Police in search for missing 5 year old

Police in search for missing 5 year old

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BoRED S2upid

19,831 posts

242 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Grenoble said:
dandarez said:
I can see, and agree, with the introduction of it to prevent the Gene Hunt beating the f... out of the suspect.

But the diddums sleep deprivation of a suspect, while a 5-year-old victim could be left out in the wilds of night part loses me I'm afraid.
Question is, whe do you draw the line?
Water Boarding is it called? the Americans are fans of it.

VoziKaoFangio

8,202 posts

153 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Grenoble said:
dandarez said:
I can see, and agree, with the introduction of it to prevent the Gene Hunt beating the f... out of the suspect.

But the diddums sleep deprivation of a suspect, while a 5-year-old victim could be left out in the wilds of night part loses me I'm afraid.
Question is, whe do you draw the line?
Well, it wouldn't be a bad place to start to say that if some victim/missing person's life is in the balance/at risk, then certain procedures such as the 8 hour break could be withdrawn from the questioning of a suspect.

Twincam16

27,646 posts

260 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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dandarez said:
I can see, and agree, with the introduction of it to prevent the Gene Hunt beating the f... out of the suspect.

But the diddums sleep deprivation of a suspect, while a 5-year-old victim could be left out in the wilds of night part loses me I'm afraid.
Beating them up, depriving them of sleep and food - what's the difference really?

If you're banged up without so much as a glass of water for 12 hours and questioned until your tongue is rattling around in your mouth, I reckon you'd say anything just to get your hands on one.

Just because they've let him out for a meal and a nap doesn't mean that he'll be let off the hook - he's under arrest, they can continue to question him in a few hours.

Also, when deprived of sleep, your recollection of events starts to get hazy and confused. You lose track of times and order of events. Sometimes allowing them to sleep on it makes for better evidence. Doesn't mean they stop searching for her.

Twincam16

27,646 posts

260 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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VoziKaoFangio said:
Grenoble said:
dandarez said:
I can see, and agree, with the introduction of it to prevent the Gene Hunt beating the f... out of the suspect.

But the diddums sleep deprivation of a suspect, while a 5-year-old victim could be left out in the wilds of night part loses me I'm afraid.
Question is, whe do you draw the line?
Well, it wouldn't be a bad place to start to say that if some victim/missing person's life is in the balance/at risk, then certain procedures such as the 8 hour break could be withdrawn from the questioning of a suspect.
They can withdraw it, with permission of the Justice Secretary.

If they haven't withdrawn it, then I suspect they have enough evidence to continue the search, and the man's recall of events is more important to the investigation than the kind of immediate and precise details that might be required in, say, an armed hostage situation.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

206 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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dandarez said:
I can see, and agree, with the introduction of it to prevent the Gene Hunt beating the f... out of the suspect.

But the diddums sleep deprivation of a suspect, while a 5-year-old victim could be left out in the wilds of night part loses me I'm afraid.
Okay supose she is dead

Lets kick the crap out of him

He gets let off scott free by his lawyer

He kills another child


Good outcome?

Rollcage

11,327 posts

194 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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News conference at 12:30

y2blade

56,193 posts

217 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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This is the topic right now on BBC R2 frown


Puggit

48,571 posts

250 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Rollcage said:
News conference at 12:30
I think that's the parents making an appeal.

Shaw Tarse

31,546 posts

205 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Puggit said:
Rollcage said:
News conference at 12:30
I think that's the parents making an appeal.
yes

gtdc

4,259 posts

285 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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An appeal to who? If the chap is in custody.

VoziKaoFangio

8,202 posts

153 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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gtdc said:
An appeal to who? If the chap is in custody.
Well, perhaps he "delivered" her alive to someone else.

Puggit

48,571 posts

250 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Police now asking for amateur searchers again...

Grenoble

51,014 posts

157 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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gtdc said:
An appeal to who? If the chap is in custody.
A suspect is in custody. Who says he hasn't got an accomplice? Or that he abducted her and passed her on? etc.

All you can say is one suspect that the police wanted to talk with is in custody.

P-Jay

10,645 posts

193 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Puggit said:
Police now asking for amateur searchers again...
That might be positive, you can trust well meaning amateurs to find a little girl tied up or in a remote campsite, but perhaps you'd rather not have them marching about if you're main concern is finding DNA evidence for a conviction?

Fingers crossed, there's still time for a positive outcome.

WCZ

10,593 posts

196 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Bluebarge said:
That's rather the point. He isn't guilty, he is just a suspect, the police don't have enough evidence to charge him otherwise they would have done so already. Even if they do charge him he is not guilty until that evidence is tested in court and the jury find him so.
true but to release his photo as well as name him publicly they must of had good evidence towards his involvement?

birdcage

2,845 posts

207 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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I often wonder what happens during questiong, I seem to rember Roy Whiting said nothing but no comment during his leading the police to convict on the strength of the evidence, I could be wrong.

If he was guily and she was alive somewhere would he not be more inclined to own up to mitigate any sentence?

As a parent of kids the same age its incomprehensible to understand what they must be going through

WCZ

10,593 posts

196 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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birdcage said:
I often wonder what happens during questiong, I seem to rember Roy Whiting said nothing but no comment during his leading the police to convict on the strength of the evidence, I could be wrong.

If he was guily and she was alive somewhere would he not be more inclined to own up to mitigate any sentence?

As a parent of kids the same age its incomprehensible to understand what they must be going through
I think you'll find most lawyers advise their clients to 'no comment' through questioning.

Puggit

48,571 posts

250 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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WCZ said:
Bluebarge said:
That's rather the point. He isn't guilty, he is just a suspect, the police don't have enough evidence to charge him otherwise they would have done so already. Even if they do charge him he is not guilty until that evidence is tested in court and the jury find him so.
true but to release his photo as well as name him publicly they must of had good evidence towards his involvement?
Either that or are extremely desperate.

I personally feel that the police know a lot, maybe even so far as having found the girl already and are trying to tie up loose ends to nail the conviction. This is very much a backwater police force - as my (welsh) mother always says: "they do things differently here"

Puggit

48,571 posts

250 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Apparently the suspect gave April a lift 2 days before she vanished. That's going to negate an awful lot of evidence from the vehicle.

Rollcage

11,327 posts

194 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Puggit said:
Either that or are extremely desperate.

I personally feel that the police know a lot, maybe even so far as having found the girl already and are trying to tie up loose ends to nail the conviction. This is very much a backwater police force - as my (welsh) mother always says: "they do things differently here"
Seriously? I mean, seriously?