Climate protesters block roads
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Europa1 said:
DS240 said:
Climate change is sorted then... we just need ultra expensive sailing yachts for all transatlantic travel. Why has no one thought of this before?
How did she get from Sweden to Uk for the start of this sailing out of interest?
Solar powered? Wind, maybe?
Last time, it was by train.How did she get from Sweden to Uk for the start of this sailing out of interest?
Solar powered? Wind, maybe?
jakesmith said:
Firstly a disclaimer, I despise XR and everything they stand for, their secret agenda, and their methods. However on a purely theoretical level...
I fundamentally disagree with what you’re saying
She’s not a massive jet setting globe trotting hypocrite and she’s visibly making sacrifices to embody her values and show that individuals can make changes
I’m not saying I agree with her values or message but it is stupid to say that an environmental activist who gets their message into print is a hypocrite for using printed media to propagate the message, how should she do it then?
The same for criticism of Emma Thompson. These people bring great publicity to the cause. It would not be practical for someone like that to help a cause like that and take a multiweek boat trip so it’s a jet and massive publicity or no publicity. She should have flown coach admittedly. amongst the sniggering of those who refuse to acknowledge a problem or refuse to act, there was also a great raising of the profile of the cause
It’s hardly in the league of the XR person who said air travel should only be used for emergencies and then posted pics of them skiing and in NZ on insta. There needs to be a proportionality between the harm caused by the activity that does good before just laughing and nit picking at people who, for whatever reason are trying to make a difference in the world.
I have slightly more time for Thunberg than Thompson. Thompson is a vile hypocrite, Thunberg is just a bit deluded and unrealistic about how the world works. I fundamentally disagree with what you’re saying
She’s not a massive jet setting globe trotting hypocrite and she’s visibly making sacrifices to embody her values and show that individuals can make changes
I’m not saying I agree with her values or message but it is stupid to say that an environmental activist who gets their message into print is a hypocrite for using printed media to propagate the message, how should she do it then?
The same for criticism of Emma Thompson. These people bring great publicity to the cause. It would not be practical for someone like that to help a cause like that and take a multiweek boat trip so it’s a jet and massive publicity or no publicity. She should have flown coach admittedly. amongst the sniggering of those who refuse to acknowledge a problem or refuse to act, there was also a great raising of the profile of the cause
It’s hardly in the league of the XR person who said air travel should only be used for emergencies and then posted pics of them skiing and in NZ on insta. There needs to be a proportionality between the harm caused by the activity that does good before just laughing and nit picking at people who, for whatever reason are trying to make a difference in the world.
But she still should have attended whatever conference this is on a big VC screen - that would have sent a clearer message than boating. While the journey itself may not use fuel, the construction of said thing, and the mileage it will do makes a 747 look positively environmental.
andy_s said:
jakesmith said:
Her appearing on the cover helps build her profile as a credible person
Is this what it takes to become a credible person nowadays? Credible to the credulous perhaps.
Tell you what you see if you can get on the cover of GQ magazine, rather than sniping anonymously from behind your keyboard at a 16 year old who is standing up for what she believes in then I’ll judge your credibility.
rxe said:
I have slightly more time for Thunberg than Thompson. Thompson is a vile hypocrite, Thunberg is just a bit deluded and unrealistic about how the world works.
But she still should have attended whatever conference this is on a big VC screen - that would have sent a clearer message than boating. While the journey itself may not use fuel, the construction of said thing, and the mileage it will do makes a 747 look positively environmental.
Why don’t we do everything via VC? Why don’t we never leave our homes? Because VC is not really a brilliant way of connecting with people. When you’re trying to get a message across, face to face is more effective. We use it incessantly in my industry and it’s a very poor compromise vs face to face. But she still should have attended whatever conference this is on a big VC screen - that would have sent a clearer message than boating. While the journey itself may not use fuel, the construction of said thing, and the mileage it will do makes a 747 look positively environmental.
funkyrobot said:
jakesmith said:
I’m not disputing that, she may be deluded, wrong, abused etc, my argument is solely that you can hardly criticise her for hypocrisy for getting her message in a printed publication. Better that, in terms of positive environmental impact, than an interview with some old tosspiece from a band in the 80’s or whatever they would have printed instead
Yes I can. Because that is what it is. A bunch of hypocrites pushing their agenda via a vulnerable child. This whole thing amounts to child abuse and the only reason it is allowed is because it's a 'climate emergency'.The poor girl looked terrible on that boat. The people behind her are a bunch of sick, hypocritical a
holes who have nothing better to do than tell us how we should live our lives.No way in hell would I let anyone treat my daughter like this. Her parents need a stern word with themselves.
Note how she (activist) is never far from Greta's side.
Brainwashed kid who thinks it's fine to take a year out of school. She said yesterday she's a tad frightened of being sea-sick. Could be worse than that little Greta, it's approaching hurricane season where you are headed. Oh dear.
Best thing I heard yesterday is the super yacht in question she is on apparently for some inexplicable reason has NO toilet facilities.
Interesting!
Oh, jake, there is no way 'she' got herself or her 'message' on the cover of GQ mag. That will be down the activists and moneybags climate agenda nuts guiding her.
Edited by dandarez on Thursday 15th August 21:13
dandarez said:
funkyrobot said:
jakesmith said:
I’m not disputing that, she may be deluded, wrong, abused etc, my argument is solely that you can hardly criticise her for hypocrisy for getting her message in a printed publication. Better that, in terms of positive environmental impact, than an interview with some old tosspiece from a band in the 80’s or whatever they would have printed instead
Yes I can. Because that is what it is. A bunch of hypocrites pushing their agenda via a vulnerable child. This whole thing amounts to child abuse and the only reason it is allowed is because it's a 'climate emergency'.The poor girl looked terrible on that boat. The people behind her are a bunch of sick, hypocritical a
holes who have nothing better to do than tell us how we should live our lives.No way in hell would I let anyone treat my daughter like this. Her parents need a stern word with themselves.
Note how she (activist) is never far from Greta's side.
Brainwashed kid who thinks it's fine to take a year out of school. She said yesterday she's a tad frightened of being sea-sick. Could be worse than that little Greta, it's approaching hurricane season where you are headed. Oh dear.
Best thing I heard yesterday is the super yacht in question she is on apparently for some inexplicable reason has NO toilet facilities.
Interesting!
Love the fact that you’re making out on one hand that you would be a more responsible parent than hers, before making a joke of the fact that she is in mortal danger on her trip
Hard to see how someone making a joke out of the possible death of a child is going to have the values to be a decent parent either so you’re just another hypocrite aren’t you
jakesmith said:
andy_s said:
jakesmith said:
Her appearing on the cover helps build her profile as a credible person
Is this what it takes to become a credible person nowadays? Credible to the credulous perhaps.
Tell you what you see if you can get on the cover of GQ magazine, rather than sniping anonymously from behind your keyboard at a 16 year old who is standing up for what she believes in then I’ll judge your credibility.
You don't need to judge my credibility jakesmith, I'm not purporting to tell the world what to do while not being able to tell the world what to do.
andy_s said:
Put the chimp back in the cage old sport - I'm not sniping at a poor defenceless 16 year old [we can't do that, can we - interesting that, don't you think?]. I'm critiquing the view that by being on a magazine cover she becomes more credible. A PhD certificate would add to her credibility perhaps, but not gaining some faux, manufactured celebrity status.
You don't need to judge my credibility jakesmith, I'm not purporting to tell the world what to do while not being able to tell the world what to do.
Ok well I don’t think such a high bar is required. Plenty of interesting informative discussions to be had in all walks of life without them all having phds. You don't need to judge my credibility jakesmith, I'm not purporting to tell the world what to do while not being able to tell the world what to do.
Europa1 said:
DS240 said:
Climate change is sorted then... we just need ultra expensive sailing yachts for all transatlantic travel. Why has no one thought of this before?
How did she get from Sweden to Uk for the start of this sailing out of interest?
Last time, it was by train.How did she get from Sweden to Uk for the start of this sailing out of interest?
jakesmith said:
andy_s said:
Put the chimp back in the cage old sport - I'm not sniping at a poor defenceless 16 year old [we can't do that, can we - interesting that, don't you think?]. I'm critiquing the view that by being on a magazine cover she becomes more credible. A PhD certificate would add to her credibility perhaps, but not gaining some faux, manufactured celebrity status.
You don't need to judge my credibility jakesmith, I'm not purporting to tell the world what to do while not being able to tell the world what to do.
Ok well I don’t think such a high bar is required. Plenty of interesting informative discussions to be had in all walks of life without them all having phds. You don't need to judge my credibility jakesmith, I'm not purporting to tell the world what to do while not being able to tell the world what to do.
andy_s said:
jakesmith said:
andy_s said:
Put the chimp back in the cage old sport - I'm not sniping at a poor defenceless 16 year old [we can't do that, can we - interesting that, don't you think?]. I'm critiquing the view that by being on a magazine cover she becomes more credible. A PhD certificate would add to her credibility perhaps, but not gaining some faux, manufactured celebrity status.
You don't need to judge my credibility jakesmith, I'm not purporting to tell the world what to do while not being able to tell the world what to do.
Ok well I don’t think such a high bar is required. Plenty of interesting informative discussions to be had in all walks of life without them all having phds. You don't need to judge my credibility jakesmith, I'm not purporting to tell the world what to do while not being able to tell the world what to do.
GQ is a quality publication targeted at a premium demographic of readership
The fact that the editors chose to feature her alone gives credibility, as readers trust their judgement. It’s hardly TOWIE
It doesn’t give her credibility with me just like how their feature on Corbyn didn’t but that’s not my point.
jakesmith said:
andy_s said:
jakesmith said:
andy_s said:
Put the chimp back in the cage old sport - I'm not sniping at a poor defenceless 16 year old [we can't do that, can we - interesting that, don't you think?]. I'm critiquing the view that by being on a magazine cover she becomes more credible. A PhD certificate would add to her credibility perhaps, but not gaining some faux, manufactured celebrity status.
You don't need to judge my credibility jakesmith, I'm not purporting to tell the world what to do while not being able to tell the world what to do.
Ok well I don’t think such a high bar is required. Plenty of interesting informative discussions to be had in all walks of life without them all having phds. You don't need to judge my credibility jakesmith, I'm not purporting to tell the world what to do while not being able to tell the world what to do.
GQ is a quality publication targeted at a premium demographic of readership
The fact that the editors chose to feature her alone gives credibility, as readers trust their judgement. It’s hardly TOWIE
It doesn’t give her credibility with me just like how their feature on Corbyn didn’t but that’s not my point.
andy_s said:
jakesmith said:
andy_s said:
jakesmith said:
andy_s said:
Put the chimp back in the cage old sport - I'm not sniping at a poor defenceless 16 year old [we can't do that, can we - interesting that, don't you think?]. I'm critiquing the view that by being on a magazine cover she becomes more credible. A PhD certificate would add to her credibility perhaps, but not gaining some faux, manufactured celebrity status.
You don't need to judge my credibility jakesmith, I'm not purporting to tell the world what to do while not being able to tell the world what to do.
Ok well I don’t think such a high bar is required. Plenty of interesting informative discussions to be had in all walks of life without them all having phds. You don't need to judge my credibility jakesmith, I'm not purporting to tell the world what to do while not being able to tell the world what to do.
GQ is a quality publication targeted at a premium demographic of readership
The fact that the editors chose to feature her alone gives credibility, as readers trust their judgement. It’s hardly TOWIE
It doesn’t give her credibility with me just like how their feature on Corbyn didn’t but that’s not my point.
Greta is featuring in a track for the band 1975.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49276909
Apparently they tried to contact her through her Instagram account but she never replied and it was her father who ended up organising the collaboration.
It demonstrates that she doesn't actively seek to get involved with other people and everything she does is engineered by others.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49276909
Apparently they tried to contact her through her Instagram account but she never replied and it was her father who ended up organising the collaboration.
It demonstrates that she doesn't actively seek to get involved with other people and everything she does is engineered by others.
jakesmith said:
andy_s said:
jakesmith said:
andy_s said:
jakesmith said:
andy_s said:
Put the chimp back in the cage old sport - I'm not sniping at a poor defenceless 16 year old [we can't do that, can we - interesting that, don't you think?]. I'm critiquing the view that by being on a magazine cover she becomes more credible. A PhD certificate would add to her credibility perhaps, but not gaining some faux, manufactured celebrity status.
You don't need to judge my credibility jakesmith, I'm not purporting to tell the world what to do while not being able to tell the world what to do.
Ok well I don’t think such a high bar is required. Plenty of interesting informative discussions to be had in all walks of life without them all having phds. You don't need to judge my credibility jakesmith, I'm not purporting to tell the world what to do while not being able to tell the world what to do.
GQ is a quality publication targeted at a premium demographic of readership
The fact that the editors chose to feature her alone gives credibility, as readers trust their judgement. It’s hardly TOWIE
It doesn’t give her credibility with me just like how their feature on Corbyn didn’t but that’s not my point.
It's a men's (predominantly) mag bit like Motor Sport is.
The British version of GQ (it's an American mag) circulation is not spectacular. I used to have a freebie given me (my job meant I got mags and papers sent me). I still get a few now, usually flicked through and then binned. Freebies 'aid' circulation figures, not 'buying' figures. Av circ figures last year was just above 100k for GQ print edition if I recall.
Oh, in case you didn't realise, GQ stands for Gentleman's Quarterly (or did!).
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