Climate protesters block roads
Discussion
funkyrobot said:
She's now on the front of a magazine. A magazine probably made using lots of printing machines, paper based products and inks. Then the magazines are transported using fossil fuels to various locations.
Such a good climate activist.
To be fair, I don't know what is worse. The agenda of the people pushing her or the agendas of all the luvvies her take her s
t on board.
Firstly a disclaimer, I despise XR and everything they stand for, their secret agenda, and their methods. However on a purely theoretical level...Such a good climate activist.
To be fair, I don't know what is worse. The agenda of the people pushing her or the agendas of all the luvvies her take her s
t on board.I fundamentally disagree with what you’re saying
She’s not a massive jet setting globe trotting hypocrite and she’s visibly making sacrifices to embody her values and show that individuals can make changes
I’m not saying I agree with her values or message but it is stupid to say that an environmental activist who gets their message into print is a hypocrite for using printed media to propagate the message, how should she do it then?
The same for criticism of Emma Thompson. These people bring great publicity to the cause. It would not be practical for someone like that to help a cause like that and take a multiweek boat trip so it’s a jet and massive publicity or no publicity. She should have flown coach admittedly. amongst the sniggering of those who refuse to acknowledge a problem or refuse to act, there was also a great raising of the profile of the cause
It’s hardly in the league of the XR person who said air travel should only be used for emergencies and then posted pics of them skiing and in NZ on insta. There needs to be a proportionality between the harm caused by the activity that does good before just laughing and nit picking at people who, for whatever reason are trying to make a difference in the world.
jakesmith said:
I’m not saying I agree with her values or message but it is stupid to say that an environmental activist who gets their message into print is a hypocrite for using printed media to propagate the message, how should she do it then?
GQ's circulation (US + UK) was about ~1m in 2006. I'd be surprised if it hadn't gone down since thenI think it's quite possible to have broader reach and less carbon emissions by doing it solely online
jakesmith said:
funkyrobot said:
She's now on the front of a magazine. A magazine probably made using lots of printing machines, paper based products and inks. Then the magazines are transported using fossil fuels to various locations.
Such a good climate activist.
To be fair, I don't know what is worse. The agenda of the people pushing her or the agendas of all the luvvies her take her st on board.
Firstly a disclaimer, I despise XR and everything they stand for, their secret agenda, and their methods. However on a purely theoretical level...Such a good climate activist.
To be fair, I don't know what is worse. The agenda of the people pushing her or the agendas of all the luvvies her take her s
t on board.I fundamentally disagree with what you’re saying
She’s not a massive jet setting globe trotting hypocrite and she’s visibly making sacrifices to embody her values and show that individuals can make changes
I’m not saying I agree with her values or message but it is stupid to say that an environmental activist who gets their message into print is a hypocrite for using printed media to propagate the message, how should she do it then?
The same for criticism of Emma Thompson. These people bring great publicity to the cause. It would not be practical for someone like that to help a cause like that and take a multiweek boat trip so it’s a jet and massive publicity or no publicity. She should have flown coach admittedly. amongst the sniggering of those who refuse to acknowledge a problem or refuse to act, there was also a great raising of the profile of the cause
It’s hardly in the league of the XR person who said air travel should only be used for emergencies and then posted pics of them skiing and in NZ on insta. There needs to be a proportionality between the harm caused by the activity that does good before just laughing and nit picking at people who, for whatever reason are trying to make a difference in the world.
Randy Winkman said:
Exactly. Some people are going to moan about anything she does and miss the point completely. Her point is to raise awareness and she can do that much better by travelling the world. But her point isn't to have all of the answers like some internet forum geek who thinks they know everything. There are more than enough of them already.
I get the nasty feeling she's just a convenient figurehead who'll be discarded as soon as she's no longer valuable to their cause. The article I (and others) linked recently gives a harrowing insight to her personal struggles. I find it abhorrent that she's being exploited to further a cause, no matter how noble it may be. I'm sure she's fully on board with it, which is where I struggle - but shouldn't the adults be putting her welfare above the cause?
mcdjl said:
REALIST123 said:
I do hope she turns out to be a poor sailor.
I don't. The search and rescue effort will be enormous.....and come with one hell of a carbon foot print.I hope she spends 2 weeks with her head overboard spewing! she'll then be thankful for fossil fuel powered air travel on her return trip and a nice toilet to take a crap instead of a bucket
The hypocrisy of these eco warriors is as enormous as the solar flares causing the warming effect in the first place.
It's far from a noble cause though those pursuing it for their various ends like to present as being with the angels and will be pleased no doubt if others grant them that undeserved semtiment. Naturally some will believe they deserve it in a genuine sort of way while others will do so with genuinely fake sincerity.
When Prof Deepak Lal delivered the inaugural Julian L. Simon Memorial Lecture in New Delhi he correctly pointed out that the green movement is the latest manifestation of the various secular religions in the West which have taken over following the decline in Christianity. The spiritual vacuum so created, argued Lal, is being filled by the secular religion of climate change. Lal indicated that these new crusades would be ruinous for poor countries and hold their people in poverty for longer than necessary.
Closer to home Labour Lord Donoughue has indicated how the political Left latched onto climate change like a drowning man clutching at a lifebelt, using the environment as a figleaf for their traditional 'struggles' regarding class warfare and anti-corporatism.
The former co-leader and co-founder of Greenpeace Dr Moore, who is slowly being airbrushed out of Greenpeace's history (by Greenpeace) as a result of his honesty, points out that after Greenham Common, the Berlin Wall and other relatively recent moments in history which lost some people and some mystics their cherished cause, extremists and ultra-leftists have latched onto the envronmental agenda and taken it over, while abandoning science and logic to push their ideology. Just believe.
When Prof Deepak Lal delivered the inaugural Julian L. Simon Memorial Lecture in New Delhi he correctly pointed out that the green movement is the latest manifestation of the various secular religions in the West which have taken over following the decline in Christianity. The spiritual vacuum so created, argued Lal, is being filled by the secular religion of climate change. Lal indicated that these new crusades would be ruinous for poor countries and hold their people in poverty for longer than necessary.
Closer to home Labour Lord Donoughue has indicated how the political Left latched onto climate change like a drowning man clutching at a lifebelt, using the environment as a figleaf for their traditional 'struggles' regarding class warfare and anti-corporatism.
The former co-leader and co-founder of Greenpeace Dr Moore, who is slowly being airbrushed out of Greenpeace's history (by Greenpeace) as a result of his honesty, points out that after Greenham Common, the Berlin Wall and other relatively recent moments in history which lost some people and some mystics their cherished cause, extremists and ultra-leftists have latched onto the envronmental agenda and taken it over, while abandoning science and logic to push their ideology. Just believe.
turbobloke said:
It's far from a noble cause though those pursuing it for their various ends like to present as being with the angels and will be pleased no doubt if others grant them that undeserved semtiment. Naturally some will believe they deserve it in a genuine sort of way while others will do so with genuinely fake sincerity.
When Prof Deepak Lal delivered the inaugural Julian L. Simon Memorial Lecture in New Delhi he correctly pointed out that the green movement is the latest manifestation of the various secular religions in the West which have taken over following the decline in Christianity. The spiritual vacuum so created, argued Lal, is being filled by the secular religion of climate change. Lal indicated that these new crusades would be ruinous for poor countries and hold their people in poverty for longer than necessary.
Closer to home Labour Lord Donoughue has indicated how the political Left latched onto climate change like a drowning man clutching at a lifebelt, using the environment as a figleaf for their traditional 'struggles' regarding class warfare and anti-corporatism.
The former co-leader and co-founder of Greenpeace Dr Moore, who is slowly being airbrushed out of Greenpeace's history (by Greenpeace) as a result of his honesty, points out that after Greenham Common, the Berlin Wall and other relatively recent moments in history which lost some people and some mystics their cherished cause, extremists and ultra-leftists have latched onto the envronmental agenda and taken it over, while abandoning science and logic to push their ideology. Just believe.
our new green god must not be questioned.When Prof Deepak Lal delivered the inaugural Julian L. Simon Memorial Lecture in New Delhi he correctly pointed out that the green movement is the latest manifestation of the various secular religions in the West which have taken over following the decline in Christianity. The spiritual vacuum so created, argued Lal, is being filled by the secular religion of climate change. Lal indicated that these new crusades would be ruinous for poor countries and hold their people in poverty for longer than necessary.
Closer to home Labour Lord Donoughue has indicated how the political Left latched onto climate change like a drowning man clutching at a lifebelt, using the environment as a figleaf for their traditional 'struggles' regarding class warfare and anti-corporatism.
The former co-leader and co-founder of Greenpeace Dr Moore, who is slowly being airbrushed out of Greenpeace's history (by Greenpeace) as a result of his honesty, points out that after Greenham Common, the Berlin Wall and other relatively recent moments in history which lost some people and some mystics their cherished cause, extremists and ultra-leftists have latched onto the envronmental agenda and taken it over, while abandoning science and logic to push their ideology. Just believe.
V1nce Fox said:
turbobloke said:
It's far from a noble cause though those pursuing it for their various ends like to present as being with the angels and will be pleased no doubt if others grant them that undeserved semtiment. Naturally some will believe they deserve it in a genuine sort of way while others will do so with genuinely fake sincerity.
When Prof Deepak Lal delivered the inaugural Julian L. Simon Memorial Lecture in New Delhi he correctly pointed out that the green movement is the latest manifestation of the various secular religions in the West which have taken over following the decline in Christianity. The spiritual vacuum so created, argued Lal, is being filled by the secular religion of climate change. Lal indicated that these new crusades would be ruinous for poor countries and hold their people in poverty for longer than necessary.
Closer to home Labour Lord Donoughue has indicated how the political Left latched onto climate change like a drowning man clutching at a lifebelt, using the environment as a figleaf for their traditional 'struggles' regarding class warfare and anti-corporatism.
The former co-leader and co-founder of Greenpeace Dr Moore, who is slowly being airbrushed out of Greenpeace's history (by Greenpeace) as a result of his honesty, points out that after Greenham Common, the Berlin Wall and other relatively recent moments in history which lost some people and some mystics their cherished cause, extremists and ultra-leftists have latched onto the envronmental agenda and taken it over, while abandoning science and logic to push their ideology. Just believe.
our new green god must not be questioned.When Prof Deepak Lal delivered the inaugural Julian L. Simon Memorial Lecture in New Delhi he correctly pointed out that the green movement is the latest manifestation of the various secular religions in the West which have taken over following the decline in Christianity. The spiritual vacuum so created, argued Lal, is being filled by the secular religion of climate change. Lal indicated that these new crusades would be ruinous for poor countries and hold their people in poverty for longer than necessary.
Closer to home Labour Lord Donoughue has indicated how the political Left latched onto climate change like a drowning man clutching at a lifebelt, using the environment as a figleaf for their traditional 'struggles' regarding class warfare and anti-corporatism.
The former co-leader and co-founder of Greenpeace Dr Moore, who is slowly being airbrushed out of Greenpeace's history (by Greenpeace) as a result of his honesty, points out that after Greenham Common, the Berlin Wall and other relatively recent moments in history which lost some people and some mystics their cherished cause, extremists and ultra-leftists have latched onto the envronmental agenda and taken it over, while abandoning science and logic to push their ideology. Just believe.
turbobloke said:
It's far from a noble cause though those pursuing it for their various ends like to present as being with the angels and will be pleased no doubt if others grant them that undeserved semtiment. Naturally some will believe they deserve it in a genuine sort of way while others will do so with genuinely fake sincerity.
When Prof Deepak Lal delivered the inaugural Julian L. Simon Memorial Lecture in New Delhi he correctly pointed out that the green movement is the latest manifestation of the various secular religions in the West which have taken over following the decline in Christianity. The spiritual vacuum so created, argued Lal, is being filled by the secular religion of climate change. Lal indicated that these new crusades would be ruinous for poor countries and hold their people in poverty for longer than necessary.
Closer to home Labour Lord Donoughue has indicated how the political Left latched onto climate change like a drowning man clutching at a lifebelt, using the environment as a figleaf for their traditional 'struggles' regarding class warfare and anti-corporatism.
The former co-leader and co-founder of Greenpeace Dr Moore, who is slowly being airbrushed out of Greenpeace's history (by Greenpeace) as a result of his honesty, points out that after Greenham Common, the Berlin Wall and other relatively recent moments in history which lost some people and some mystics their cherished cause, extremists and ultra-leftists have latched onto the envronmental agenda and taken it over, while abandoning science and logic to push their ideology. Just believe.
I’m not disputing that, she may be deluded, wrong, abused etc, my argument is solely that you can hardly criticise her for hypocrisy for getting her message in a printed publication. Better that, in terms of positive environmental impact, than an interview with some old tosspiece from a band in the 80’s or whatever they would have printed instead When Prof Deepak Lal delivered the inaugural Julian L. Simon Memorial Lecture in New Delhi he correctly pointed out that the green movement is the latest manifestation of the various secular religions in the West which have taken over following the decline in Christianity. The spiritual vacuum so created, argued Lal, is being filled by the secular religion of climate change. Lal indicated that these new crusades would be ruinous for poor countries and hold their people in poverty for longer than necessary.
Closer to home Labour Lord Donoughue has indicated how the political Left latched onto climate change like a drowning man clutching at a lifebelt, using the environment as a figleaf for their traditional 'struggles' regarding class warfare and anti-corporatism.
The former co-leader and co-founder of Greenpeace Dr Moore, who is slowly being airbrushed out of Greenpeace's history (by Greenpeace) as a result of his honesty, points out that after Greenham Common, the Berlin Wall and other relatively recent moments in history which lost some people and some mystics their cherished cause, extremists and ultra-leftists have latched onto the envronmental agenda and taken it over, while abandoning science and logic to push their ideology. Just believe.
jakesmith said:
turbobloke said:
It's far from a noble cause though those pursuing it for their various ends like to present as being with the angels and will be pleased no doubt if others grant them that undeserved semtiment. Naturally some will believe they deserve it in a genuine sort of way while others will do so with genuinely fake sincerity.
When Prof Deepak Lal delivered the inaugural Julian L. Simon Memorial Lecture in New Delhi he correctly pointed out that the green movement is the latest manifestation of the various secular religions in the West which have taken over following the decline in Christianity. The spiritual vacuum so created, argued Lal, is being filled by the secular religion of climate change. Lal indicated that these new crusades would be ruinous for poor countries and hold their people in poverty for longer than necessary.
Closer to home Labour Lord Donoughue has indicated how the political Left latched onto climate change like a drowning man clutching at a lifebelt, using the environment as a figleaf for their traditional 'struggles' regarding class warfare and anti-corporatism.
The former co-leader and co-founder of Greenpeace Dr Moore, who is slowly being airbrushed out of Greenpeace's history (by Greenpeace) as a result of his honesty, points out that after Greenham Common, the Berlin Wall and other relatively recent moments in history which lost some people and some mystics their cherished cause, extremists and ultra-leftists have latched onto the envronmental agenda and taken it over, while abandoning science and logic to push their ideology. Just believe.
I’m not disputing that, she may be deluded, wrong, abused etc, my argument is solely that you can hardly criticise her for hypocrisy for getting her message in a printed publication. Better that, in terms of positive environmental impact, than an interview with some old tosspiece from a band in the 80’s or whatever they would have printed instead When Prof Deepak Lal delivered the inaugural Julian L. Simon Memorial Lecture in New Delhi he correctly pointed out that the green movement is the latest manifestation of the various secular religions in the West which have taken over following the decline in Christianity. The spiritual vacuum so created, argued Lal, is being filled by the secular religion of climate change. Lal indicated that these new crusades would be ruinous for poor countries and hold their people in poverty for longer than necessary.
Closer to home Labour Lord Donoughue has indicated how the political Left latched onto climate change like a drowning man clutching at a lifebelt, using the environment as a figleaf for their traditional 'struggles' regarding class warfare and anti-corporatism.
The former co-leader and co-founder of Greenpeace Dr Moore, who is slowly being airbrushed out of Greenpeace's history (by Greenpeace) as a result of his honesty, points out that after Greenham Common, the Berlin Wall and other relatively recent moments in history which lost some people and some mystics their cherished cause, extremists and ultra-leftists have latched onto the envronmental agenda and taken it over, while abandoning science and logic to push their ideology. Just believe.
Randy Winkman said:
jakesmith said:
turbobloke said:
It's far from a noble cause though those pursuing it for their various ends like to present as being with the angels and will be pleased no doubt if others grant them that undeserved semtiment. Naturally some will believe they deserve it in a genuine sort of way while others will do so with genuinely fake sincerity.
When Prof Deepak Lal delivered the inaugural Julian L. Simon Memorial Lecture in New Delhi he correctly pointed out that the green movement is the latest manifestation of the various secular religions in the West which have taken over following the decline in Christianity. The spiritual vacuum so created, argued Lal, is being filled by the secular religion of climate change. Lal indicated that these new crusades would be ruinous for poor countries and hold their people in poverty for longer than necessary.
Closer to home Labour Lord Donoughue has indicated how the political Left latched onto climate change like a drowning man clutching at a lifebelt, using the environment as a figleaf for their traditional 'struggles' regarding class warfare and anti-corporatism.
The former co-leader and co-founder of Greenpeace Dr Moore, who is slowly being airbrushed out of Greenpeace's history (by Greenpeace) as a result of his honesty, points out that after Greenham Common, the Berlin Wall and other relatively recent moments in history which lost some people and some mystics their cherished cause, extremists and ultra-leftists have latched onto the envronmental agenda and taken it over, while abandoning science and logic to push their ideology. Just believe.
I’m not disputing that, she may be deluded, wrong, abused etc, my argument is solely that you can hardly criticise her for hypocrisy for getting her message in a printed publication. Better that, in terms of positive environmental impact, than an interview with some old tosspiece from a band in the 80’s or whatever they would have printed instead When Prof Deepak Lal delivered the inaugural Julian L. Simon Memorial Lecture in New Delhi he correctly pointed out that the green movement is the latest manifestation of the various secular religions in the West which have taken over following the decline in Christianity. The spiritual vacuum so created, argued Lal, is being filled by the secular religion of climate change. Lal indicated that these new crusades would be ruinous for poor countries and hold their people in poverty for longer than necessary.
Closer to home Labour Lord Donoughue has indicated how the political Left latched onto climate change like a drowning man clutching at a lifebelt, using the environment as a figleaf for their traditional 'struggles' regarding class warfare and anti-corporatism.
The former co-leader and co-founder of Greenpeace Dr Moore, who is slowly being airbrushed out of Greenpeace's history (by Greenpeace) as a result of his honesty, points out that after Greenham Common, the Berlin Wall and other relatively recent moments in history which lost some people and some mystics their cherished cause, extremists and ultra-leftists have latched onto the envronmental agenda and taken it over, while abandoning science and logic to push their ideology. Just believe.
jakesmith said:
I’m not disputing that, she may be deluded, wrong, abused etc, my argument is solely that you can hardly criticise her for hypocrisy for getting her message in a printed publication. Better that, in terms of positive environmental impact, than an interview with some old tosspiece from a band in the 80’s or whatever they would have printed instead
Yes I can. Because that is what it is. A bunch of hypocrites pushing their agenda via a vulnerable child. This whole thing amounts to child abuse and the only reason it is allowed is because it's a 'climate emergency'.The poor girl looked terrible on that boat. The people behind her are a bunch of sick, hypocritical a
holes who have nothing better to do than tell us how we should live our lives.No way in hell would I let anyone treat my daughter like this. Her parents need a stern word with themselves.
funkyrobot said:
Yes I can. Because that is what it is. A bunch of hypocrites pushing their agenda via a vulnerable child. This whole thing amounts to child abuse and the only reason it is allowed is because it's a 'climate emergency'.
The poor girl looked terrible on that boat. The people behind her are a bunch of sick, hypocritical aholes who have nothing better to do than tell us how we should live our lives.
No way in hell would I let anyone treat my daughter like this. Her parents need a stern word with themselves.
You don't think she's delighted with all the attention? The parents seem the type. The only surprise is that Lucas didn't list her in the inclusive emergency government. Give it time though. The poor girl looked terrible on that boat. The people behind her are a bunch of sick, hypocritical a
holes who have nothing better to do than tell us how we should live our lives.No way in hell would I let anyone treat my daughter like this. Her parents need a stern word with themselves.
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