Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2

[Johnnytheboy]

Sway said:

T6 vanman said:

I'm genuinely concerned of 'Crafty's' second link,
We've seen 2~3 years of needless public sector & key institution strikes,
My employer has sole recognition by Unite and again it's pay and conditions review time and their the starting point is a 5~6% rise + umpteen other cost benefits, (Yes please but unrealistic) so more work to rule and no overtime ....
Genuinely think if Momentum & Unite link together their desire for a national strike and dismantling of employers and employment will begin. The Tories will be crushed under the control of a fifth column of key point firebrands leading workers with apathy and ignorance into a bitter wilderness
As an example of positive left thinking compare France & UK in 2010 with both having 8% unemployment ... Now 2017 Socialist France now 10% & UK at 4.8% .... They say the Tories don't care for the poor but unemployment does not help the poor either ... or pay for the NHS/Teachers/Pay the deficit let alone the dept.
I see troubled times ahead

The public's sympathy for strikes is at the lowest it's been for many, many years.

Quite simply, they'd be signing their own unemployment, with the public cheering that on and moving to the right.

Too many of the working class now drive Audis parked outside their mortgaged houses, and quite frankly are too aspirational to go off on a class war in the name of socialism/collectivism/communism.

What would a national strike bring out nowadays?

Parts of the public sector, train network and the defence industry?

As longs as I still got my bins picked up, I'm not sure I'd care. Let them get on with it.

[jmorgan]

Too many people are up to their ear 'oles in hock to afford to go on strike.

[FN2TypeR]

We will win, says woman who clearly will not win.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dian...

[alock]

Momentum: Bringing you graphs as well designed as this...



I know that in their members survey there is a table underneath the above graph where you can actually figure out what the numbers mean, but the way they present data just seems to sum up how useless they are.

[wolfracesonic]

Shouldn't graphs be self explanatory? That one seems to serve no purpose, unless combined with the notes below, which if read make the graph redundant

[D-Angle]

Sway said:

The public's sympathy for strikes is at the lowest it's been for many, many years.

Quite simply, they'd be signing their own unemployment, with the public cheering that on and moving to the right.

Too many of the working class now drive Audis parked outside their mortgaged houses, and quite frankly are too aspirational to go off on a class war in the name of socialism/collectivism/communism.

Spot on. Many people look at the Labour party and don't see it talking about things that they can relate to. They are becoming a debating society for lofty and often mostly academic issues, rather than arguing on behalf of the person in the street.

People have lots of opinions about Brexit, Trump, Trident etc. But they have much stronger opinions about finding and keeping a job, earning a living wage, their kids getting a decent education, getting treatment if they're sick, and being safe from crime. Labour are far too busy with 'big politics' to bother with such things.

[BigMon]

techiedave said:

It might surprise you (not you personally but the general YOU) that I am not naturally a supporter of the Tories. I believed in labour in '96 and voted in '97 Put simply they betrayed me not only about the war but other stuff.
I despise them so much now.

I'm the same.

I've never voted Conservative in my life but I see them as the only credible party at the moment (much as it pains me to say that).

And after the state the last Labour government left the country in I can't see me ever voting Labour again to be honest.

[Trax]

johnxjsc1985 said:

They have a split party now with a "movement" within it which is far left and a Parliamentary party which is clinging on to something resembling the centre. There is still much blood letting to take place and even more defeats before they do what Kinnock did in the 80's and ban the far left from the Party.

But the women from Momentum on the Today show this morning, insists they are central, not far left, and Tom Watson is right wing. Oh and she does not believe in the left of left labels, its not right, whilst repeating several times Momentum are not far left.

They are vying for power in the Labour party, and it is only going to destroy it more, especially when Unite get their claws into it through Momentum. Its fun listening to their delusion, that the members want to democracise the party, from the nasty right wingers. Oh yes, and MacDonald would make a great leader after Corbyn.

[motco]

Trax said:

Oh yes, and MacDonald would make a great leader after Corbyn.

MacDonald is a self-confessed Marxist. How much more left wing can he get without meeting his own arse round the corner?

[johnxjsc1985]

Trax said:

But the women from Momentum on the Today show this morning, insists they are central, not far left, and Tom Watson is right wing. Oh and she does not believe in the left of left labels, its not right, whilst repeating several times Momentum are not far left.

They are vying for power in the Labour party, and it is only going to destroy it more, especially when Unite get their claws into it through Momentum. Its fun listening to their delusion, that the members want to democracise the party, from the nasty right wingers. Oh yes, and MacDonald would make a great leader after Corbyn.

I would love to ask Ed Milliband is this how you saw Labours future ?.

[anonymous-user]

Two things

johnxjsc1985 said:

I would love to ask Ed Milliband is this how you saw Labours future ?.

Ask the same question of the clever types who thought inviting the rabid dog into the house was "widening the debate" and " broadening the horizon" etc. Ask Cooper, ask Harman, ask the clever Islington set. They ae so clever they have brought this upon themselves.

FN2TypeR said:

We will win, says woman who clearly will not win.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dian...

As a courtesy to your good self I feel it important to warn you. If you had mentioned HER name and it was then repeated twice sfterwards a picture must appear. This provokes distress amongst some and thoughts of lust in others. Thrice unlocks the box.

[Kermit power]

techiedave said:

As a courtesy to your good self I feel it important to warn you. If you had mentioned HER name and it was then repeated twice sfterwards a picture must appear. This provokes distress amongst some and thoughts of lust in others. Thrice unlocks the box.

Did you particularly like the way the Indie photographer left that teasing line of spittle between her tooth and lip on the left hand side?

[motco]

Kermit power said:

Did you particularly like the way the Indie photographer left that teasing line of spittle between her tooth and lip on the left hand side?

[anonymous-user]

Kermit power said:

techiedave said:

As a courtesy to your good self I feel it important to warn you. If you had mentioned HER name and it was then repeated twice sfterwards a picture must appear. This provokes distress amongst some and thoughts of lust in others. Thrice unlocks the box.

Did you particularly like the way the Indie photographer left that teasing line of spittle between her tooth and lip on the left hand side?

With all due respect I have already covered this subject at length elsewhere I will refrain from commenting here.

[B'stard Child]

techiedave said:

Kermit power said:

techiedave said:

As a courtesy to your good self I feel it important to warn you. If you had mentioned HER name and it was then repeated twice sfterwards a picture must appear. This provokes distress amongst some and thoughts of lust in others. Thrice unlocks the box.

Did you particularly like the way the Indie photographer left that teasing line of spittle between her tooth and lip on the left hand side?

With all due respect I have already covered this subject at length elsewhere I will refrain from commenting here.

Amazing!!!!!

And thank you

[turbobloke]

From the DT: Labour descends into open warfare as John McDonnell accuses Tom Watson of 'interfering' in Unite leadership contest.

ALso from the DT:



Nothing to see here, Jezza has it all under control.

[T6 vanman]

D-Angle said:

Sway said:

The public's sympathy for strikes is at the lowest it's been for many, many years.

Quite simply, they'd be signing their own unemployment, with the public cheering that on and moving to the right.

Too many of the working class now drive Audis parked outside their mortgaged houses, and quite frankly are too aspirational to go off on a class war in the name of socialism/collectivism/communism.

Spot on. Many people look at the Labour party and don't see it talking about things that they can relate to. They are becoming a debating society for lofty and often mostly academic issues, rather than arguing on behalf of the person in the street.

People have lots of opinions about Brexit, Trump, Trident etc. But they have much stronger opinions about finding and keeping a job, earning a living wage, their kids getting a decent education, getting treatment if they're sick, and being safe from crime. Labour are far too busy with 'big politics' to bother with such things.

I don't disagree with you .... sort of my view too BUT
Looking every day as I pass our union noticeboard with the A2/A3 posters for this march / that protest meeting / the other event,
The constant "We've had to raise this/that issue with the management of our members being worked into the ground and the selfish management denying our members a decent work life balance ... etc" .. Sorry but whilst I do glance I can't remember the verbatim word for word .... but the constant drip drip drip....!
The southern rail issue (miles away from T6 manor) to an uneducated me is a case in point.
Company guarantee's no job losses or pay reductions.
Independent safety organisations declare process safe
Train manufacturers declare other countries operate this process safely
Union declaring strike after strike.
To me lets have a discussion .. what safety / automatic features do the drivers want/require to operate the new process (we all want more safety .. passengers as well as train staff .. I'm ok with that)
But I guess these strikes go ahead as (like in the 70's) "cross the union at your parole"

[Sway]

I'm in the Southern Rail area.

All the strikes are doing is causing even other Unite members such as those few at my company ask the question of how quickly driverless trains can be installed...

The unions get shouty where they've got a comfort level of control. I've worked in many firms with union representation, but at low percentages. They're far more accommodating of things that in another company would lead to mass walkouts.

Teachers/Railways/councils are pretty much the only areas where strikes are likely or cause much disruption. That can change quickly.

Look at how quickly public opinion turned against the Jnr Drs strikes after it became apparent that their approach was more militant than principled (it's all about safety, but now you've offered more money we think it's perfectly safe)...

[FN2TypeR]

techiedave said:

As a courtesy to your good self I feel it important to warn you. If you had mentioned HER name and it was then repeated twice sfterwards a picture must appear. This provokes distress amongst some and thoughts of lust in others. Thrice unlocks the box.

DIANE ABBOT

DIANE ABBOT

DIANE ABBOT

[mybrainhurts]

FN2TypeR said:

techiedave said:

As a courtesy to your good self I feel it important to warn you. If you had mentioned HER name and it was then repeated twice sfterwards a picture must appear. This provokes distress amongst some and thoughts of lust in others. Thrice unlocks the box.

DIANE ABBOT

DIANE ABBOT

DIANE ABBOT

Din't work..try ABBOTT next time...