No charges for Missouri cop who shot unarmed teenager
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One things for sure, the police officer did not go to work that day wanting to shoot someone.
A sad day for the guy who got killed and the police officer.
I'm sure we have all seen videos of american police where they could of shot someone, but did not.
It's very easy to sit and watch video and say ' he should of done this and that'.
A video from manchester police, the young men were very very lucky;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehzq9OdE2w0
A sad day for the guy who got killed and the police officer.
I'm sure we have all seen videos of american police where they could of shot someone, but did not.
It's very easy to sit and watch video and say ' he should of done this and that'.
A video from manchester police, the young men were very very lucky;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehzq9OdE2w0
Murph7355 said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
Shooting probably justified. If someone that size was about to thump me and I had a gun in my hand it may well end up going bang. Question is whether regardless of it being justified or not are there tactics and methodology (two man crews, better self defence training, a different tone of engagement etc) where shootings like this can be avoided?
I'm no expert, but if you do not want to be restrained it's very easy to make it take far more than two people to restrain you, even if they are of comparable size (and I know this from a purely fun context - rugby. My stag do 
). Let alone 30% bigger and high on at least adrenaline. Two man crews wouldn't therefore make a difference in scenarios like this.
And if it took 7 rounds to stop him, I'm not sure even Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee armed with the world's biggest taser and can of mace would have made that much difference either. The stuff we see on fictional TV shows bears zero resemblance to real life IMO. Which is probably why we are "shocked" when we see people getting shot on real life TV or the activities you see on YouTube.
It's trying to tool up for the worst outcomes that prompts the police in the US to arm themselves per the pictures that others were scorning on this thread. Perhaps if some of the f
kwit population weren't so intent on robbing, being violent towards their fellow citizens and attacking the police, things wouldn't get this way either?Tannedbaldhead said:
Rioting? Justified? I couldn't comfortably say that. What I can say is that from the perspective of the communities subjected to a confrontational approach from police and who's members are taking a lot of beatings and shootings it serves a purpose. It raises the public profile and makes the political class uncomfortable. Should it result in a different Policing approach, different training, different tactics, a less confrontational tone of engagement then justified or not, from the perpective of the communities suffering poor policing, rioting works.
It does nothing of the sort IMO. It simply adds to the resolve of those that don't want to behave this way, nor want to have their taxes contribute towards people who cannot behave themselves in a liberal society, dig their heels in.Perhaps if the communities subjected this way took it upon themselves to weed out the f
kwit fraternity, things would actually change for the better far, far quicker? But all too often there are sections of these communities that will try and justify the unjustifiable.In trashing their own neighbourhoods the only people these idiots are hurting are themselves. The communities need to rise against this, not join in! Maybe if the rest of society simply said "enough's enough" and left them to the squalor they have created for themselves they would learn.
Tannedbaldhead said:
As to your question regarding how many police engagements are of this confrontational nature you need to be aware many USPDs have recruit from services policies and new starts are trained as such https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3NlnBixyqE . I wonder how many of our own BiBs look upon the interactions these rookies are having with the Full Metal Jacket wanabe drill sergeants as good training for interaction with the general public? When you see how modern US cops are conditioned it's no surprise to see where their "don't you eyeball me boy" term of initial engagement and lack of sensitivity comes from. It's not bad apples. It's systemic.
Fortunately the UK is still a little way off the US in many respects. Though we seem hell bent on emulating the US of A.US immigration is another example where our respective agencies behave very differently. I guess it's born of different attitudes on key social policies for better and for worse.
The key thing is, if everyone knows this then the rules of the game (which is precisely what society is) are well understood. You then either choose to live within them or not. If you do, life will generally be smooth (the odd anecodtal exception granted). If you don't, you'll find yourself rubbing up against its boundaries all the time and that might have dire consequences.
It's the same the world over. Though there are plenty of places that choose where the boundaries are set different (again, plenty much harsher, plenty much more lenient).
What is also the same the world over is that respect for the rule of law and its officers needs to be a given by default for society to be tolerable (which isn't to say the officers are above the law either). You don't feck about with the police. You stay polite, and do as they ask (within the law!). Then the vast majority of times you will be fine. Start getting lippy, let alone physically attacking them, and you're on a very slippery slope.
h crouching to urinate. He challanged the officer to find the alleged jobby and added "and if you canny tell the difference between a ste and a pish you'll never make detective". A good British policeman would come back with an equally cutting line a bad cop may get gobby. In the wrong part of the USA that cheeky wee line could have you flat on your face with you'r hands cuffed behind your back and that's wrong. ',
My encounter with the Police was while riding in Utah with guys from Brekenridge CO, some English lads and a couple of Norwegians . The guys were crowd of nutters (hard core snowboarder dirt-biker types who were pretty "out there" on the trails. We were on full-sus disc-braked carbonfibre and light alloy mountain bikes. Because I was riding slick rock I was running fat sticky high pressure slick tyres (Specialised Fat Boys). On the way back from the trails to our campsite we rode on roads very similar to Alpine passes. The bikes' set up were incredibly fast on the road and the mountainbike geometry, big fat slicks and disc brakes allowed us to barrel into hairpins, brake hard and crank the bike over into suicidal lean angles much the way I could on my motorbike.
I've ridden like that in Italian and French Alps without anyone raising an eyebrow and no-one would even think of calling the Police. Problem with Utah is the locals are quite nutty and vigilantiesque when they see anyone break the law. Next problem is Utah cops take very seriously the complaints of said vigilante nutters. The main breach of the law was that approaches to the switchbacks were 20 limits and we were steaming in at twice that speed and then some.
First contact with the police which I witnessed was when they came to the campsite. This wasn't like the quiet word you'd get from Central Scotland Police. According to these boys we could be in serious trouble. Because we were from abroad and out of state they were threatening us with Jail time and interacted with a general tone of threat and malice. I remember a cop getting very nasty with one guy who pointed out we didn't have speedometers. Lesson learned there was "no back talking" and that back talking was saying anything to the police while they told you off. The cops were confrontational, threatening, unpleasant and in a way very stereotypical. They really say stuff like "who do you think you guys are coming to our country and treating our roads like racetracks or the Autobhan".
Second contact with Police was nasty. We ignored the warnings and continued our high speed decents. As we came round a corner we noticed a cop car sitting in a lay-by further down the hill. After the first bking we decided to bypass the car by taking out mountainbikes off road and into the trails. Back at the site we were tugged, seached, cuffed taken to the station where we told that as we had been warned about our crimes, knew we were guilty and bodyswerved the Police car at the bottom of the hill we were guilty of Police obstruction and felony fleeing. The cops also told us that could get us shot in the back. We were told to leave the area and not come back. We were told in a way that we did what we were told.
It's not like the UK over there. And you don't threaten tourists with jail and gunshot wounds for riding pushbikes too fast.
I am stunned. You post this, and then expect to be taken seriously?
So you've got a fancy mountain bike. Big deal, having fancy stuff does not absolve you from being bound by the law! Or are you seriously suggesting that Ferrari drivers should be exempt from speed limits just because they have a fast car.
Your attitude stinks, and frankly I wish they had locked you up after your second transgression given how blatantly you disrespected the police and chose to ignore the warning that was clearly given.
Lord knows I am no fan of the BiB, any visit to the SPL forum over the past 10 years will show you that, but they do have a difficult job to do, and aholes like you make it infinitely more difficult. Why should they be nice to people like you? You're just gonna ignore them anyway. Its interesting that you finally got yhe message only after they had detained your sorry arse!
Hundreds of US Police officers lose their lives every year, policing a population in which the bad guys come in all shapes, sizes and ages, and who are frequently better armed than the Police they face. Your comments about focussing like a laser on the Police during some good rioting, and your thoroughly nauseating views on the troubles in NI are the final proof ( if any were needed) that you have not got the first clue what you are talking about.
I tell you what, nip down to Sainsburys and buy a couple of boxes of All Bran and a dozen tins of beans..... Lets see if what comes out of your arse makes any more sense than what goes on in your head.
Tannedbaldhead said:
Jimbeaux said:
So, your encounter, were you in the wrong? We're shot? Beat up? Threatened? Just checking.
Was I in the wrong? Probably but the reaction was way out of proportion and threatening in tone. I used to mountain bike a lot in Colorado and Utah on the Rocky Mountain forest trails and on the slick-rock in Canyonland. I'd stay in ski resorts off season in the summer where, before mountain biking became popular, you could have an incredibly cheap holiday. My encounter with the Police was while riding in Utah with guys from Brekenridge CO, some English lads and a couple of Norwegians . The guys were crowd of nutters (hard core snowboarder dirt-biker types who were pretty "out there" on the trails. We were on full-sus disc-braked carbonfibre and light alloy mountain bikes. Because I was riding slick rock I was running fat sticky high pressure slick tyres (Specialised Fat Boys). On the way back from the trails to our campsite we rode on roads very similar to Alpine passes. The bikes' set up were incredibly fast on the road and the mountainbike geometry, big fat slicks and disc brakes allowed us to barrel into hairpins, brake hard and crank the bike over into suicidal lean angles much the way I could on my motorbike.
I've ridden like that in Italian and French Alps without anyone raising an eyebrow and no-one would even think of calling the Police. Problem with Utah is the locals are quite nutty and vigilantiesque when they see anyone break the law. Next problem is Utah cops take very seriously the complaints of said vigilante nutters. The main breach of the law was that approaches to the switchbacks were 20 limits and we were steaming in at twice that speed and then some.
First contact with the police which I witnessed was when they came to the campsite. This wasn't like the quiet word you'd get from Central Scotland Police. According to these boys we could be in serious trouble. Because we were from abroad and out of state they were threatening us with Jail time and interacted with a general tone of threat and malice. I remember a cop getting very nasty with one guy who pointed out we didn't have speedometers. Lesson learned there was "no back talking" and that back talking was saying anything to the police while they told you off. The cops were confrontational, threatening, unpleasant and in a way very stereotypical. They really say stuff like "who do you think you guys are coming to our country and treating our roads like racetracks or the Autobhan".
Second contact with Police was nasty. We ignored the warnings and continued our high speed decents. As we came round a corner we noticed a cop car sitting in a lay-by further down the hill. After the first b
king we decided to bypass the car by taking out mountainbikes off road and into the trails. Back at the site we were tugged, seached, cuffed taken to the station where we told that as we had been warned about our crimes, knew we were guilty and bodyswerved the Police car at the bottom of the hill we were guilty of Police obstruction and felony fleeing. The cops also told us that could get us shot in the back. We were told to leave the area and not come back. We were told in a way that we did what we were told.It's not like the UK over there. And you don't threaten tourists with jail and gunshot wounds for riding pushbikes too fast.
Edited by Tannedbaldhead on Sunday 30th November 03:29
So you've got a fancy mountain bike. Big deal, having fancy stuff does not absolve you from being bound by the law! Or are you seriously suggesting that Ferrari drivers should be exempt from speed limits just because they have a fast car.
Your attitude stinks, and frankly I wish they had locked you up after your second transgression given how blatantly you disrespected the police and chose to ignore the warning that was clearly given.
Lord knows I am no fan of the BiB, any visit to the SPL forum over the past 10 years will show you that, but they do have a difficult job to do, and a
holes like you make it infinitely more difficult. Why should they be nice to people like you? You're just gonna ignore them anyway. Its interesting that you finally got yhe message only after they had detained your sorry arse! Hundreds of US Police officers lose their lives every year, policing a population in which the bad guys come in all shapes, sizes and ages, and who are frequently better armed than the Police they face. Your comments about focussing like a laser on the Police during some good rioting, and your thoroughly nauseating views on the troubles in NI are the final proof ( if any were needed) that you have not got the first clue what you are talking about.
I tell you what, nip down to Sainsburys and buy a couple of boxes of All Bran and a dozen tins of beans..... Lets see if what comes out of your arse makes any more sense than what goes on in your head.
Tannedbaldhead said:
I agree with almost everything you say. I'm pro police and anti crime at heart. I do have caveats however and it mostly comes from what constitutes lippy and where the slippery slope leads to. My favorite bit of lip delivered to a policeman was from an old man who was accused of letting his dog foul a footpath when in fact it was a bh crouching to urinate. He challanged the officer to find the alleged jobby and added "and if you canny tell the difference between a ste and a pish you'll never make detective". A good British policeman would come back with an equally cutting line a bad cop may get gobby. In the wrong part of the USA that cheeky wee line could have you flat on your face with you'r hands cuffed behind your back and that's wrong.
I think you live in a fantasy world. h crouching to urinate. He challanged the officer to find the alleged jobby and added "and if you canny tell the difference between a ste and a pish you'll never make detective". A good British policeman would come back with an equally cutting line a bad cop may get gobby. In the wrong part of the USA that cheeky wee line could have you flat on your face with you'r hands cuffed behind your back and that's wrong. rambo19 said:
One things for sure, the police officer did not go to work that day wanting to shoot someone.
A sad day for the guy who got killed and the police officer.
I'm sure we have all seen videos of american police where they could of shot someone, but did not.
It's very easy to sit and watch video and say ' he should of done this and that'.
A video from manchester police, the young men were very very lucky;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehzq9OdE2w0
We are so lucky not to have an armed populus and an armed police force. The few highly trained officers over here who do carry fire arms are in a different league to uniformly armed officers throughout the rest of the world. A sad day for the guy who got killed and the police officer.
I'm sure we have all seen videos of american police where they could of shot someone, but did not.
It's very easy to sit and watch video and say ' he should of done this and that'.
A video from manchester police, the young men were very very lucky;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehzq9OdE2w0
andymadmak said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
I agree with almost everything you say. I'm pro police and anti crime at heart. I do have caveats however and it mostly comes from what constitutes lippy and where the slippery slope leads to. My favorite bit of lip delivered to a policeman was from an old man who was accused of letting his dog foul a footpath when in fact it was a bh crouching to urinate. He challanged the officer to find the alleged jobby and added "and if you canny tell the difference between a ste and a pish you'll never make detective". A good British policeman would come back with an equally cutting line a bad cop may get gobby. In the wrong part of the USA that cheeky wee line could have you flat on your face with you'r hands cuffed behind your back and that's wrong.
I think you live in a fantasy world. h crouching to urinate. He challanged the officer to find the alleged jobby and added "and if you canny tell the difference between a ste and a pish you'll never make detective". A good British policeman would come back with an equally cutting line a bad cop may get gobby. In the wrong part of the USA that cheeky wee line could have you flat on your face with you'r hands cuffed behind your back and that's wrong. I hope the officer didn't resign through a lack of support and welfare. I would doubt it.
The point is you're grossly over-exaggerating the extremes. I presented data in the other thread (12 year old being shot) that between 2003 and 2009 there were estimated to be 98 million arrests, with the police killing the suspect 2931 times. There are the hundreds of millions of non-arrest interactions to add to that they will be confrontational but not result in an arrest.
That's around 160% of our entire population being arrested in 7 years. Sure, within that large sample there will be instances where the officer behaves appallingly and lives up to the stereotype being presented here, but we need to keep perspective.
Tannedbaldhead said:
What, U saying it couldn't happen in the USA?
Of course it could happen. It's a theoretical scenario. The point is you're grossly over-exaggerating the extremes. I presented data in the other thread (12 year old being shot) that between 2003 and 2009 there were estimated to be 98 million arrests, with the police killing the suspect 2931 times. There are the hundreds of millions of non-arrest interactions to add to that they will be confrontational but not result in an arrest.
That's around 160% of our entire population being arrested in 7 years. Sure, within that large sample there will be instances where the officer behaves appallingly and lives up to the stereotype being presented here, but we need to keep perspective.
Tannedbaldhead said:
...In the wrong part of the USA that cheeky wee line could have you flat on your face with you'r hands cuffed behind your back and that's wrong.
Said to a non-police officer in parts of the UK, that sort of quip could probably land you on your back or worse. The operative word is "could".Would it routinely land you in serious trouble? I seriously, seriously doubt it (either here or in the US).
Would once be too often? Probably, in an ideal world. But then we have to accept that officers are human and humans have all manner of weaknesses and foibles. Even to the extent that something one finds funny on day, they might not the other (or even hour to hour depending on other inputs they may have had).
I would be very surprised if you, for example, have always behaved 100% consistently in 100% of situations. I know for a fact that I haven't (and I like to think, as do we all, that I'm pretty considered in the way I act/react).
fblm said:
andymadmak said:
Or are you seriously suggesting that Ferrari drivers should be exempt from speed limits just because they have a fast car.
Sounds good to meBeing apologetic and demure does see you waved off with a flourish though, rather than in jail
Tannedbaldhead said:
Jimbeaux said:
So, your encounter, were you in the wrong? We're shot? Beat up? Threatened? Just checking.
Was I in the wrong? Probably but the reaction was way out of proportion and threatening in tone. I used to mountain bike a lot in Colorado and Utah on the Rocky Mountain forest trails and on the slick-rock in Canyonland. I'd stay in ski resorts off season in the summer where, before mountain biking became popular, you could have an incredibly cheap holiday. My encounter with the Police was while riding in Utah with guys from Brekenridge CO, some English lads and a couple of Norwegians . The guys were crowd of nutters (hard core snowboarder dirt-biker types who were pretty "out there" on the trails. We were on full-sus disc-braked carbonfibre and light alloy mountain bikes. Because I was riding slick rock I was running fat sticky high pressure slick tyres (Specialised Fat Boys). On the way back from the trails to our campsite we rode on roads very similar to Alpine passes. The bikes' set up were incredibly fast on the road and the mountainbike geometry, big fat slicks and disc brakes allowed us to barrel into hairpins, brake hard and crank the bike over into suicidal lean angles much the way I could on my motorbike.
I've ridden like that in Italian and French Alps without anyone raising an eyebrow and no-one would even think of calling the Police. Problem with Utah is the locals are quite nutty and vigilantiesque when they see anyone break the law. Next problem is Utah cops take very seriously the complaints of said vigilante nutters. The main breach of the law was that approaches to the switchbacks were 20 limits and we were steaming in at twice that speed and then some.
First contact with the police which I witnessed was when they came to the campsite. This wasn't like the quiet word you'd get from Central Scotland Police. According to these boys we could be in serious trouble. Because we were from abroad and out of state they were threatening us with Jail time and interacted with a general tone of threat and malice. I remember a cop getting very nasty with one guy who pointed out we didn't have speedometers. Lesson learned there was "no back talking" and that back talking was saying anything to the police while they told you off. The cops were confrontational, threatening, unpleasant and in a way very stereotypical. They really say stuff like "who do you think you guys are coming to our country and treating our roads like racetracks or the Autobhan".
Second contact with Police was nasty. We ignored the warnings and continued our high speed decents. As we came round a corner we noticed a cop car sitting in a lay-by further down the hill. After the first b
king we decided to bypass the car by taking out mountainbikes off road and into the trails. Back at the site we were tugged, seached, cuffed taken to the station where we told that as we had been warned about our crimes, knew we were guilty and bodyswerved the Police car at the bottom of the hill we were guilty of Police obstruction and felony fleeing. The cops also told us that could get us shot in the back. We were told to leave the area and not come back. We were told in a way that we did what we were told.It's not like the UK over there. And you don't threaten tourists with jail and gunshot wounds for riding pushbikes too fast.
Edited by Tannedbaldhead on Sunday 30th November 03:29
babatunde said:
You've seen the pictures right? http://time.com/3605051/darren-wilson-photos-injur...
Or are you referring to http://www.snopes.com/info/news/wilson.asp
He assaulted the cop, in the cop's car, then grabbed for his weapon. That is a clean shoot.Or are you referring to http://www.snopes.com/info/news/wilson.asp
Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 30th November 20:46
babatunde said:
NicD said:
toohuge said:
^^^^^ wow.
You admit to reckless riding and breaking the speed limit on a road that is in an area where the local population and the police take speeding very seriously.
Then, when you are spoken to by the police, you don't accept the slap on the wrist and admit your wrong doing (despite knowing full well that you were riding too fast for local limits). Then, you and your friends had the wise idea to back chat a police officer of a foreign country. And then, the next day you decide to blatantly ignore the gentle warnings the police gave you the first time and think you're above the law and decide that you're untouchable and should be able to do as you please. (You do realize the police car you saw the second day wasn't there by coincidence, don't you?)
Astonishing.
I think before you go bad mouthing a police force in a foreign country, you have a serious think about your attitude and your actions on that day. - you come across as an arrogant, disrespectful and spoilt child.
+1 and btw, you likely made it worse for Brits who come to the area after you, by creating a stereotype.You admit to reckless riding and breaking the speed limit on a road that is in an area where the local population and the police take speeding very seriously.
Then, when you are spoken to by the police, you don't accept the slap on the wrist and admit your wrong doing (despite knowing full well that you were riding too fast for local limits). Then, you and your friends had the wise idea to back chat a police officer of a foreign country. And then, the next day you decide to blatantly ignore the gentle warnings the police gave you the first time and think you're above the law and decide that you're untouchable and should be able to do as you please. (You do realize the police car you saw the second day wasn't there by coincidence, don't you?)
Astonishing.
I think before you go bad mouthing a police force in a foreign country, you have a serious think about your attitude and your actions on that day. - you come across as an arrogant, disrespectful and spoilt child.
Tannedbaldhead said:
babatunde said:
NicD said:
toohuge said:
^^^^^ wow.
You admit to reckless riding and breaking the speed limit on a road that is in an area where the local population and the police take speeding very seriously.
Then, when you are spoken to by the police, you don't accept the slap on the wrist and admit your wrong doing (despite knowing full well that you were riding too fast for local limits). Then, you and your friends had the wise idea to back chat a police officer of a foreign country. And then, the next day you decide to blatantly ignore the gentle warnings the police gave you the first time and think you're above the law and decide that you're untouchable and should be able to do as you please. (You do realize the police car you saw the second day wasn't there by coincidence, don't you?)
Astonishing.
I think before you go bad mouthing a police force in a foreign country, you have a serious think about your attitude and your actions on that day. - you come across as an arrogant, disrespectful and spoilt child.
+1 and btw, you likely made it worse for Brits who come to the area after you, by creating a stereotype.You admit to reckless riding and breaking the speed limit on a road that is in an area where the local population and the police take speeding very seriously.
Then, when you are spoken to by the police, you don't accept the slap on the wrist and admit your wrong doing (despite knowing full well that you were riding too fast for local limits). Then, you and your friends had the wise idea to back chat a police officer of a foreign country. And then, the next day you decide to blatantly ignore the gentle warnings the police gave you the first time and think you're above the law and decide that you're untouchable and should be able to do as you please. (You do realize the police car you saw the second day wasn't there by coincidence, don't you?)
Astonishing.
I think before you go bad mouthing a police force in a foreign country, you have a serious think about your attitude and your actions on that day. - you come across as an arrogant, disrespectful and spoilt child.
When did everyone become so puritanical? All we did was ride mountain-bikes down a hill and exceed a draconian 20mph limit down a bloody hill. The "gentle warning" was "you wanna go to jail boys coz that's where you'll end up" followed by "you try to avoid us round here and you could end up legally shot in the back". Am waiting to hear the same guys telling me the British accademic who was pulled for J-Walking by a plain clothes detective, asked the officer for ID and was beaten to the ground and booked for resisting arrest that the Brit let his country down by flouting foreign laws and disrespecting its officers. http://metro.co.uk/2007/01/10/police-beat-historia...
Elroy Blue said:
Really?
Here's some 'bullet headed American Football types'
Here's one with no humanity at all (that's his mum)
Here's some examples of them oppressing the local community
And here's one of them specifically targeting disabled children (as they annually raise money to pay for the sporting field they're stood on, it's upkeep and all the equipment)
Those US Police Officers really are terrible, terrible individuals
Nice balance Elroy, thanks. As with any police force, there are good and bad. There are many more good than bad but some on here just have chips on their shoulder.Here's some 'bullet headed American Football types'
Here's one with no humanity at all (that's his mum)
Here's some examples of them oppressing the local community
And here's one of them specifically targeting disabled children (as they annually raise money to pay for the sporting field they're stood on, it's upkeep and all the equipment)
Those US Police Officers really are terrible, terrible individuals
Tannedbaldhead said:
Elroy Blue said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
. I'd also like to see proper decent riots where the crowd focus like a laser on the police
Could you elaborate on 'focus like a laser on Police'. I'm a Police Officer, so what exactly would you like the rioting crowd to do to me? Is a few slabs of concrete on my head enough, or do you advocate knives, clubs.......guns? Edited by Tannedbaldhead on Saturday 29th November 20:58
As for your tirade against US Police. Have you ever been on patrol with them? I have, numerous times. They are ordinary people doing an extraordinary job. Nearly 200 have been killed on duty this year alone. You really do have a very, very warped view of the world.
(Don't tell me, you want 'Justice'. Just as long as it's justice that suits you....not actual justice)
I wouldn't say my view of US policing is warped. It's a view shared by a large proportion of the US population. I base it from personal experience of being aggresively policed and policed in a manner I am not used to in the UK and comments from my family in the US who complain about the way behaviour of the police in the USA has changed. It is also backed up with a huge body of evidence of innocents and minor offenders subjected to overwhelming levels of force. What's more there are far too many incidents to be written off as the actions of a few bad apples. Like I said before the aggresion is systemic and needs addressed.
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