Missing Woman Sarah Everard

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carl_w said:

XCP said:

And you are suggesting they attempted to pervert the course of justice by warning him?

It's possible that "someone" warned him (maybe via the WhatsApp group) otherwise it seems a massive coincidence?

Possible, yes - but I would be surprised if forensics hadn't discovered it by now if that was the case.

More likely explanation is that he saw the level of investigation into Everards disappearance and twigged that his phone would have geo-data, and deleted it. I agree the timing is a coincidence but not beyond the realms of plausibility.

[Tom1312]

carl_w said:

it of a coincidence though if he didn't know the police were going to turn up?

More than likely they went into the address after they got phone work through to say it has dropped off the network and they risked losing evidence.

The idea that he was tipped off is abhorrent and realistically incredibly unlikely.

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Tom1312 said:

carl_w said:

it of a coincidence though if he didn't know the police were going to turn up?

More than likely they went into the address after they got phone work through to say it has dropped off the network and they risked losing evidence.

Hadn't thought of this but makes perfect sense.

[Greendubber]

Tom1312 said:

carl_w said:

it of a coincidence though if he didn't know the police were going to turn up?

More than likely they went into the address after they got phone work through to say it has dropped off the network and they risked losing evidence.

The idea that he was tipped off is abhorrent and realistically incredibly unlikely.

Yep.

[anonymous-user]

MrBogSmith said:

ot really.

I mean several officers are under investigation for WA messages so I'd imagine if someone was stupid enough to want to go to prison themselves, it'd have been uncovered if via that means.

that was a group including many, because he wiped his phone we will never know, but clearly the action of wiping his phone JUST before a raid, well the evidence on the phone was pertinent, to what? he had killed and used the phone for a while after killing.

I don't know many other criminals reported that have foresight to wipe a phone 30 minutes before a raid, must just be psychic?

[PurpleTurtle]

The Spruce Goose said:

MrBogSmith said:

ot really.

I mean several officers are under investigation for WA messages so I'd imagine if someone was stupid enough to want to go to prison themselves, it'd have been uncovered if via that means.

that was a group including many, because he wiped his phone we will never know, but clearly the action of wiping his phone JUST before a raid, well the evidence on the phone was pertinent, to what? he had killed and used the phone for a while after killing.

I don't know many other criminals reported that have foresight to wipe a phone 30 minutes before a raid, must just be psychic?

I don’t know how many times you need this pointing out to you but I’ll try one more time:

The case was all over the news
There were reports of her being sighted in a car (which he would have known would have been inevitably traced to him)
He lived in a residential area where he likely knew all comers
The Police were staking out his house.

He more than likely saw something that spooked him, so he did a factory reset.

Nothing more sinister than that. No tip off. No protection from lizard people. Nothing. Just a guilty man knowing that the net was drawing in.

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PurpleTurtle said:

I don’t know how many times you need this pointing out to you but I’ll try one more time:

The case was all over the news
There were reports of her being sighted in a car (which he would have known would have been inevitably traced to him)
He lived in a residential area where he likely knew all comers
The Police were staking out his house.

He more than likely saw something that spooked him, so he did a factory reset.

Nothing more sinister than that. No tip off. No protection from lizard people. Nothing. Just a guilty man knowing that the net was drawing in.

^^^^ This sounds the most likely explanation. Having killed Sarah he will have been hypersensitive with fear of being caught and would know how the police will work to catch him. With DNA, CCTV and Phone evidence the main tools used these days to catch criminals the one part he can alter to try to protect himself is the phone evidence. He cannot change the location history but he can remove photos (could have taken some during the crime) texts, messages and so on.

He would be absolutely alive to the police catching him and probably spent a lot of time looking out the window worrying what mistakes he had made. Any car parked up in the street not seen before would raise his senses. There's no need to go looking for a conspiracy theory when the simplest and most obvious explanation is in front of you.

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PurpleTurtle said:

The Spruce Goose said:

MrBogSmith said:

ot really.

I mean several officers are under investigation for WA messages so I'd imagine if someone was stupid enough to want to go to prison themselves, it'd have been uncovered if via that means.

that was a group including many, because he wiped his phone we will never know, but clearly the action of wiping his phone JUST before a raid, well the evidence on the phone was pertinent, to what? he had killed and used the phone for a while after killing.

I don't know many other criminals reported that have foresight to wipe a phone 30 minutes before a raid, must just be psychic?

I don’t know how many times you need this pointing out to you but I’ll try one more time:

The case was all over the news
There were reports of her being sighted in a car (which he would have known would have been inevitably traced to him)
He lived in a residential area where he likely knew all comers
The Police were staking out his house.

He more than likely saw something that spooked him, so he did a factory reset.

Nothing more sinister than that. No tip off. No protection from lizard people. Nothing. Just a guilty man knowing that the net was drawing in.

This is the most logical explanation. Or the earlier explanation that he was under digital surveillance by the Police and that him wiping his phone was enough to trigger a 'raid' to try and stop him destroying any more evidence.

But sadly it won't stop the loony Police hating armchair activists out there from insisting it must be due to something more nefarious.

[andyA700]

The Spruce Goose said:

that was a group including many, because he wiped his phone we will never know, but clearly the action of wiping his phone JUST before a raid, well the evidence on the phone was pertinent, to what? he had killed and used the phone for a while after killing.

I don't know many other criminals reported that have foresight to wipe a phone 30 minutes before a raid, must just be psychic?

I agree, far too much of a coincidence, particularly given the subsequent inmvestigations into the other officers.

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andyA700 said:

The Spruce Goose said:

that was a group including many, because he wiped his phone we will never know, but clearly the action of wiping his phone JUST before a raid, well the evidence on the phone was pertinent, to what? he had killed and used the phone for a while after killing.

I don't know many other criminals reported that have foresight to wipe a phone 30 minutes before a raid, must just be psychic?

I agree, far too much of a coincidence, particularly given the subsequent inmvestigations into the other officers.

Yep, just ignore the other rational explanations that have been given.. Because it's preferable to believe it's some kind of Police Corruption to try and protect a kidnapper, rapist and murderer.

Jeez

[N7GTX]

38911 said:

andyA700 said:

The Spruce Goose said:

that was a group including many, because he wiped his phone we will never know, but clearly the action of wiping his phone JUST before a raid, well the evidence on the phone was pertinent, to what? he had killed and used the phone for a while after killing.

I don't know many other criminals reported that have foresight to wipe a phone 30 minutes before a raid, must just be psychic?

I agree, far too much of a coincidence, particularly given the subsequent inmvestigations into the other officers.

Yep, just ignore the other rational explanations that have been given.. Because it's preferable to believe it's some kind of Police Corruption to try and protect a kidnapper, rapist and murderer.

Jeez

Agree, some of these replies are out of this world. Oh wait, that's where conspiracy theorists exist.

[Tom1312]

andyA700 said:

I agree, far too much of a coincidence, particularly given the subsequent inmvestigations into the other officers.

It really isn't.

Chances are they were using the phone to track him in conjunction with a physical surveillance team.

When the phone dropped off the network the SIO probably took half hour to get the update, write the policy and take the decision to arrest to prevent any further loss of evidence.

The odds of him knowing somebody on the investigation team, given he was a recent transfer to DPG are very slim. The idea that somebody in that team would tip him off? No chance.

I'd bet my pension against it.

From what I understand the people being investigated as a result of contact with him is down to the contents of WhatsApp groups etc not in relation to somebody tipping him off.

[untakenname]

Interesting video of the developments in the lead up to the crime and the subsequent arrest with footage I hadn't seen before

https://youtu.be/8zgpP_BCbSA


The one thing that gets me is that without the bus capturing his parked car he likely wouldn't have been caught, for someone who served as a Police officer he seems exceptionally dim as well by not covering his tracks.

[Pothole]

The Spruce Goose said:

I don't know many other criminals reported...

Correct. Yet you project scurrilous accusations onto Police officers based on that lack of knowledge? Interesting.

You ONLY know what's reported and, I'll wager, not all of that, unless you're an obsessive or you're researching a book.

[andyA700]

38911 said:

andyA700 said:

The Spruce Goose said:

that was a group including many, because he wiped his phone we will never know, but clearly the action of wiping his phone JUST before a raid, well the evidence on the phone was pertinent, to what? he had killed and used the phone for a while after killing.

I don't know many other criminals reported that have foresight to wipe a phone 30 minutes before a raid, must just be psychic?

I agree, far too much of a coincidence, particularly given the subsequent inmvestigations into the other officers.

Yep, just ignore the other rational explanations that have been given.. Because it's preferable to believe it's some kind of Police Corruption to try and protect a kidnapper, rapist and murderer.

Jeez

Yes, because Wayne Couzens was just a one off, wasn't he?

Oh, seems he wasn't just a one off. Incompetence or corruption, it seems to happen a lot.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/26-coll...

[Pothole]

andyA700 said:

Yes, because Wayne Couzens was just a one off, wasn't he?

Oh, seems he wasn't just a one off. Incompetence or corruption, it seems to happen a lot.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/26-coll...

Has anyone done the same FOIA request for any other organisation with a similar sized workforce? I doubt those figures are higher than average. "seems" "a lot" except maybe not, but with no context, assume away.

[anonymous-user]

untakenname said:

Interesting video of the developments in the lead up to the crime and the subsequent arrest with footage I hadn't seen before

https://youtu.be/8zgpP_BCbSA


The one thing that gets me is that without the bus capturing his parked car he likely wouldn't have been caught, for someone who served as a Police officer he seems exceptionally dim as well by not covering his tracks.

Interesting video, thanks for that.

I agree, considering it was clearly carefully planned (hire car, handcuff key and cellophane) he didn't do much to evade capture. I do believe there were other opportunities in the investigation which would have lead back to Couzens though albeit not a quickly as the CCTV.

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andyA700 said:

38911 said:

andyA700 said:

The Spruce Goose said:

that was a group including many, because he wiped his phone we will never know, but clearly the action of wiping his phone JUST before a raid, well the evidence on the phone was pertinent, to what? he had killed and used the phone for a while after killing.

I don't know many other criminals reported that have foresight to wipe a phone 30 minutes before a raid, must just be psychic?

I agree, far too much of a coincidence, particularly given the subsequent inmvestigations into the other officers.

Yep, just ignore the other rational explanations that have been given.. Because it's preferable to believe it's some kind of Police Corruption to try and protect a kidnapper, rapist and murderer.

Jeez

Yes, because Wayne Couzens was just a one off, wasn't he?

Oh, seems he wasn't just a one off. Incompetence or corruption, it seems to happen a lot.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/26-coll...

26 sex offences committed since 2016 by 33,000 Police Officers employed by the Met. I'd bet that's a much lower percentage of offenders than the general population.

26 is still 26 too many - and of course Police should be held to higher standards than the average. But to suggest "it happens a lot" just makes you look ignorant and lacking common sense.

[andyA700]

38911 said:

26 sex offences committed since 2016 by 33,000 Police Officers employed by the Met. I'd bet that's a much lower percentage of offenders than the general population.

26 is still 26 too many - and of course Police should be held to higher standards than the average. But to suggest "it happens a lot" just makes you look ignorant and lacking common sense.

In my thirty four years working for various firms, comprising tens of thousands of workers, I cannot remember a single incident where someone has been arrested and put away for sexual offences, not one and if it had happened people would know about it.

[LeadFarmer]

In more serious news, PC faces misconduct for not fully paying for two 50p packs of Jaffa cakes at the station tuck shop..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-588421...