Guy Martin - Charged over fake driving licence
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If anything I'd say he might have passed the CPC 'test'. Rather than the driving test. The thing is... My blue CPC card say CE on it. It even says drivers qualification card.
I still stand by the idea that if he is so daft as to think he is qualified to drive artics without a real test they should never let him near an artic on the road. But I can't get too upset about it tbh. I know lads who shunt in the yard who can't drive a car who make new pass class 1 drivers look atrocious in comparison.
I still stand by the idea that if he is so daft as to think he is qualified to drive artics without a real test they should never let him near an artic on the road. But I can't get too upset about it tbh. I know lads who shunt in the yard who can't drive a car who make new pass class 1 drivers look atrocious in comparison.
milkround said:
If anything I'd say he might have passed the CPC 'test'. Rather than the driving test. The thing is... My blue CPC card say CE on it. It even says drivers qualification card.
I still stand by the idea that if he is so daft as to think he is qualified to drive artics without a real test they should never let him near an artic on the road. But I can't get too upset about it tbh. I know lads who shunt in the yard who can't drive a car who make new pass class 1 drivers look atrocious in comparison.
The classic Robert De Niro scene from Casino can be applied to so many situations:I still stand by the idea that if he is so daft as to think he is qualified to drive artics without a real test they should never let him near an artic on the road. But I can't get too upset about it tbh. I know lads who shunt in the yard who can't drive a car who make new pass class 1 drivers look atrocious in comparison.
“You were either too stupid to understand what was happening, or you were in on the scam. Either way, you’re out”
Guy Martin is 12 months younger than me.
We have therefore both ‘suffered’ the newer and much more stringent and more complex tests for cars and bikes, involving both practical tests, oral questions, and exam questions on computer. Hazard Perception, Driver awareness tests and all that sort of thing. HGV will also include medical tests.
I cannot fathom how an intelligent engineering type such as Guy Martin will have thought for even one minute that a man watching him drive a lorry round the block (or whatever) constituted passing a test.
Being familiar with HGV’s and their drivers, he will surely have known there should have been several forms of test plus a medical.
But maybe not?
CoolHands said:
I wonder how many other fake Irish hgv licences have been used to get a genuine British one. My bet: f
king tonnes of them. Bit like the recent human people smuggling linked with Irish truckers, when you scratch behind the surface there a whole tidy little industry going on there.
None. Even a cursory check will show it’s a fake. The fakes were widely available before the introduction of the new credit card style licence a few years back, but none of them would ever have been exchanged for a real licence, as Guy Martin found out.king tonnes of them. Bit like the recent human people smuggling linked with Irish truckers, when you scratch behind the surface there a whole tidy little industry going on there.There are various reasons why the CPS may discontinue.
It's not the biggest public interest case in history, either.
Hypocrite.
It's not the biggest public interest case in history, either.
yonex said:
There is no point. You’ve tried to link my criticism of an AJ performance with being personally critical of an individual. And it hasn’t worked out. You do understand the difference?
yonex said:
He’s a pretender, corporate boxer. Not to mention backed by the biggest knob of a promoter
Yeah calling someone a 'pretender' isn't personally critical Hypocrite.
Pothole said:
spaximus said:
Once again it is either the Police saw a celebrity scalp wrongly or top lawyers are worth their money
You know the Police don't have any control over what goes to court, don't you?spaximus said:
They do in a way. They have to send details to the DPP who then decide if they can win in court. If this was as it appears, then they could have simply said not enough evidence and it would have stopped there and then.
Sounds like the evidence was there but it’s his condition that got him off with it. It would have been a complaint from the DVLA to the police along with all the evidence required. After all, if the DVLA say it’s a fake, what more evidence do the police need? Interview to gain alleged offenders side of the story and it all goes to the CPS who make the decision along with medical professionals in this case.
Lord Marylebone said:
So basically:
He actually did do what he was accused of, but the charges were dropped because he has Aspergers?
The thing he was accused of (according the the news article) is having a fake licence with intent to deceive.He actually did do what he was accused of, but the charges were dropped because he has Aspergers?
The CPS obviously took they view they could not prove the intent to deceive based on the facts.
He may well have had a fake licence - but that is not the offence he was being prosecuted for (based on the article).
Penelope Stopit said:
KrazyIvan said:
I wonder how many on here would be jumping to his defence if he was just some scruffy mot/garage worker and wasnt famous.
Me for one, same as supporting the chap that hacked into the Pentagon computersWith that in mind, I’m wondering why you don’t think either of them should be punished?
Edited to add: I’m going to guess wildly that you have a child or relative with Aspergers and therefore don’t think anyone with Aspergers should be held criminally accountable for their actions.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 27th December 18:52
I'm a huge GM fan but IMHO he's guilty as sin! From reading his books and watching his exploits on TV I've always felt he's a bit of a blagger who'll take a risk if the payoff makes it worthwhile. My view is he knew this was a scam but had heard that lots do it and get away with it so took a chance. It didn't payoff for him so rather than take it on the chin he hired a fancy barrister and the rest is history.
For what it's worth I do genuinely believe he has ASD/Aspergers (I know a few people with various ASDs including my brother) and this may make him a bit impressionable and may inhibit his ability to accurately weigh up risk and reward but fundamentally I suspect he knew what he was doing.
Trials are expensive and CPS won't run one unless they're extremely confident that they can get a guilty verdict. As already mentioned, the public interest test on this one is a bit thin too. It's not exactly crime of the century: if not for the celebrity angle I doubt this would even make the local news website.
For what it's worth I do genuinely believe he has ASD/Aspergers (I know a few people with various ASDs including my brother) and this may make him a bit impressionable and may inhibit his ability to accurately weigh up risk and reward but fundamentally I suspect he knew what he was doing.
Trials are expensive and CPS won't run one unless they're extremely confident that they can get a guilty verdict. As already mentioned, the public interest test on this one is a bit thin too. It's not exactly crime of the century: if not for the celebrity angle I doubt this would even make the local news website.
La Liga said:
There are various reasons why the CPS may discontinue.
From the press reports not sure they discontinued (meaning the case can be reinstated, albeit unlikely), rather they offered no evidence and therefore the court could hand down a not guilty verdict and that's the end of the matter.Lord Marylebone said:
Penelope Stopit said:
KrazyIvan said:
I wonder how many on here would be jumping to his defence if he was just some scruffy mot/garage worker and wasnt famous.
Me for one, same as supporting the chap that hacked into the Pentagon computersWith that in mind, I’m wondering why you don’t think either of them should be punished?
Edited to add: I’m going to guess wildly that you have a child or relative with Aspergers and therefore don’t think anyone with Aspergers should be held criminally accountable for their actions.
Edited by Lord Marylebone on Friday 27th December 18:52
As for someone hacking into the Pentagon and leaving this message "Your security is crap", speaks for itself
Penelope Stopit said:
Lord Marylebone said:
Penelope Stopit said:
KrazyIvan said:
I wonder how many on here would be jumping to his defence if he was just some scruffy mot/garage worker and wasnt famous.
Me for one, same as supporting the chap that hacked into the Pentagon computersWith that in mind, I’m wondering why you don’t think either of them should be punished?
Edited to add: I’m going to guess wildly that you have a child or relative with Aspergers and therefore don’t think anyone with Aspergers should be held criminally accountable for their actions.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 27th December 18:52
As for someone hacking into the Pentagon and leaving this message "Your security is crap", speaks for itself
But, let’s just focus on the Gary McKinnon case then.
You analogy suggests that if your house gets burgled because you have anything less than the worlds best lock, then it’s your own fault and the burglars have done nothing wrong.
I think we can all agree that is quite bizarre logic, and also victim blaming.
Gary McKinnon knew fine well that what he was doing was incredibly serious and carried huge penalties, but carried on doing it for months, despite being ‘almost caught’ a couple of times.
I have no idea you are defending him.
Penelope Stopit said:
I'm of the opinion that someone with money to spare wouldn't have a problem in taking many HGV driving lessons and tests until getting it right, hence mistakes and or misunderstandings have surely played a big part along the way
As I pointed out earlier, if GM has been working on trucks all his working life you would have thought he'd have a licence to drive one. It's quite possible where he works and lives out in the sticks he's got away with it, there is maybe even footage of him driving one or talk of it in a book. So if he goes to get his licence now somebody somewhere is going say 'Er, hang on a minute...'. It's quite possible that is why he took this route.Does this look like a person with no truck driving licence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEVViQZywGA
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