Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
Discussion
biggbn said:
Wow, what a wonderful response. You do the English language such a favour by using it in such witty, pithy fashion. Wish I had the intellect required to tell someone to 'grow up'. Original, succinct, damning.
I'm not going to argue about something I care so little about.All I will say is that you are nowhere near as clever as you believe yourself to be.
Our interaction is at an end.
You are welcome to the last word. You seem the sort of person who craves it...
Rovinghawk said:
I believe that the word 'veracity' was the one you wanted. Other than that, kudos for the use of big words.
The word I wanted was verisimilitude brother man, I never assume veracity, statistics don't provide veracity, they provide verisimilitude, the appearance of fact or otherwise. I suppose were we to get into pedantry one can argue that veracity will prove or disprove verisimilitude, but I hold that one cannot prove, undoubtedly, the veracity of a statistic, whereas one can, with time, prove its relative verisimilitude. One might argue veracity is binary, verisimilitude a philosophical notion, so verisimilitude suits discussion about statistics as they rarely prove anything, just validate an entrenched or otherwise opinion? Perhaps my understanding and thought process ate muddled however, always a possibility/probability!!!
Edited by biggbn on Thursday 14th February 15:07
biggbn said:
I never assume veracity
One assumes a role or responsibility. Veracity would be presumed until proven.biggbn said:
were we to get into pedantry one can argue that veracity will prove or disprove verisimilitude
Were we to get into pedantry we might consider that the appearance of something cannot be proven or disproven, merely perceived.biggbn said:
I hold that one cannot prove, undoubtedly, the veracity of a statistic, whereas one can, with time, prove its relative verisimilitude. One might argue veracity is binary, verisimilitude a philosophical notion, so verisimilitude suits discussion about statistics as they rarely prove anything, just validate an entrenched or otherwise opinion?
More kudos for the use of long words.biggbn said:
Rovinghawk said:
I believe that the word 'veracity' was the one you wanted. Other than that, kudos for the use of big words.
The word I wanted was verisimilitude brother man, I never assume veracity, statistics don't provide veracity, they provide verisimilitude, the appearance of fact or otherwise. I suppose were we to get into pedantry one can argue that veracity will prove or disprove verisimilitude, but I hold that one cannot prove, undoubtedly, the veracity of a statistic, whereas one can, with time, prove its relative verisimilitude. One might argue veracity is binary, verisimilitude a philosophical notion, so verisimilitude suits discussion about statistics as they rarely prove anything, just validate an entrenched or otherwise opinion? Perhaps my understanding and thought process ate muddled however, always a possibility/probability!!!
Edited by biggbn on Thursday 14th February 15:07
Rovinghawk said:
More kudos for the use of long words.
Kudos for a civilised discussion brother man, a sometimes rare occurrence in here? Words fascinate me. I worry we have a Wittgensteinian paradox whereby language may or may not limit our ability to express ourselves, but the barred walls of his imagined cage grow ever smaller as language withers on a vine of misuse and underuse. Ironically as society and cultures evolve, language and our ability to use it may be moving backwards. Anyhow, I blame jeremy corbyn and his cabal of sinister Marxist ninjas for this ongoing linguistic erosion, why not, everything else seems to be his fault!!
Data showing an apparent correlation between a reduction in conflict and MAD can no more prove causation than any amount of semantic gymnastics and logical fallacies can even evidence otherwise. I've yet to hear a more convincing argument as to why the cold war didn't escalate beyond proxy regional wars into WW3 though.
SpeckledJim said:
I think there's little doubt that the nuclear weapons held by the USA and USSR prevented a WWIII. In 1945 the situation in Europe was basically perfectly primed for the next gigantic set-to, and MAD was the only thing that stopped it. (in my humble opinion).
I think if Henry Wallace had stayed as VP and then become P (instead of Truman), then the course of USSR/USA interaction would have been different and the 'peace' that ensued would not have been due to MAD but to a different path.biggbn said:
Rovinghawk said:
More kudos for the use of long words.
Kudos for a civilised discussion brother man, a sometimes rare occurrence in here? Words fascinate me. I worry we have a Wittgensteinian paradox whereby language may or may not limit our ability to express ourselves, but the barred walls of his imagined cage grow ever smaller as language withers on a vine of misuse and underuse. Ironically as society and cultures evolve, language and our ability to use it may be moving backwards. Anyhow, I blame jeremy corbyn and his cabal of sinister Marxist ninjas for this ongoing linguistic erosion, why not, everything else seems to be his fault!!
Russian Troll Bot said:
biggbn said:
Remaining appeal of corbyn? For me corbyn is still the most genuine of a disingenuous lot, although his principled protester act is growing old. He reminds me of an emaciated Brando impersonator who when questioned, what are you protesting about growls 'whaadya got?'Personally, I wish he would nail his colours to the flagpole. He is in a personally luxurious position of being a eurosceptic who has always prized the democratic process above all. Cake/eat it. But, there lie monsters. It would be disastrous for his party to advocate either side with any vehemence as one alienates half the country and commensurately more of a given potentiality of electorate. Damned if you do damned if you don't. I believe a corbyn led government, regardless of Brexit outcome, is our countrys only chance for a workable modern socialist system, bringing us in line with other European countries who have successfully managed their own infrastructures for years, Germany, France and most of the Scandinavian countries being prime example. What our electorate have been repeatedly told are hard left Marxist policies would have been considered centrist sensibility in the seventies and are considered as a social and cultural necessity throughout Europe. Our media barons continually paint everything with the red brush or employ the 'look, a squirrel' diversionary tactic every day maybe May f
ks something else up...go check ongoing windrush status for examples of things the populace know fk all about, or Grenfell.
He's not genuine in the slightest though. Every time he gets picked up on something from his past he'll make a half-arsed excuse such as being "present but not involved" or "condemning all forms of violence". He spent his career campaigning against the EU, now mumbles something about 6 tests and all options being on the table. Claims to be rooting out Antisemitism, but does nothing about it. Completely silent on Venezuela, a country he told us showed another way was possible. Takes money from Iran and associates with holocaust deniers. Yet is right at the front of the queue to specifically condemn Israel.ks something else up...go check ongoing windrush status for examples of things the populace know fk all about, or Grenfell.Cobnapint said:
Or claiming he said 'stupid people' when he clearly said something else.
The list is long.
Or making a video whilst sitting on the floor of a train to push the point that there were no seats left when said train was only half full.The list is long.
In the world that everyone else inhabits, that is is known as a lie.
biggbn said:
Kudos for a civilised discussion brother man, a sometimes rare occurrence in here? Words fascinate me. I worry we have a Wittgensteinian paradox whereby language may or may not limit our ability to express ourselves, but the barred walls of his imagined cage grow ever smaller as language withers on a vine of misuse and underuse. Ironically as society and cultures evolve, language and our ability to use it may be moving backwards.
Anyhow, I blame jeremy corbyn and his cabal of sinister Marxist ninjas for this ongoing linguistic erosion, why not, everything else seems to be his fault!!
Definitely a student, as someone has already suggested; probably heavily involved with the SU - on loads of their "equality" committees at a guess - also does loads of work for the local student Momentum/Labour/Socialist/Communist society or similar. Studying a piss-poor course - Trades Union Studies, or some sAnyhow, I blame jeremy corbyn and his cabal of sinister Marxist ninjas for this ongoing linguistic erosion, why not, everything else seems to be his fault!!
te, first in his family to get there so think's he's bright as fk and better than the rest when he's actually a bit thick - "educated beyond his intelligence" as my grandfather used to put it. fblm said:
Data showing an apparent correlation between a reduction in conflict and MAD can no more prove causation than any amount of semantic gymnastics and logical fallacies can even evidence otherwise. I've yet to hear a more convincing argument as to why the cold war didn't escalate beyond proxy regional wars into WW3 though.
Bunny rabbits.
AJL308 said:
biggbn said:
Kudos for a civilised discussion brother man, a sometimes rare occurrence in here? Words fascinate me. I worry we have a Wittgensteinian paradox whereby language may or may not limit our ability to express ourselves, but the barred walls of his imagined cage grow ever smaller as language withers on a vine of misuse and underuse. Ironically as society and cultures evolve, language and our ability to use it may be moving backwards.
Anyhow, I blame jeremy corbyn and his cabal of sinister Marxist ninjas for this ongoing linguistic erosion, why not, everything else seems to be his fault!!
Definitely a student, as someone has already suggested; probably heavily involved with the SU - on loads of their "equality" committees at a guess - also does loads of work for the local student Momentum/Labour/Socialist/Communist society or similar. Studying a piss-poor course - Trades Union Studies, or some sAnyhow, I blame jeremy corbyn and his cabal of sinister Marxist ninjas for this ongoing linguistic erosion, why not, everything else seems to be his fault!!
te, first in his family to get there so think's he's bright as fk and better than the rest when he's actually a bit thick - "educated beyond his intelligence" as my grandfather used to put it. Long list of dodgy cars and some gems. I think petrolheads are a broad congregation. However this is obviously a troll for PH as surely anyone with any familiarity with the posting style on here would know not to refer to other people as 'brother man'
Which I think is a bit like Norfolk people who have a sister mother
Anyway its clearly a wind up, The success of MAD in reducing global conflicts is not in any doubt. I can hear Thatcher now - ''our own independant nuclear deterrant has helped to keep the peace for over forty years''
If anyone knows which Roger Waters track that is a soundbite on ... then you are automatically cool... (no google)
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