Welsh lockdown

[Byker28i]

Why midway through the summer holidays though. Could they have done it earlier to encourage more visitors/tourists to help those industries who really suffered last year?

I see Wrexham, Flintshire and Conwy are leading the figures for covid, especially in under 25's
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52380643

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 14th July 13:49

[P-Jay]

MD has also, begrudgingly some might say, agreed that fully Vaccinated people can now travel from amber Countries without isolation, so I get to go on Hols next month!

Mrs and Kids are giddy with excitement.

[P-Jay]

Byker28i said:

Why midway through the summer holidays though. Could they have done it earlier to encourage more visitors/tourists to help those industries who really suffered last year?

I see Wrexham, Flintshire and Conwy are leading the figures for covid, especially in under 25's
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52380643

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 14th July 13:49

I haven't digested all the details yet, but the differences between the July 17th rules and August 7th are reasonably mild.

I think this will be it, barring any fk ups until Spring though, it'll be masks in indoor public spaces, public transport and healthcare until Spring.

[Byker28i]

P-Jay said:

Byker28i said:

Why midway through the summer holidays though. Could they have done it earlier to encourage more visitors/tourists to help those industries who really suffered last year?

I see Wrexham, Flintshire and Conwy are leading the figures for covid, especially in under 25's
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52380643

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 14th July 13:49

I haven't digested all the details yet, but the differences between the July 17th rules and August 7th are reasonably mild.

I think this will be it, barring any fk ups until Spring though, it'll be masks in indoor public spaces, public transport and healthcare until Spring.

I was thinking the limited visitor numbers allowed at attractions etc. Many of the family attractions rely on the summer period as does many of the seasonal workers, usually the youngsters.

[Byker28i]

Whats interesting in that report is the 1.4% of the welsh population affected by Long Covid

[P-Jay]

Byker28i said:

P-Jay said:

Byker28i said:

Why midway through the summer holidays though. Could they have done it earlier to encourage more visitors/tourists to help those industries who really suffered last year?

I see Wrexham, Flintshire and Conwy are leading the figures for covid, especially in under 25's
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52380643

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 14th July 13:49

I haven't digested all the details yet, but the differences between the July 17th rules and August 7th are reasonably mild.

I think this will be it, barring any fk ups until Spring though, it'll be masks in indoor public spaces, public transport and healthcare until Spring.

I was thinking the limited visitor numbers allowed at attractions etc. Many of the family attractions rely on the summer period as does many of the seasonal workers, usually the youngsters.

Yeah, that's a fair one. Now I've read more of the details, it's actually a bigger chance then I gave it credit for, effectively 'normal life' bar masks on Public Transport, Shops and Healthcare.

It's odd to think that come August you would wear a mask on a Bus to the town centre, wear it to walk around Tesco, then take it off and join the scrum at the bar, or heaven forbid the dancefloor of the local cattle market, but I guess the data says that's the way to go.

[Byker28i]

P-Jay said:

MD has also, begrudgingly some might say, agreed that fully Vaccinated people can now travel from amber Countries without isolation, so I get to go on Hols next month!

Mrs and Kids are giddy with excitement.

Although it also says that people should avoid non essential international travel, this is the year to holiday in the UK

IS there a scrum at the bar, aren't they still doing sit down service?

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 14th July 14:16

[MG CHRIS]

So is drakeford now not listening to the science because the scientist are saying we shouldn't release any further. Also how can we be at zero with cases over 1k a day when we were on level 4 at below 200.
Or has he finally understood that as we are all pretty much vaccinated and the rest aren't really paying much attention along with the money taps from Westminster being turned of he has no other option

Oh and drakeford spend that 1 billion you are sitting on towards business and people that desperately need it instead of wasting it.

[Byker28i]

So from Saturday it's
Up to six people can meet indoors in private homes and holiday accommodation;
Organised indoor events can take place for up to 1,000 seated and up to 200 standing;
Limits on the numbers of people who can meet in outdoor public places or at events will be removed;
Outdoor premises and events will also have greater flexibility around physical distancing;
Ice rinks can re-open;
New rules for children's residential activity centres so children in groups of up to 30 can visit;
A specific requirement for employees to provide comprehensive information on the risks and mitigations identified in the Covid risk assessment with their employees.

The Alert level 0 from 7 August, more relaxations

[P-Jay]

Byker28i said:

P-Jay said:

MD has also, begrudgingly some might say, agreed that fully Vaccinated people can now travel from amber Countries without isolation, so I get to go on Hols next month!

Mrs and Kids are giddy with excitement.

Although it also says that people should avoid non essential international travel, this is the year to holiday in the UK

IS there a scrum at the bar, aren't they still doing sit down service?

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 14th July 14:16

I'd love to comply, I've had some great Holidays in Wales and the rest of the UK, but I don't belong to the stereotypical 6 (or is it 7 now?) figure salary, multiple directorship PH group so can't afford £7k for a week in a Caravan in Tenby.

If we didn't share this Island with 63m other souls who aren't being restricted I'd have more inclination to follow it, but, and I think this is something MD uses as a political tool more than anything else, a line drawn on a map won't stop CV coming into Wales from England.

Not to mention, as Australia and sadly, soon NZ have learnt, you can't keep variants out, unless you're prepared to go all the way with it.

I'm off to France, their numbers are about 10% of ours (the UK), well pending the full details later, because you need to check the small print with this st.

[Sargeant Orange]

I don't think they've grasped the level of dislike for face masks. For those equidistant from Bristol/Cardiff it will simply drive Welsh consumers over the border, and similarly for those living close to the border elsewhere.

I don't see a proposed end date for masks in there unless I've missed it

[BoRED S2upid]

MG CHRIS said:

So is drakeford now not listening to the science because the scientist are saying we shouldn't release any further. Also how can we be at zero with cases over 1k a day when we were on level 4 at below 200.

Because deaths are at rock bottom. Cases will continue to rise as with anything people catch viruses all the time.

Read something from the ONS yesterday that all deaths in England and Wales in a week only 1% are covid related.

We all need to get on with our lives.

[Evanivitch]

Sargeant Orange said:

I don't think they've grasped the level of dislike for face masks. For those equidistant from Bristol/Cardiff it will simply drive Welsh consumers over the border, and similarly for those living close to the border elsewhere.

I don't see a proposed end date for masks in there unless I've missed it

There's already bus loads organised for the first weekend that Bristol is open to proper nightlife. It's going to be messy.

[wobert]

Sargeant Orange said:

I don't think they've grasped the level of dislike for face masks. For those equidistant from Bristol/Cardiff it will simply drive Welsh consumers over the border, and similarly for those living close to the border elsewhere.

I don't see a proposed end date for masks in there unless I've missed it

This….

I live less than a mile from the border.

So I will heading to England to do my shopping sans face-covering.

[P-Jay]

MG CHRIS said:

So is drakeford now not listening to the science because the scientist are saying we shouldn't release any further. Also how can we be at zero with cases over 1k a day when we were on level 4 at below 200.
Or has he finally understood that as we are all pretty much vaccinated and the rest aren't really paying much attention along with the money taps from Westminster being turned of he has no other option

Oh and drakeford spend that 1 billion you are sitting on towards business and people that desperately need it instead of wasting it.

I think by retaining masks in most public spaces he is listening to the Scientists, but I think we have to remember there is more than one point of view (I'm not talking about some mad Trump esq alternative fact BS).

If you ask some GPs, or some of those ITU Docs or Nurses you seem to find on twitter, with their sole focus on healthcare and of course first hand knowledge of what it can do, we'd be back in full lockdown for, well until a cure is found or a near-100% effective vaccine. But there is a Mental Health aspect, an economic aspect and a social science aspect to consider.

I've noticed how public opinion has shifted from fear of the virus, to fear of restrictions over the first 12 months of the pandemic, and now despite some people have a justifiable fear of easing of restrictions, mostly on behalf of others.

I think most people now accept that the only way out of this, unless we're prepared to live with these (admittedly mild) restrictions is an exit wave, we could wait longer until the last few stragglers have had their 2nd jab (bear in mind that Cardiff Mass Vaccine Centre is starting to scale back as they're running out of 2nd jabs to give and willing patients for their 1st) but that would move it closer to Flu season.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57785073

[robuk]

MG CHRIS said:

Also how can we be at zero with cases over 1k a day when we were on level 4 at below 200.
Or has he finally understood that as we are all pretty much vaccinated

Literally what the doc says?

“Of the 3,666 confirmed delta cases at 6 July, 48.8% were unvaccinated, 33.6% had received their first dose and 17.6% were fully vaccinated. Thirty-eight people of the 3,666 confirmed delta cases had been hospitalised (1%). This underlines the effectiveness and importance of being fully vaccinated.” < data as example of it from the doc.



Wales one of the best vaccination roll outs in the world, which allows this to happen.

It really is not rocket science. Although Richard Branson can do that now, so perhaps that is not a good comparator.

[P-Jay]

Sargeant Orange said:

I don't think they've grasped the level of dislike for face masks. For those equidistant from Bristol/Cardiff it will simply drive Welsh consumers over the border, and similarly for those living close to the border elsewhere.

I don't see a proposed end date for masks in there unless I've missed it

No, there are no plans past August 7th, but there are still reviews every 3 weeks.

I suspect this is it for now, masks being part of our lives for the rest of the year, they don't bother me in shops / Healthcare / public transport, although I accept it does bother others.

Maybe is Warwick are right and England's exit wave blows itself out in Oct then he might change his mind, but Boris seems to be getting cold feet on the complete removal of restrictions now.

[Byker28i]

P-Jay said:

I'd love to comply, I've had some great Holidays in Wales and the rest of the UK, but I don't belong to the stereotypical 6 (or is it 7 now?) figure salary, multiple directorship PH group so can't afford £7k for a week in a Caravan in Tenby.

If we didn't share this Island with 63m other souls who aren't being restricted I'd have more inclination to follow it, but, and I think this is something MD uses as a political tool more than anything else, a line drawn on a map won't stop CV coming into Wales from England.

Not to mention, as Australia and sadly, soon NZ have learnt, you can't keep variants out, unless you're prepared to go all the way with it.

I'm off to France, their numbers are about 10% of ours (the UK), well pending the full details later, because you need to check the small print with this st.

Are the prices because only the expensive stuff is left, or profiteering over whats left? Everything seems pretty well booked up locally, although I'd stay clear of Tenby, horribly full of tourists on the summer with associated traffic problems...

[P-Jay]

Byker28i said:

P-Jay said:

I'd love to comply, I've had some great Holidays in Wales and the rest of the UK, but I don't belong to the stereotypical 6 (or is it 7 now?) figure salary, multiple directorship PH group so can't afford £7k for a week in a Caravan in Tenby.

If we didn't share this Island with 63m other souls who aren't being restricted I'd have more inclination to follow it, but, and I think this is something MD uses as a political tool more than anything else, a line drawn on a map won't stop CV coming into Wales from England.

Not to mention, as Australia and sadly, soon NZ have learnt, you can't keep variants out, unless you're prepared to go all the way with it.

I'm off to France, their numbers are about 10% of ours (the UK), well pending the full details later, because you need to check the small print with this st.

Are the prices because only the expensive stuff is left, or profiteering over whats left? Everything seems pretty well booked up locally, although I'd stay clear of Tenby, horribly full of tourists on the summer with associated traffic problems...

I don't like Tenby much, then I don't like beaches anyway.

I tried Bluestone, our go-to weekend Break, they were completely booked up for the rest of the year.

Frankly I'm glad I took a gamble on booking a Chalet in Morzine back in Feb, I got the tunnel, a large Chalet and a Holiday camp on the way down for 2 nights for a relative pittance, once England allowed vaccine passports our agent said his inbox went crazy, if, as expected France and the UK announce mutual green list status tomorrow, it will kick off again I guess.

[MG CHRIS]

BoRED S2upid said:

MG CHRIS said:

So is drakeford now not listening to the science because the scientist are saying we shouldn't release any further. Also how can we be at zero with cases over 1k a day when we were on level 4 at below 200.

Because deaths are at rock bottom. Cases will continue to rise as with anything people catch viruses all the time.

Read something from the ONS yesterday that all deaths in England and Wales in a week only 1% are covid related.

We all need to get on with our lives.

I'm aware of that but we were single digit deaths at level 4 months ago with low cases now we have high cases we at level zero. Fully agree with the last part I've been saying the same for months now just the mix messaging we have received.