Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2
Discussion
So when is it going to turn into fisticuffs ? 
"Labour PLP meeting erupts in fury with shouting at Jeremy Corbyn"
http://news.sky.com/story/labour-plp-meeting-erupt...
"The shouting and heckling inside committee room 14 in the Commons was so loud it could be heard clearly by journalists in a corridor outside the room.
After the meeting, Labour grandee Peter Mandelson told reporters the atmosphere in the party now was like that in 1985, when the Militant Tendency attempted to take over.
But when that was put to Lord Neil Kinnock, who as leader from 1983-92 fought bruising battles against the hard-left group, he told journalists: "No, it's worse than that.""
"Labour PLP meeting erupts in fury with shouting at Jeremy Corbyn"
http://news.sky.com/story/labour-plp-meeting-erupt...
"The shouting and heckling inside committee room 14 in the Commons was so loud it could be heard clearly by journalists in a corridor outside the room.
After the meeting, Labour grandee Peter Mandelson told reporters the atmosphere in the party now was like that in 1985, when the Militant Tendency attempted to take over.
But when that was put to Lord Neil Kinnock, who as leader from 1983-92 fought bruising battles against the hard-left group, he told journalists: "No, it's worse than that.""
Sway said:
I'm in the Southern Rail area.
All the strikes are doing is causing even other Unite members such as those few at my company ask the question of how quickly driverless trains can be installed...
The unions get shouty where they've got a comfort level of control. I've worked in many firms with union representation, but at low percentages. They're far more accommodating of things that in another company would lead to mass walkouts.
Teachers/Railways/NHS & councils are pretty much the only areas where strikes are likely or cause much disruption. That can change quickly.
Look at how quickly public opinion turned against the Jnr Drs strikes after it became apparent that their approach was more militant than principled (it's all about safety, but now you've offered more money we think it's perfectly safe)...
And I've bold'd the bit that's precisely what I meant by "troubled times ahead"All the strikes are doing is causing even other Unite members such as those few at my company ask the question of how quickly driverless trains can be installed...
The unions get shouty where they've got a comfort level of control. I've worked in many firms with union representation, but at low percentages. They're far more accommodating of things that in another company would lead to mass walkouts.
Teachers/Railways/NHS & councils are pretty much the only areas where strikes are likely or cause much disruption. That can change quickly.
Look at how quickly public opinion turned against the Jnr Drs strikes after it became apparent that their approach was more militant than principled (it's all about safety, but now you've offered more money we think it's perfectly safe)...
Unite, Momentum and Corbyn aren't interested in the poor, working, disabled ... Just to stick it to "Tory scum", and everybody / the economy / ... even the labour party are insignificant collateral damage
I just don't know how or who will prevent the bold list from going onto this futile warpath
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Edited by T6 vanman on Monday 20th March 21:49
mybrainhurts said:
FN2TypeR said:
techiedave said:
As a courtesy to your good self I feel it important to warn you. If you had mentioned HER name and it was then repeated twice sfterwards a picture must appear. This provokes distress amongst some and thoughts of lust in others. Thrice unlocks the box.
DIANE ABBOTDIANE ABBOT
DIANE ABBOT
duh me
FN2TypeR said:
mybrainhurts said:
FN2TypeR said:
techiedave said:
As a courtesy to your good self I feel it important to warn you. If you had mentioned HER name and it was then repeated twice sfterwards a picture must appear. This provokes distress amongst some and thoughts of lust in others. Thrice unlocks the box.
DIANE ABBOTDIANE ABBOT
DIANE ABBOT
duh me
Think Tom Watson hung around to keep an ear to the ground and keep and eye on Jezza and his mates but even he seems to have come to the end of his tether. Every time you think Labour has hit bottom they get the spade out and start digging an even bigger hole. Kinnock is right this is far worse than the mid 80's because they have actually taken over the Party.
Just posted this in the Scottish Independence thread, but also relevant here:
http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-doing-better...
A nationally representative poll of people living in Scotland gave their views on whether party leaders were doing a good or bad job. The results were as follows:
Theresa May: good 48%, bad 47%
Jeremy Corbyn: good 16%, bad 77%
Nicola Sturgeon: good 42%, bad 54%
Kezia Dugdale: good 36%, bad 50%
Ruth Davidson: good 53%, bad 36%
http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-doing-better...
A nationally representative poll of people living in Scotland gave their views on whether party leaders were doing a good or bad job. The results were as follows:
Theresa May: good 48%, bad 47%
Jeremy Corbyn: good 16%, bad 77%
Nicola Sturgeon: good 42%, bad 54%
Kezia Dugdale: good 36%, bad 50%
Ruth Davidson: good 53%, bad 36%
johnxjsc1985 said:
Think Tom Watson hung around to keep an ear to the ground and keep and eye on Jezza and his mates but even he seems to have come to the end of his tether. Every time you think Labour has hit bottom they get the spade out and start digging an even bigger hole. Kinnock is right this is far worse than the mid 80's because they have actually taken over the Party.
And yet people still say he is a nice man (JC). Ignoring the fact he is the leader of the official govt opposition being a nice man (which based on what I've seen so far of him doesn't appear to be the case at all) has nothing to do with it. The role is to give a check and balance to the govt to offer alternative options and hold the Govt to accoubt. Now I'm a strong Tory voter but even I want labour to sort themselves out - a strong opposition makes a stronger govt and better all round for the country
When will the Labour MPs start using their power to move to say the Lib Dems now. It's been done many times before and they avoid a b.election. Labour are a farce and those moderates who the public voted in need to do the right thing and change party now before it's really too late.
Death of the Labour Party is a lot more real than you could possibly imagine.
Gogoplata said:
Just posted this in the Scottish Independence thread, but also relevant here:
http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-doing-better...
A nationally representative poll of people living in Scotland gave their views on whether party leaders were doing a good or bad job. The results were as follows:
Theresa May: good 48%, bad 47%
Jeremy Corbyn: good 16%, bad 77%
Nicola Sturgeon: good 42%, bad 54%
Kezia Dugdale: good 36%, bad 50%
Ruth Davidson: good 53%, bad 36%
Interesting stuff.http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-doing-better...
A nationally representative poll of people living in Scotland gave their views on whether party leaders were doing a good or bad job. The results were as follows:
Theresa May: good 48%, bad 47%
Jeremy Corbyn: good 16%, bad 77%
Nicola Sturgeon: good 42%, bad 54%
Kezia Dugdale: good 36%, bad 50%
Ruth Davidson: good 53%, bad 36%
ORB Poll for the ST: Scots do not want another referendum on independence before Britain leaves the EU and would vote “no” if one were held.
Sway said:
I'm in the Southern Rail area.
All the strikes are doing is causing even other Unite members such as those few at my company ask the question of how quickly driverless trains can be installed...
The unions get shouty where they've got a comfort level of control. I've worked in many firms with union representation, but at low percentages. They're far more accommodating of things that in another company would lead to mass walkouts.
Teachers/Railways/councils are pretty much the only areas where strikes are likely or cause much disruption. That can change quickly.
Look at how quickly public opinion turned against the Jnr Drs strikes after it became apparent that their approach was more militant than principled (it's all about safety, but now you've offered more money we think it's perfectly safe)...
anyone that is a member of unite needs their head examined imo. if they knew what some of their membership fees were paying for at the top of the tree i doubt many would be happy.All the strikes are doing is causing even other Unite members such as those few at my company ask the question of how quickly driverless trains can be installed...
The unions get shouty where they've got a comfort level of control. I've worked in many firms with union representation, but at low percentages. They're far more accommodating of things that in another company would lead to mass walkouts.
Teachers/Railways/councils are pretty much the only areas where strikes are likely or cause much disruption. That can change quickly.
Look at how quickly public opinion turned against the Jnr Drs strikes after it became apparent that their approach was more militant than principled (it's all about safety, but now you've offered more money we think it's perfectly safe)...
i won't be offering any clues ,if they can't be bothered doing due diligence before wasting money on another load of self centred greedy suits masquerading as friends of the ordinary working person that is their problem.
wc98 said:
anyone that is a member of unite needs their head examined imo. if they knew what some of their membership fees were paying for at the top of the tree i doubt many would be happy.
i won't be offering any clues ,if they can't be bothered doing due diligence before wasting money on another load of self centred greedy suits masquerading as friends of the ordinary working person that is their problem.
Completely agree. i won't be offering any clues ,if they can't be bothered doing due diligence before wasting money on another load of self centred greedy suits masquerading as friends of the ordinary working person that is their problem.
Vanman - those areas where strikes are likely are very unlikely to cause much issue if they do.
Teachers - don't know if you've seen the level of vitriol and abuse an irate mother can dole out, plus whilst they act like in complete control, at my son's school as an example only one member of staff is a member of the union.
NHS - I despise the way the NHS is politicised, however what that has done is made sure that the militants at least have to play the game and pretend any strikes are for patient safety, etc. If there was any 'real' strike that meant services were properly withdrawn, the public would go f
king mental, all sympathy would be lost, and 'any means necessary' to prevent reoccurrence would be voted for.Railways - f
k them. It's a pain in the arris when they strike, but as said before these are the convulsive thrashes of a dying breed, and merely hastening their demise. Driverless trains will sort that one.alock said:
Momentum: Bringing you graphs as well designed as this...
I know that in their members survey there is a table underneath the above graph where you can actually figure out what the numbers mean, but the way they present data just seems to sum up how useless they are.
That is fI know that in their members survey there is a table underneath the above graph where you can actually figure out what the numbers mean, but the way they present data just seems to sum up how useless they are.
king brilliant! Could they be more clueless? 
Sway said:
I'm in the Southern Rail area.
All the strikes are doing is causing even other Unite members such as those few at my company ask the question of how quickly driverless trains can be installed...
The unions get shouty where they've got a comfort level of control. I've worked in many firms with union representation, but at low percentages. They're far more accommodating of things that in another company would lead to mass walkouts.
Teachers/Railways/councils are pretty much the only areas where strikes are likely or cause much disruption. That can change quickly.
Look at how quickly public opinion turned against the Jnr Drs strikes after it became apparent that their approach was more militant than principled (it's all about safety, but now you've offered more money we think it's perfectly safe)...
Up North they are planning strikes around the Grand National Day. I wonder if they really think it will endear them to the travelling publicAll the strikes are doing is causing even other Unite members such as those few at my company ask the question of how quickly driverless trains can be installed...
The unions get shouty where they've got a comfort level of control. I've worked in many firms with union representation, but at low percentages. They're far more accommodating of things that in another company would lead to mass walkouts.
Teachers/Railways/councils are pretty much the only areas where strikes are likely or cause much disruption. That can change quickly.
Look at how quickly public opinion turned against the Jnr Drs strikes after it became apparent that their approach was more militant than principled (it's all about safety, but now you've offered more money we think it's perfectly safe)...
Sway said:
Vanman - those areas where strikes are likely are very unlikely to cause much issue if they do.
Teachers - don't know if you've seen the level of vitriol and abuse an irate mother can dole out, plus whilst they act like in complete control, at my son's school as an example only one member of staff is a member of the union.
NHS - I despise the way the NHS is politicised, however what that has done is made sure that the militants at least have to play the game and pretend any strikes are for patient safety, etc. If there was any 'real' strike that meant services were properly withdrawn, the public would go fking mental, all sympathy would be lost, and 'any means necessary' to prevent reoccurrence would be voted for.
Railways - fk them. It's a pain in the arris when they strike, but as said before these are the convulsive thrashes of a dying breed, and merely hastening their demise. Driverless trains will sort that one.
Sorry but can't agree with the first statement, The strikes are deliberately designed to cause maximum destruction,Teachers - don't know if you've seen the level of vitriol and abuse an irate mother can dole out, plus whilst they act like in complete control, at my son's school as an example only one member of staff is a member of the union.
NHS - I despise the way the NHS is politicised, however what that has done is made sure that the militants at least have to play the game and pretend any strikes are for patient safety, etc. If there was any 'real' strike that meant services were properly withdrawn, the public would go f
king mental, all sympathy would be lost, and 'any means necessary' to prevent reoccurrence would be voted for.Railways - f
k them. It's a pain in the arris when they strike, but as said before these are the convulsive thrashes of a dying breed, and merely hastening their demise. Driverless trains will sort that one.I think I seen a figure that one full days teachers strike causes 0.5% reduction in GDP .... Just calculate how many days are taken as holidays/sickies or cost in childcare for the average joe (best part of £25~£50 per day)
NHS ... They estimate over 100,000 operations & procedures cancelled each day of the junior doctors strike ... All these have to be rescheduled at 1/365 of the NHS budget ... or put another way ... half a billion quid
Railways ... Not used for over 15 years but I'd guess those who commute daily could comment regarding the costs involved in alternate transport to work
Of course all the negative publicity is positive for Corbyn & Labour
And remember this is being lead by the people who are backing Corbyn and Labour.
I'm just a lowly factory worker but as I'm 50 I can see through the twaddle posted by Unite on the boards,
Problem is the younger members genuinely see and agree that....
"The corrupt bosses in (main office based in another location) are obtaining a gold platted rise"
"The union will fight for our members being offered insulting crumbs that will lead to a ticket to the food bank"
"Management participating in a grotesque charade of allocating merit rises like a beauty contest to their chosen favourites"
I'd be interested if any others see similar wording within their Unite notice boards?
CrutyRammers said:
alock said:
Momentum: Bringing you graphs as well designed as this...
I know that in their members survey there is a table underneath the above graph where you can actually figure out what the numbers mean, but the way they present data just seems to sum up how useless they are.
That is fI know that in their members survey there is a table underneath the above graph where you can actually figure out what the numbers mean, but the way they present data just seems to sum up how useless they are.
king brilliant! Could they be more clueless? 
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