Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2

[Kermit power]

Andy Zarse said:

Hell yeah, they sure can! Letter in the Inde today.

I can fully understand that sentiment, though, as I've felt like there hasn't been a party to represent me or people like me for the last twenty years either.

As far as I'm concerned, Corbyn's leadership of the Labour party has been the single most welcome development in British politics in the last two decades, as it finally presents an opportunity for the Conservative party to move the centre ground back to the actual centre, rather than having to choose between three centre left parties with no ground between them.

With the support of Corbyn and Momentum, Theresa May should be able to move reset the electoral boundaries to be a bit fairer, move our politics to the right and have time to demonstrate how this is fairer for all long before anyone else becomes electable as an opposition.

In the meantime, if people like this chap are happy to have someone speaking for them, that's just a win/win in my mind.

[turbobloke]

"Eventually"

Patience needs to be strong in socialists.

[LordLoveLength]

Just overheard a conversation involving our local union rep

He was saying how bad it was that 'we start our lives being lied to about the tooth fairy and father christmas, then go on to tell the same lies to our children'

someone replied 'well whats wrong with that? you still believe in the Labour party!'

[Andy Zarse]

Kermit power said:

Andy Zarse said:

Hell yeah, they sure can! Letter in the Inde today.

I can fully understand that sentiment, though, as I've felt like there hasn't been a party to represent me or people like me for the last twenty years either.

As far as I'm concerned, Corbyn's leadership of the Labour party has been the single most welcome development in British politics in the last two decades, as it finally presents an opportunity for the Conservative party to move the centre ground back to the actual centre, rather than having to choose between three centre left parties with no ground between them.

With the support of Corbyn and Momentum, Theresa May should be able to move reset the electoral boundaries to be a bit fairer, move our politics to the right and have time to demonstrate how this is fairer for all long before anyone else becomes electable as an opposition.

In the meantime, if people like this chap are happy to have someone speaking for them, that's just a win/win in my mind.

I'm sure if you had looked far enough down the ballot paper there would occasionally have been someone whose views braodly represented your own. Unfortunately the candidate was like as not wearing a funny hat, a giant rosette and Benny Hill glasses. Or in Paul Nuttall's case, dressed like someone on his way to a day at the races.

I think the problem is such folk are not remotely electable due to "personality issues" and the lack of any real political organisation behind them. This is the same quandary which faces Labour today. It has become a nice comfy "safe space" for assorted marxists and people with fauna in their beards and whose lives revolve around trade unionism, but it is completely beyond the pail for normal people.

I think you make a very good point about the opportunity to move politics back to its genuine centre. However I'm not seeing much sign of it so far to be honest. I know we need to get Brexit rolling, but Philip Hammond's budget could very easily have been delived by Gordon Brown. Not terribly impressed.

[dimots]

Andy Zarse said:

...but it is completely beyond the pail for normal people.

Oh dear. Please define 'normal people'. Do they have to wear brogues and bootcut jeans?

[Andy Zarse]

dimots said:

Andy Zarse said:

...but it is completely beyond the pail for normal people.

Oh dear. Please define 'normal people'. Do they have to wear brogues and bootcut jeans?

No I don't see why "normal people" should have to adhere to any particular form of attire. What are you aiming at here?

[Kermit power]

Andy Zarse said:

I'm sure if you had looked far enough down the ballot paper there would occasionally have been someone whose views braodly represented your own. Unfortunately the candidate was like as not wearing a funny hat, a giant rosette and Benny Hill glasses. Or in Paul Nuttall's case, dressed like someone on his way to a day at the races.

I think the problem is such folk are not remotely electable due to "personality issues" and the lack of any real political organisation behind them. This is the same quandary which faces Labour today. It has become a nice comfy "safe space" for assorted marxists and people with fauna in their beards and whose lives revolve around trade unionism, but it is completely beyond the pail for normal people.

I think you make a very good point about the opportunity to move politics back to its genuine centre. However I'm not seeing much sign of it so far to be honest. I know we need to get Brexit rolling, but Philip Hammond's budget could very easily have been delived by Gordon Brown. Not terribly impressed.

Once upon a time, it used to be the Conservative party when they stood for small government, low taxation and maximising opportunities for people to improve themselves. Sadly, they don't seem to do that any more, and not even UKIP and the other nutters really seem to find it fashionable either.

[AstonZagato]

The sensible media is dominated by the centre left. BBC/ITV/C4.

The right wing stuff is Daily Mail idiocy that no-one takes seriously unless they have had a blow to the head.

So the Tories are constrained how far right they can go without losing the media agenda.

[dimots]

Andy Zarse said:

No I don't see why "normal people" should have to adhere to any particular form of attire. What are you aiming at here?

Just wondering if your concept of what constitutes 'normal' stretches as far as clothing.

Saying that voting Labour is 'beyond the pail (sic)' for 'normal people' is ridiculous.

[Kermit power]

AstonZagato said:

The sensible media is dominated by the centre left. BBC/ITV/C4.

The right wing stuff is Daily Mail idiocy that no-one takes seriously unless they have had a blow to the head.

So the Tories are constrained how far right they can go without losing the media agenda.

That's true to an extent, of course, but when they're facing the most unpopular, poorly rated opposition leader since records began, they can surely push through quite a bit further at minimal risk?

[Burwood]

And tabled at PMQ's is a letter from a teacher by the name of Eileen.

[kiethton]

Burwood said:

And tabled at PMQ's is a letter from a teacher by the name of Eileen.

come on Eileen, it's not that bad....

[Burwood]

dimots said:

Andy Zarse said:

No I don't see why "normal people" should have to adhere to any particular form of attire. What are you aiming at here?

Just wondering if your concept of what constitutes 'normal' stretches as far as clothing.

Saying that voting Labour is 'beyond the pail (sic)' for 'normal people' is ridiculous.

I think he is spot on. There is nothing endearing about their policy. Actually what policy. A shambles. A joke.

[Andy Zarse]

dimots said:

Andy Zarse said:

No I don't see why "normal people" should have to adhere to any particular form of attire. What are you aiming at here?

Just wondering if your concept of what constitutes 'normal' stretches as far as clothing.

Saying that voting Labour is 'beyond the pail (sic)' for 'normal people' is ridiculous.

No definitely not a clothing based comment. I, for instance, am sat typing this wearing a lime green chiffon nightie, hobnail boots and a vulcanised rubber penis gourd.

I'm not sure I implied voting Labour was beyond the pail. Many people vote one way or another simply out of habit, and I make no comment on this. The point I was making was that I beleive your average man/woman/cross-dresser on the Clapham omnibus currently feels little to no affinity towards Labour. The recent polls reflect this. Back in Blair's day, when Labour had a mass market appeal, it was polling up to c59%. Today it's getting low 20's and still sinking. It's lost over half its customers, many of whom now see the party as a laughing stock.

The reason chiefly, in my view, is that support falls demonstrably the further left Labour pushes. Consequently its appeal is narrowing and the only really happy people in the party are sociology lecturers, frothing students, professional benefits folk and the sort of bitter life-failures who are also in Momentum. Well jolly good luck to them but this sort of thing holds no attraction to people who hold middle-of-the-road views. The UK is a small-c conservative country. Labour ignores this at its peril.

[dandarez]

Andy Zarse said:

dimots said:

Andy Zarse said:

No I don't see why "normal people" should have to adhere to any particular form of attire. What are you aiming at here?

Just wondering if your concept of what constitutes 'normal' stretches as far as clothing.

Saying that voting Labour is 'beyond the pail (sic)' for 'normal people' is ridiculous.

No definitely not a clothing based comment. I, for instance, am sat typing this wearing a lime green chiffon nightie, hobnail boots and a vulcanised rubber penis gourd.

I'm not sure I implied voting Labour was beyond the pail. Many people vote one way or another simply out of habit, and I make no comment on this. The point I was making was that I beleive your average man/woman/cross-dresser on the Clapham omnibus currently feels little to no affinity towards Labour. The recent polls reflect this. Back in Blair's day, when Labour had a mass market appeal, it was polling up to c59%. Today it's getting low 20's and still sinking. It's lost over half its customers, many of whom now see the party as a laughing stock.

The reason chiefly, in my view, is that support falls demonstrably the further left Labour pushes. Consequently its appeal is narrowing and the only really happy people in the party are sociology lecturers, frothing students, professional benefits folk and the sort of bitter life-failures who are also in Momentum. Well jolly good luck to them but this sort of thing holds no attraction to people who hold middle-of-the-road views. The UK is a small-c conservative country. Labour ignores this at its peril.

It's almost as blindingly obvious as that.
But they can't see it.






Thank god!

[The Don of Croy]

Andy Zarse said:

No definitely not a clothing based comment. I, for instance, am sat typing this wearing a lime green chiffon nightie, hobnail boots and a vulcanised rubber penis gourd.

Then what's on offer for 'dress-down-Friday'? No, don't answer that...

At the last GE didn't Dave Nellist and chums (some 'Socialist Union Party' or other) put candidates up at hundreds of constituencies? All cheerfully expecting the masses to sweep them into power 'cos that's just what the people had been waiting for.

Except it didn't happen. Not even close.

The revolutionary sixties hangover has been expunged from wider (mortgaged) society, it seems. Only those not working in enterprise (unions, lecturers, agitators and such) have the time to stress over this stuff. Boring times, politically, but whisper it - perhaps more grown up too.

[Rovinghawk]

Andy Zarse said:

I, for instance, am sat typing this wearing a lime green chiffon nightie, hobnail boots and a vulcanised rubber penis gourd.

And I want them back when you've finished with them.

[anonymous-user]

Andy Zarse said:

No definitely not a clothing based comment. I, for instance, am sat typing this wearing a lime green chiffon nightie, hobnail boots and a vulcanised rubber penis gourd.

Wow
So much eroticism in those words. Very exciting and stimulating

[BlackLabel]

A McCluskey victory should keep Corbyn in the top Labour job for at least another 12-18 months.

Unite leadership battle sees Labour factions line up against each other. Outcome of fraught contest for next general secretary of Britain’s biggest union could define direction of party

guardian said:

The incumbent, Len McCluskey, is the favourite having gained 1,185 branch nominations – five times more than his nearest challenger, Gerard Coyne, a senior Unite official from the West Midlands.

McCluskey is backed by those on the party’s left, such as Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell, who believe that his victory will ensure the left has some influence over Labour’s machinery and will be able to push through rule changes that could give them greater control.

[ChemicalChaos]

What happened to the movement to try and depose red Len at the ballot box?
Do they not realise they're exactly the sort of stinking cesspit of cronyism and unaccountability that they like to harp on about trying to bring down?