Prince Andrew US civil sexual assault case

[XJ Flyer]

irocfan said:

MarshPhantom said:

as said above the age of the girl is a bit of a red herring - the girl is claiming that she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew.

Edited by MarshPhantom on Sunday 4th January 08:49

ok then - did inbred do the coercing? Was he aware that there was potentially some coercion involved? Let's be honest me or thee as ordinary peeps would be quite taken aback if some very attractive young thing threw herself at us - in his case it's a normal occurrence, it probably wouldn't even register that this could be something strange

If anyone wants to stay out of jail they firstly need to be sure that they aren't involved in a prostitution type relationship with a girl under the age of 18.Which leaves the questions of was Andy looking for love or paid sex and was the girl in it for love or money.Her story in the paper suggests she was looking for love with Andrew.While if he wasn't looking for love with her then why the alleged repeat visits with the same girl.While assuming she was really in it for love why/how her contradictory claims that it was actually all about the money.

[WinstonWolf]

vonuber said:

If you read what the well connected billionaire was originally charged with (and the astonishingly lenient sentence he received) then you see what the issue is; procuring girls as young as possible to have sex with including keeping some against their will on his island as his personal sex slaves.

That's what our lovely Duke has been involved with.

She has only made her statement under the protection of a court AIUI. if she makes allegations in public she can be sued, I'd tread very very carefully making such allegations if I were you.

[Oakey]

vonuber said:

don'tbesilly said:

So where is the evidence that explicitly links HRH with any of the above?

You mean like the photo of him and one of the girls involved in the original court case?

Well if you're going to refer to that, does she look like she's being coerced at all?

[smn159]

Oakey said:

vonuber said:

don'tbesilly said:

So where is the evidence that explicitly links HRH with any of the above?

You mean like the photo of him and one of the girls involved in the original court case?

Well if you're going to refer to that, does she look like she's being coerced at all?

What would the picture look like if she was being coerced then?

[don'tbesilly]

smn159 said:

Oakey said:

vonuber said:

don'tbesilly said:

So where is the evidence that explicitly links HRH with any of the above?

You mean like the photo of him and one of the girls involved in the original court case?

Well if you're going to refer to that, does she look like she's being coerced at all?

What would the picture look like if she was being coerced then?

I doubt she'd be as happy as she appears to be here;

[Oakey]

smn159 said:

What would the picture look like if she was being coerced then?

Well, if she was under duress she might not have a massive grin on her face although admittedly that may be due to the $15,000 Epstein allegedly paid her to sleep with him

[XJ Flyer]

smn159 said:

Oakey said:

vonuber said:

don'tbesilly said:

So where is the evidence that explicitly links HRH with any of the above?

You mean like the photo of him and one of the girls involved in the original court case?

Well if you're going to refer to that, does she look like she's being coerced at all?

What would the picture look like if she was being coerced then?

At least Andrew grabbing her round the neck caveman style as she tries to do whatever it takes to run away.Meanwhile how do you explain the statement in today's paper the 'sex wasn't like love'.IE why would she be expecting,or make any references to,'love' if she already supposedly knew she was allegedly effectively being raped.

[XJ Flyer]

Oakey said:

smn159 said:

What would the picture look like if she was being coerced then?

Well, if she was under duress she might not have a massive grin on her face although admittedly that may be due to the $15,000 Epstein allegedly paid her to sleep with him

Or the 44 Magnum aimed at her head out of frame.If so which with Andrew's military experience you'd imagine he'd be a bit worried about as well.

[don'tbesilly]

XJ Flyer said:

Oakey said:

smn159 said:

What would the picture look like if she was being coerced then?

Well, if she was under duress she might not have a massive grin on her face although admittedly that may be due to the $15,000 Epstein allegedly paid her to sleep with him

Or the 44 Magnum aimed at her head out of frame.If so which with Andrew's military experience you'd imagine he'd be a bit worried about as well.

Seriously?

[XJ Flyer]

don'tbesilly said:

XJ Flyer said:

Oakey said:

smn159 said:

What would the picture look like if she was being coerced then?

Well, if she was under duress she might not have a massive grin on her face although admittedly that may be due to the $15,000 Epstein allegedly paid her to sleep with him

Or the 44 Magnum aimed at her head out of frame.If so which with Andrew's military experience you'd imagine he'd be a bit worried about as well.

Seriously?

No obviously sarcastically.

[TTmonkey]

don'tbesilly said:

This is a very interesting photo. This is Prince Andrew, with his arm around a teenager. Don't know what he's about to do with his other hand, or what he's just been doing..... But it looks very relaxed and far too intimate.

But what this photo shows us is intimate body language between a British Royal and a young american teen, Where has all the Royal decorum and aloofishness gone? Where has all the years of royal training and chivalrous gentlemanly conduct gone? He's an ex senior military officer FFS.... If he had his arms around my teenage daughter in this kind of fashion I'd be asking him what the feck he's up to. There is a line. And he's well over it. Especially as a royal.

This is going to blow up like the Saville case and could do unprecedented damage. Every paper today is all over it.

[XJ Flyer]

TTmonkey said:

don'tbesilly said:

This is a very interesting photo. This is Prince Andrew, with his arm around a teenager. Don't know what he's about to do with his other hand, or what he's just been doing..... But it looks very relaxed and far too intimate.

But what this photo shows us is intimate body language between a British Royal and a young american teen, Where has all the Royal decorum and aloofishness gone? Where has all the years of royal training and chivalrous gentlemanly conduct gone? He's an ex senior military officer FFS.... If he had his arms around my teenage daughter in this kind of fashion I'd be asking him what the feck he's up to. There is a line. And he's well over it. Especially as a royal.

This is going to blow up like the Saville case and could do unprecedented damage. Every paper today is all over it.

Assuming anyone is acting under UK law and decides to set up home and start a family with,let alone put their arm around,anyone's 16 + year old daughter,with her consent,there is absolutely nothing wrong in law with such a relationship regardless of his age.

In this case at worse Andrew has allegedly possibly had a prostitution type relationship with a girl of 17 ( statutory rape ).Therefore if the evidence is there the police can bring charges and Andrew can answer the allegations in court on the usual basis of innocent until proven guilty.

None of which would match the type of allegations involving the Saville case.

Under ageist agephopic US laws you might have a point.But generally those with age issues,as you obviously have,don't suddenly change just because their daughter has reached the age of 18 even in that case.

Edited by XJ Flyer on Sunday 4th January 18:22

[gareth_r]

XJ Flyer said:

...As for the cousin angle contrary to East Enders' story lines that has never been illegal either side of the Atlantic which is why Queen Victoria married her first cousin just like Harry could now if she was up for it and he had any sense.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2083951/Chelsy-...

In the interests of accuracy...

Marriage between first cousins is illegal in many US states.

[XJ Flyer]

gareth_r said:

XJ Flyer said:

...As for the cousin angle contrary to East Enders' story lines that has never been illegal either side of the Atlantic which is why Queen Victoria married her first cousin just like Harry could now if she was up for it and he had any sense.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2083951/Chelsy-...

In the interests of accuracy...

Marriage between first cousins is illegal in many US states.

The difference in that case being that there are no federal laws which outlaw it.Unlike arguably the age difference issue.IE there would be no laws stopping first cousins moving to a state which allows marriage between them.Unlike in the case of the age issue.

[Oakey]

The Daily Mail, unfortunately, are the ones that have apparently spoken to the woman in question. For anyone interested:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2895735/Th...

[z4RRSchris99]

doesn't he have diplo immunity?

[HoHoHo]

z4RRSchris99 said:

doesn't he have diplo immunity?

Probably simply Royal immunity.

[smn159]

Oakey said:

smn159 said:

What would the picture look like if she was being coerced then?

Well, if she was under duress she might not have a massive grin on her face although admittedly that may be due to the $15,000 Epstein allegedly paid her to sleep with him

I expect that her pimp is just out of shot in a 'Huggy Bear' style coat, threatening to withhold her drugs unless she plays nice for the punters

[Jasandjules]

Someone said that they heard this was on tape. Anyone else heard this?

[MarshPhantom]