there was such a risk why would he be allowing door to door campainging.

[robuk]

MG CHRIS said:

Oh look showing your nasty side why the need for personal insults.

With regards to Landcrab it is important to reference his posting history as it is not a normal discussion, he is a batst offensive conspiracy theorist... where to start?!

Slagged off the people of Wales and blamed them for being ‘fat knackers’.

Called details from senior Welsh Ambo bloke lies, plus other NHS reports from staff called a lie and part of ‘smoke and mirrors’.

He has said he could run ICUs better based off his knowledge of .... working in a supermarket.

He has explained how he is a ‘great reset’ nutter, saying “It's almost following the WEF reset script to the letter - especially the mutant strain and 3rd national lockdown bit.” ?

He said said ‘top retail directors’ were brought into Wales to sort the ‘disaster’ of track and trace - despite Wales’ effort being run by councils and that being complete rubbish.

Add in where he had no clue about Australia but said they are “not really a great example to the world”, without appearing to know anything about the situation or place.

Oh, and https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... where he outed himself as an *actual conspiracy theorist* based off his learnings / brainwashing from Yeadon / Dolan and other dheads.

That is just a quick summary from a few posts off this thread - his activities on the other Covid-19 threads excel further.

I feel quite strongly idiots need calling out or their misinformation can be seen by people as facts.

Is it fair to assume his 'break' from the forums were due to a ban for activities elsewhere?!