CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56054655
''Covid: South Wales valleys' high death rates 'caused by poverty''
''Poverty and health inequality are behind the high Covid death rates in the south Wales valleys, a public health boss has said.''
raised this last year, sad though as it was pretty plain to see.
''Covid: South Wales valleys' high death rates 'caused by poverty''
''Poverty and health inequality are behind the high Covid death rates in the south Wales valleys, a public health boss has said.''
raised this last year, sad though as it was pretty plain to see.
survivalist said:
I can’t see it myself. This is a government that can’t get track and trace to work. Even if they do get ID/Card tracking working, it’ll be stored in a copy of Excel from 1995 and lose most of the date within the first couple of days.
On sky, devi was saying it’s a choice between local freedoms/quarantine travel, or restrictions on local life/ allow travel, due to the risk of new variants being imported. The former looks to be the new game now, so vaccination cards domestically wont be necessary if we have herd immunity/vulnerable vaccinated and no new variants circulating. Unless they balls up border controls of course, then it’s a flawed strategy.The Spruce Goose said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56054655
''Covid: South Wales valleys' high death rates 'caused by poverty''
''Poverty and health inequality are behind the high Covid death rates in the south Wales valleys, a public health boss has said.''
raised this last year, sad though as it was pretty plain to see.
It's a good job the measures imposed have had no impact on the economy then and won't exacerbate any future problems, particularly for low paid workers in retail, hospitality etc... oh wait...''Covid: South Wales valleys' high death rates 'caused by poverty''
''Poverty and health inequality are behind the high Covid death rates in the south Wales valleys, a public health boss has said.''
raised this last year, sad though as it was pretty plain to see.
Globally there is a strong correlation between wealth and health. It's why the assertion some people make that lockdown sceptics only value money over lives falls down. Why this is news a year in I'm not sure.
CrutyRammers said:
monkfish1 said:
Pretty much as certain as night follows day. Seems a lot of people have very short memories.
About 2 weeks. (Ok, I'm being facetious, but it's not far wrong)
Dr. Evil is back again touting his wares.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9257783...
It will come as no surprise to some as to who he is best friends with, about half way down the article, paragraph starting
My Institute for Global Change is involved in many of them, including the.....
Looks like they've made it to the mainstream.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9257783...
It will come as no surprise to some as to who he is best friends with, about half way down the article, paragraph starting
My Institute for Global Change is involved in many of them, including the.....
Looks like they've made it to the mainstream.
johnboy1975 said:
https://www.tomorrowspapers.co.uk/
You can zoom in on The Times. Claims that the country will move through tiers nationally, which may be different to the autumn tiers. With fortnightly reviews
Apparently all schools going back on the 8th. Great news if so. No doubt labour and the unions will disagree
The Sunday Times are less optimistic on pubs (hi, Gadgetmac). Superfast opening is pubs and restaurants by early may, and that isn't considered likely. Middle speed is end of May, and slow is August
Must be different scenarios being briefed because the Sunday Mail go with "back in the pub garden for Easter" (actual date: end of March). That will do
Sunday Times go with "Picnics and coffee in the park from March 8th"
Sunday Express "Tory MPs say to lift all restrictions from end of May"
We can live in hope. Will be interesting to hear how the teachers unions respond. Our daughter's primary school have made it very difficult to accept any children i.e. 2 key workers in the household, while others are less arsed and have ovwr 50% of kids in. Barmy.You can zoom in on The Times. Claims that the country will move through tiers nationally, which may be different to the autumn tiers. With fortnightly reviews
Apparently all schools going back on the 8th. Great news if so. No doubt labour and the unions will disagree
The Sunday Times are less optimistic on pubs (hi, Gadgetmac). Superfast opening is pubs and restaurants by early may, and that isn't considered likely. Middle speed is end of May, and slow is August
Must be different scenarios being briefed because the Sunday Mail go with "back in the pub garden for Easter" (actual date: end of March). That will do
Sunday Times go with "Picnics and coffee in the park from March 8th"
Sunday Express "Tory MPs say to lift all restrictions from end of May"
isaldiri said:
CrutyRammers said:
monkfish1 said:
Pretty much as certain as night follows day. Seems a lot of people have very short memories.
About 2 weeks. (Ok, I'm being facetious, but it's not far wrong)
monkfish1 said:
Pretty much as certain as night follows day. Seems a lot of people have very short memories.
Alas, It is with the deepest regret, that we cannot proceed with the relaxing of restrictions next week. Thanks to our world-leading genomic sequencing, we have discovered, a new, Uber-deadly variant of the virus which is, 425% more transmissible and 150% more deadly. Alas, with the heaviest of hearts, we must once again come together, to trash our lives for another 6 months, by which time, we will surely have turned the tide and saved the NHS. BenBuzz said:
monkfish1 said:
Pretty much as certain as night follows day. Seems a lot of people have very short memories.
Alas, It is with the deepest regret, that we cannot proceed with the relaxing of restrictions next week. Thanks to our world-leading genomic sequencing, we have discovered, a new, Uber-deadly variant of the virus which is, 425% more transmissible and 150% more deadly. Alas, with the heaviest of hearts, we must once again come together, to trash our lives for another 6 months, by which time, we will surely have turned the tide and saved the NHS. We should have left him up on that zip wire.
johnboy1975 said:
a311 said:
In my part of the Lakes were below we're below 80 cases per 100k now, the usual social media brigades were up in arms while we were in tier 1 then tier 2 in following the November lockdown about tourists breaking rules and travelling here. While in tier 2 you could only go to hospitality venues in your family group so I doubt that had much to do with it.
We had the late December early January spike like everywhere else getting up to 300ish per 100k with the hospital's really full.
You can zoom in on The Times. Claims that the country will move through tiers nationally, which may be different to the autumn tiers. With fortnightly reviews
Apparently all schools going back on the 8th. Great news if so. No doubt labour and the unions will disagree
The Sunday Times are less optimistic on pubs (hi, Gadgetmac). Superfast opening is pubs and restaurants by early may, and that isn't considered likely. Middle speed is end of May, and slow is August
Must be different scenarios being briefed because the Sunday Mail go with "back in the pub garden for Easter" (actual date: end of March). That will do
Sunday Times go with "Picnics and coffee in the park from March 8th"
Sunday Express "Tory MPs say to lift all restrictions from end of May"
Carl_Manchester said:
back to normal by...May....June....September.....no new jab until December....South African variant etc....
This is basically it. They keep "talking past the sale" and then pushing things into the future. They have now conditioned the masses to want more restrictions. And the opposition, don't get me started.
MDMetal said:
johnboy1975 said:
a311 said:
In my part of the Lakes were below we're below 80 cases per 100k now, the usual social media brigades were up in arms while we were in tier 1 then tier 2 in following the November lockdown about tourists breaking rules and travelling here. While in tier 2 you could only go to hospitality venues in your family group so I doubt that had much to do with it.
We had the late December early January spike like everywhere else getting up to 300ish per 100k with the hospital's really full.
You can zoom in on The Times. Claims that the country will move through tiers nationally, which may be different to the autumn tiers. With fortnightly reviews
Apparently all schools going back on the 8th. Great news if so. No doubt labour and the unions will disagree
The Sunday Times are less optimistic on pubs (hi, Gadgetmac). Superfast opening is pubs and restaurants by early may, and that isn't considered likely. Middle speed is end of May, and slow is August
Must be different scenarios being briefed because the Sunday Mail go with "back in the pub garden for Easter" (actual date: end of March). That will do
Sunday Times go with "Picnics and coffee in the park from March 8th"
Sunday Express "Tory MPs say to lift all restrictions from end of May"
There seems to have been a shift now I'm not seeing people responding to the latest 'leaks' with opposition of longer harder lockdowns. Schools going back will be a load off for many. Picnic in the park in March anyone? Sods law after a cracking April it will piss down this year, we've a beer garden but would have to be some hardcore punters to sit outside freezing their nuts off.
smashing said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
Brainpox said:
.... You can't gamble with people's lives because you're desperate to get down the pub.
You really shouldn't make such lazy statements. It shows your ignorance of the wider consequences of lockdown, including the pain and disruption it causes. It is *not* about going to the pub.
king pub.Harrison Bergeron said:
Maybe it it’s just a coincidence......
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/27/us/new-flu-stra...
New flu virus? Wuhan variant? American awareness? 1996? - nah... it’ll never catch on.https://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/27/us/new-flu-stra...
a311 said:
I read a few of the comments on some of the articles today. Despite what seems to be a majortiy on this forum being anti lockdown general public sentiment has been in support of lockdown which has been a lot to do with why the government have got away with it IMO.
There seems to have been a shift now I'm not seeing people responding to the latest 'leaks' with opposition of longer harder lockdowns. Schools going back will be a load off for many. Picnic in the park in March anyone? Sods law after a cracking April it will piss down this year, we've a beer garden but would have to be some hardcore punters to sit outside freezing their nuts off.
Buy your patio heaters now before there is a shortage of them! There seems to have been a shift now I'm not seeing people responding to the latest 'leaks' with opposition of longer harder lockdowns. Schools going back will be a load off for many. Picnic in the park in March anyone? Sods law after a cracking April it will piss down this year, we've a beer garden but would have to be some hardcore punters to sit outside freezing their nuts off.
Carl_Manchester said:
smashing said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
Brainpox said:
.... You can't gamble with people's lives because you're desperate to get down the pub.
You really shouldn't make such lazy statements. It shows your ignorance of the wider consequences of lockdown, including the pain and disruption it causes. It is *not* about going to the pub.king pub.The entire hospitality industry has huge supply chains, then there's airlines tourism etc it's all money and taxes that help fund the precious NHS and other public services.
a311 said:
Carl_Manchester said:
smashing said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
Brainpox said:
.... You can't gamble with people's lives because you're desperate to get down the pub.
You really shouldn't make such lazy statements. It shows your ignorance of the wider consequences of lockdown, including the pain and disruption it causes. It is *not* about going to the pub.king pub.The entire hospitality industry has huge supply chains, then there's airlines tourism etc it's all money and taxes that help fund the precious NHS and other public services.
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