EU Referendum Poll - Final Call

[rscott]

walm said:

don4l said:

The idea that Britons might want to move to countries like Romania or Bulgaria is simply laughable.

I see you are still struggling.

Where did ANYONE suggest this "idea"?

Since no one did, we laugh at you for posting such a pathetic straw man argument that even my 6-year-old can see through.

Don't worry - he'll bring out his big argument soon. The one where he claims anyone voting to remain is a traitor to the memory of those who died in WWII.

[Zoon]

walm said:

don4l said:

The idea that Britons might want to move to countries like Romania or Bulgaria is simply laughable.

I see you are still struggling.

Where did ANYONE suggest this "idea"?

Since no one did, we laugh at you for posting such a pathetic straw man argument that even my 6-year-old can see through.

To be fair someone did suggest broadening horizons and working abroad in Europe, of which said two countries are part of.
I think the point that don4l was trying to make is that we have lots to offer whereas some parts of Europe don't, so the likelihood of us wanting to go there is outweighed by them wanting to come here.

It's like going to a wife swapping party where you have a trophy wife and all the others are pigs.
You get something out of it, but the other blokes get more.

[anonymous-user]

walm said:

el stovey said:

But if a company has hedged fuel and the pound doesn't tank and the U.K. Isn't plummeted into recession then it will be OK?

Hedges are mostly USD-based for fuel.
They may have hedged their GBPEUR and GBPUSD but it is cripplingly expensive to hedge beyond 12 months or so, which means either airlines don't bother hedging FX at all OR they limit it to one year.
Which offers only temporary protection, obviously.

And the GBP WILL tank. Just look at the moves over the last few days. It rises as Remain rises in the polls and vice-versa - there really isn't any debate about that.

Your information is at odds with that which comes from my airline. perhaps you know best.

[lostkiwi]

Zoon said:

walm said:

don4l said:

The idea that Britons might want to move to countries like Romania or Bulgaria is simply laughable.

I see you are still struggling.

Where did ANYONE suggest this "idea"?

Since no one did, we laugh at you for posting such a pathetic straw man argument that even my 6-year-old can see through.

To be fair someone did suggest broadening horizons and working abroad in Europe, of which said two countries are part of.
I think the point that don4l was trying to make is that we have lots to offer whereas some parts of Europe don't, so the likelihood of us wanting to go there is outweighed by them wanting to come here.

It's like going to a wife swapping party where you have a trophy wife and all the others are pigs.
You get something out of it, but the other blokes get more.

There are parts of the UK with little to offer (employment wise). There are parts of any country or collective that are more economically disadvantaged than others. To take the most negative view is rather a pointless argument.
I can imagine a few would have no objections about working in Germany, or Sweden or even France (I'd say yes to that one as I like the lifestyle).

Would Romania or Bulgaria be any worse than Blythe in Northumbria (apologies to anyone from there - its just I know there are issues with employment)?

[longblackcoat]

walm said:

el stovey said:

But if a company has hedged fuel and the pound doesn't tank and the U.K. Isn't plummeted into recession then it will be OK?

Hedges are mostly USD-based for fuel.
They may have hedged their GBPEUR and GBPUSD but it is cripplingly expensive to hedge beyond 12 months or so, which means either airlines don't bother hedging FX at all OR they limit it to one year.
Which offers only temporary protection, obviously.

And the GBP WILL tank. Just look at the moves over the last few days. It rises as Remain rises in the polls and vice-versa - there really isn't any debate about that.

Agreed. Hedging is really only a short-term smoothing to transition you to the new norm or to guard against very short-term market instability. Long-term you have to trend to the norm.

Markets are a bit divided over what will happen longer term, but I've not seen a single prediction that the pound will appreciate against the $ (and just one suggesting it will strengthen against the €); there's a near-certainty that it'll be bad, but no consensus on just how bad.

[walm]

el stovey said:

Your information is at odds with that which comes from my airline. perhaps you know best.

Which airline?
I am a financial analyst covering airlines, so I know a little bit about some of them. Not all though, for sure!!!

[walm]

Zoon said:

It's like going to a wife swapping party where you have a trophy wife and all the others are pigs.
You get something out of it, but the other blokes get more.

That is exactly the pathetic straw man argument he was failing to make.

It's like going to a wife-swapping party where you have a trophy wife and SOME of the others are pigs, but several of the others are actually pretty damn hot.

He was very obviously trying to suggest your interpretation which is flat out wrong.

I have lived and worked in France for several years and trust me, it was awesome.

[Zoon]

walm said:

I have lived and worked in France for several years and trust me, it was awesome.

So awesome that you are still there?

[walm]

Zoon said:

walm said:

I have lived and worked in France for several years and trust me, it was awesome.

So awesome that you are still there?

I wish.
Sadly the missus wanted the kids to grow up speaking Polish so we moved back to the UK.

[lostkiwi]

walm said:

Zoon said:

walm said:

I have lived and worked in France for several years and trust me, it was awesome.

So awesome that you are still there?

I wish.
Sadly the missus wanted the kids to grow up speaking Polish so we moved back to the UK.

Brilliant

[eldar]

So, 32% remain, 68% leave for PH.

Nationally, 68% of under 25 year old voters say stay and 62% of over 60 year olds want to leave.

Looks like the PH demographic is largely grumpy pensioners, pining for pounds, shillings and pence while wearing a trilby hat and driving a beige Honda Jazz.

Interesting.

[walm]

eldar said:

Nationally, 68% of under 25 year old voters say stay and 62% of over 60 year olds want to leave.

Becoming a director of a company is seriously hard under 25, even with a goatee. /cliche

[lostkiwi]

walm said:

eldar said:

Nationally, 68% of under 25 year old voters say stay and 62% of over 60 year olds want to leave.

Becoming a director of a company is seriously hard under 25, even with a goatee. /cliche

Technically its not (all you need to do is form a Limited Company which takes about 10 minutes online) but being a director of a successful one under the age of 25 is.

[lionelf]

If Britain First, The Knights Templar, EDL, The National Front and all of the assorted watered down versions of those organisations want us out then frankly I know where my vote is going.

[walm]

lionelf said:

If Britain First, The Knights Templar, EDL, The National Front and all of the assorted watered down versions of those organisations want us out then frankly I know where my vote is going.

It's not that easy though, because the Illuminati want us IN!

[BlackLabel]

CaptainSlow said:

Something odd has happened with this poll, I wouldn't want to suggest what but last week it was looking different.

The trend on here seems to be that as we've got closer to the vote more and more undecided voters choose the status quo. This reflects the trend for such referendums (historically).

[wc98]

lostkiwi said:

Why? I know of a few that have and are doing quite nicely thank you.

so do i.apparently there are quite a few doing well out of nhs fraud as well. inflated prescription prices and bills for treatment that never happened sent back to the uk and the uk citizen getting a kick back. only hearsay mind.

[fido]

eldar said:

So, 32% remain, 68% leave for PH.

Nationally, 68% of under 25 year old voters say stay and 62% of over 60 year olds want to leave.

Interesting.

Or people with not much life experience and more concerned about stuff like holidays and mobile phone tariffs. Not to mention leftist indoctrination from the education system.

[dirty boy]

AJL308 said:

dirty boy said:

And Westminster in charge of its own destiny would all sunshine and smiles

No, no one is saying that.

Agreed, but to answer your point, I don't think Brussels making our laws is the most important aspect of this campaign, hence I 'can' vote Remain which is contrary to me wanting laws in the UK.

[walm]

fido said:

Not to mention leftist indoctrination from the education system.

WTF?

Actually that reminds me, I need to buy some tin futures.