Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
Discussion
PurpleMoonlight said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Stupid or not, every now and again people do make the right decision, in this case, the one to get the UK out of the EU as soon as legally possible.
That remains to be seen.
///ajd said:
PRTVR said:
Jimboka said:
'Brexit means Brexit'
Slight problem, nobody knows what Brexit will be.
Seems to be heading for freedom of movement in exchange for access to the single market.The FOM part is great for the young Brits & those who like the option of moving to EU etc .
But not what most Brexit voters wanted & A lot worse for Remainers than the new deal which Cameron negotiated .
I keep hearing FOM is great for young Brits but how many actually go to universities abroad ? I was talking to a few the other day who were struggling with English let alone a foreign language, it could have just been me as they appeared to understand each other. Slight problem, nobody knows what Brexit will be.
Seems to be heading for freedom of movement in exchange for access to the single market.The FOM part is great for the young Brits & those who like the option of moving to EU etc .
But not what most Brexit voters wanted & A lot worse for Remainers than the new deal which Cameron negotiated .
It is more common now, and the international links of many good unis are impressive.
You should stop putting down the UKs next generation. I'm sure they'll run rings around some of the old farts on here
Ted was in there, he's an 'old fart', a really old fart. He's knocking on, and I mean knocking on!
He says he's 90. Landi says 94. Ted's eyesight is not what it was, but his hearing is still good. He was quietly sipping his pint of bitter. Usually in the week the pub is quiet, but this lot (from town, not seen them before) were more than boisterous and drinking a tad too much.
One lad started making remarks about the dreadful future the young now have (bit like you keep coming up with). As they got noisier, now making anti Brexit comments, downing their bottles (glasses are too old-fashioned for them?) of Becks or whatever, there was an interruption. I was down the end of the pub with two mates, but it even made me sit up.
Ted had hit his table with his old home-made walking stick... very hard!
'You f kers, harpin' on about your bloody bleak future?'
'You're all mates are you?'
'You should have been f king 17 when I was. I lost half my mates.'
'And for f king what?'
As the landi comforted Ted, they all left. I think they were in shock. Perhaps they learnt something, but I doubt it.
dandarez said:
As the landi comforted Ted, they all left. I think they were in shock. Perhaps they learnt something, but I doubt it.
What, that Ted voted out because he fought the Germans in a world war?Time have changed and they are right to be concerned with their future. Ted hasn't a lengthy one left to worry about.
///ajd said:
Art 112 and 113 won't apply just because "you don't like foreigners". Any cheeky application would be stamped on by the EU - and North should realise that. He does actually, so its not helpful to given false hope to those not smart enough to see it.
Licht option - with a pop of 35k - will hardly apply to the UK. Otherwise Switzerland would be doing it already - and they can't.
Such flawed dreams - dream on!
i see you mention the erasmus program . i have heard that mentioned by a few dreamainers now , kind of supports the view in some quarters there was a large dose of pro eu propaganda in the design and implementation of the program to encourage the pro eu mentality displayed now by those that have been involved. ye , i know, will go look out the tin foil hat Licht option - with a pop of 35k - will hardly apply to the UK. Otherwise Switzerland would be doing it already - and they can't.
Such flawed dreams - dream on!
jjlynn27 said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
What, that Ted voted out because he fought the Germans in a world war?
Time have changed and they are right to be concerned with their future. Ted hasn't a lengthy one left to worry about.
Even by his standards, rather bizarre post. Time have changed and they are right to be concerned with their future. Ted hasn't a lengthy one left to worry about.
///ajd said:
Quite alot actually. I did it back in the 90s, completed some of my engineering degree in a Parisian Grand Ecole under Erasmus.
It is more common now, and the international links of many good unis are impressive.
You should stop putting down the UKs next generation. I'm sure they'll run rings around some of the old farts on here
Your Crap'O'meter is getting fullIt is more common now, and the international links of many good unis are impressive.
You should stop putting down the UKs next generation. I'm sure they'll run rings around some of the old farts on here
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Pan Pan Pan said:
No one is complaining about immigration, what people are concerned about is uncontrolled immigration.
As the UK is now officially the most densely populated country in the EU, having recently overtaken Holland for that dubious title. How do people think that adding the equivalent of a town the size of Swindon (from the EU alone) to the UK`s population level every year, is going to make it easier for those already here? How is it going to make it easier to get a school / university place, a job, a home, decent health care, transport etc, when each person already in the UK, must compete with an extra three hundred and thirty thousand people coming here every year looking for the exactly the same things?
No one can blame those coming here from the EU, and from the rest of the world for doing so, but one only has to look at the colossal size and population of E poolurope, and the rest of the world to realize that the UK simply cannot cope with the numbers of people who want to come here. Trying to put thousands into one, simply does not go.
Pleople from all over the world are drawn to the UK amongst other countries, in the same way that survivors from a sinking ship would be drawn to a lifeboat, which is fine until the lifeboat gets swamped by far more than it can reasonably cope with, and even that is when the weather is fair and calm (what happens when a storm comes up, is that it would make matters far worse) either way, the end result is that the lifeboat sinks under the weight of far too many people than it can reasonably cope with, so that instead of having the maximum reasonable number of survivors, ALL will drown.
I live 30 miles from London. So in one of the most densely populated parts of the UK but the town I live in is surrounded by open fields. So no we are not running out of room. As the UK is now officially the most densely populated country in the EU, having recently overtaken Holland for that dubious title. How do people think that adding the equivalent of a town the size of Swindon (from the EU alone) to the UK`s population level every year, is going to make it easier for those already here? How is it going to make it easier to get a school / university place, a job, a home, decent health care, transport etc, when each person already in the UK, must compete with an extra three hundred and thirty thousand people coming here every year looking for the exactly the same things?
No one can blame those coming here from the EU, and from the rest of the world for doing so, but one only has to look at the colossal size and population of E poolurope, and the rest of the world to realize that the UK simply cannot cope with the numbers of people who want to come here. Trying to put thousands into one, simply does not go.
Pleople from all over the world are drawn to the UK amongst other countries, in the same way that survivors from a sinking ship would be drawn to a lifeboat, which is fine until the lifeboat gets swamped by far more than it can reasonably cope with, and even that is when the weather is fair and calm (what happens when a storm comes up, is that it would make matters far worse) either way, the end result is that the lifeboat sinks under the weight of far too many people than it can reasonably cope with, so that instead of having the maximum reasonable number of survivors, ALL will drown.
As for EU immigrants I would suggest we would be drowning without them.
wc98 said:
i think ted's point may have been half his mates had a bit more on their plate at 17 than worrying whether they would need a visa to ponce around in the sorbonne for a year or two . maybe.
After that you think about 'ted's point'? Yes that's what people usually do @ Sorbonne. Prance around. f
k unis, lets all go fishing instead, right? 
PRTVR said:
Jimboka said:
'Brexit means Brexit'
Slight problem, nobody knows what Brexit will be.
Seems to be heading for freedom of movement in exchange for access to the single market.The FOM part is great for the young Brits & those who like the option of moving to EU etc .
But not what most Brexit voters wanted & A lot worse for Remainers than the new deal which Cameron negotiated .
I keep hearing FOM is great for young Brits but how many actually go to universities abroad ? I was talking to a few the other day who were struggling with English let alone a foreign language, it could have just been me as they appeared to understand each other. Slight problem, nobody knows what Brexit will be.
Seems to be heading for freedom of movement in exchange for access to the single market.The FOM part is great for the young Brits & those who like the option of moving to EU etc .
But not what most Brexit voters wanted & A lot worse for Remainers than the new deal which Cameron negotiated .
Luckily I can get Irish EU citizenship due to a grandparent I never met so the damage is limited.
Jimboka said:
What about those who would like the option to move to Frankfurt/Paris when the well paid jobs go there! The choice of the older generation who want to move to the sun is also at risk. However Brexit light will most likely mean business as usual, including EU nationals the right to carry on as before here. So Remainers will be hacked off that the economy was ruined by the Brexit camp. Brexit hacked off due to EU migrants & no 350m a week to NHS . We all lose, Europe win. Good work.
Luckily I can get Irish EU citizenship due to a grandparent I never met so the damage is limited.
Your Crap'O'meter is getting fullLuckily I can get Irish EU citizenship due to a grandparent I never met so the damage is limited.
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///ajd said:
hidetheelephants said:
jjlynn27 said:
hidetheelephants said:
What part of the EEA's FOM being conditional and subject to unilateral controls do you not understand? Is it that complicated?
It would be simpler if you explain more. If it's North's Licht option it was discussed before. As I understand, 'Norway' option doesn't include controls. Happy to be corrected. EEA agreement said:
If serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties of a sectorial or regional nature liable to persist are arising, a Contracting Party may unilaterally take appropriate measures under the conditions and procedures laid down in Article 113.
Not a sinecure as (re)joining the EEA requires the consent of the members and there will be horse trading needed to get that. North does venture the idea that as we are are technically still in the EEA we don't need to join but he doesn't put much store in it. Licht option - with a pop of 35k - will hardly apply to the UK. Otherwise Switzerland would be doing it already - and they can't.
Such flawed dreams - dream on!
ks? Really? First of all, why are you mentioning Switzerland in points about EEA? They are not a member.
Secondly, and many on this thread will remember - you refuted my experience living and working in Zurich, including the fact that my residency visa was initially refused. "They've signed up to the four freedoms", you cried repeatedly.
Until it was demonstrated, using Swiss government documentation that they do put significant restrictions on movement and labour for any period over 90 days.
Each time, you go from assertion to assertion, to being shown clear irrefutable evidence, to going quiet for a week or two then spouting the same b
ks. At least four times so far - do we need a fifth in a couple of weeks?
Jimboka said:
What about those who would like the option to move to Frankfurt/Paris when the well paid jobs go there!
I have been working for an international company for a few years now and it is really striking how many of our team work outside of their country of origin. We have a real mix of nationalities working all over Europe located in the best regions for their roles. In reality, I can't imagine that will be jeopardized by this process. However, it does strike me that a lot of people in the UK cannot see the positive impact of freedom of movement.
Mrr T said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
No one is complaining about immigration, what people are concerned about is uncontrolled immigration.
As the UK is now officially the most densely populated country in the EU, having recently overtaken Holland for that dubious title. How do people think that adding the equivalent of a town the size of Swindon (from the EU alone) to the UK`s population level every year, is going to make it easier for those already here? How is it going to make it easier to get a school / university place, a job, a home, decent health care, transport etc, when each person already in the UK, must compete with an extra three hundred and thirty thousand people coming here every year looking for the exactly the same things?
No one can blame those coming here from the EU, and from the rest of the world for doing so, but one only has to look at the colossal size and population of E poolurope, and the rest of the world to realize that the UK simply cannot cope with the numbers of people who want to come here. Trying to put thousands into one, simply does not go.
Pleople from all over the world are drawn to the UK amongst other countries, in the same way that survivors from a sinking ship would be drawn to a lifeboat, which is fine until the lifeboat gets swamped by far more than it can reasonably cope with, and even that is when the weather is fair and calm (what happens when a storm comes up, is that it would make matters far worse) either way, the end result is that the lifeboat sinks under the weight of far too many people than it can reasonably cope with, so that instead of having the maximum reasonable number of survivors, ALL will drown.
I live 30 miles from London. So in one of the most densely populated parts of the UK but the town I live in is surrounded by open fields. So no we are not running out of room. As the UK is now officially the most densely populated country in the EU, having recently overtaken Holland for that dubious title. How do people think that adding the equivalent of a town the size of Swindon (from the EU alone) to the UK`s population level every year, is going to make it easier for those already here? How is it going to make it easier to get a school / university place, a job, a home, decent health care, transport etc, when each person already in the UK, must compete with an extra three hundred and thirty thousand people coming here every year looking for the exactly the same things?
No one can blame those coming here from the EU, and from the rest of the world for doing so, but one only has to look at the colossal size and population of E poolurope, and the rest of the world to realize that the UK simply cannot cope with the numbers of people who want to come here. Trying to put thousands into one, simply does not go.
Pleople from all over the world are drawn to the UK amongst other countries, in the same way that survivors from a sinking ship would be drawn to a lifeboat, which is fine until the lifeboat gets swamped by far more than it can reasonably cope with, and even that is when the weather is fair and calm (what happens when a storm comes up, is that it would make matters far worse) either way, the end result is that the lifeboat sinks under the weight of far too many people than it can reasonably cope with, so that instead of having the maximum reasonable number of survivors, ALL will drown.
) That suggests to me we either don't have enough housing or the economics of working here doesn't support local housing costs (I'd put a bet on the later as we have a skewed rental market locally) - either way I'm seeing life differently to you.Would you rather we concreted over the fields and built more housing?
Mrr T said:
As for EU immigrants I would suggest we would be drowning without them.
I don't have an issue with a managed level of economic migration but the key word is managed - what really boils my weee is we have ~2 million people who can't/don't want to work because the welfare system leads to a better std of living than working - as a result we fill the jobs with economic migrants and fail to deal with the core issue?
brilliant. Hypocrosy at its very finest Elysium said:
Jimboka said:
What about those who would like the option to move to Frankfurt/Paris when the well paid jobs go there!
In reality, I can't imagine that will be jeopardized by this process. However, it does strike me that a lot of people in the UK cannot see the positive impact of freedom of movement. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff