Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?
Discussion
jakesmith said:
Very very nice.
Also let's avoid whataboutery where possible please. You & biggbn are rightfully very prompt at pointing it out when others do so no double standards from you two normally unhypocritical posters please. Johnson's turgid conduct does not excuse anyone else's.
Let's look at Starmer's behavior on Starmer's thread and you are free to criticise Johnson on his own cesspit of a thread.
Sorry Jake I think you're conflating my opinion on Rayner's behaviour (wrong) with Turbobloke being so desperate after this weeks events that he has to trawl the Starmer thread for any little crumb he can find.Also let's avoid whataboutery where possible please. You & biggbn are rightfully very prompt at pointing it out when others do so no double standards from you two normally unhypocritical posters please. Johnson's turgid conduct does not excuse anyone else's.
Let's look at Starmer's behavior on Starmer's thread and you are free to criticise Johnson on his own cesspit of a thread.
I know it's mean spirited of me but f
king hell it's funny 
jakesmith said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:jakesmith said:
Ok so we agree you completely misrepresented his comments then - thanks.
If that's how you want to see it that's fine with me Jake.Also let's avoid whataboutery where possible please. You & biggbn are rightfully very prompt at pointing it out when others do so no double standards from you two normally unhypocritical posters please. Johnson's turgid conduct does not excuse anyone else's.
Let's look at Starmer's behavior on Starmer's thread and you are free to criticise Johnson on his own cesspit of a thread.
Enjoy your day you irascible rogue!!
biggbn said:
Jake can I please remind you that the very first time we sparred you encouraged me not to bring up the hapless Theresa May in the Jeremy Corbyn thread, giving me just the advice you are giving now (ah, remember the days the now discredited and largely vilified Treezy was defended so vociferously by the faithful?), and then you brought up Antisemitism on the thread about Islamaphobia, and 'but labour/lefty/Marxist ' on many threads criticising any Tory you happen to like. I have used a saying about glass houses and bricks a few times now, so, whatabouthem?
Enjoy your day you irascible rogue!!
Tu quoque is no arguement my dear buddy!Enjoy your day you irascible rogue!!
May... there's a blast from the past. Better forgotten, but as you brought her up I bet you'd you'd switch your current PM out for her in a heartbeat if you were offered that particular hypothetical Hobsen's choice!
Have a great day too pal
jakesmith said:
biggbn said:
Jake can I please remind you that the very first time we sparred you encouraged me not to bring up the hapless Theresa May in the Jeremy Corbyn thread, giving me just the advice you are giving now (ah, remember the days the now discredited and largely vilified Treezy was defended so vociferously by the faithful?), and then you brought up Antisemitism on the thread about Islamaphobia, and 'but labour/lefty/Marxist ' on many threads criticising any Tory you happen to like. I have used a saying about glass houses and bricks a few times now, so, whatabouthem?
Enjoy your day you irascible rogue!!
Tu quoque is no arguement my dear buddy!Enjoy your day you irascible rogue!!
May... there's a blast from the past. Better forgotten, but as you brought her up I bet you'd you'd switch your current PM out for her in a heartbeat if you were offered that particular hypothetical Hobsen's choice!
Have a great day too pal
biggbn said:
jakesmith said:
biggbn said:
Jake can I please remind you that the very first time we sparred you encouraged me not to bring up the hapless Theresa May in the Jeremy Corbyn thread, giving me just the advice you are giving now (ah, remember the days the now discredited and largely vilified Treezy was defended so vociferously by the faithful?), and then you brought up Antisemitism on the thread about Islamaphobia, and 'but labour/lefty/Marxist ' on many threads criticising any Tory you happen to like. I have used a saying about glass houses and bricks a few times now, so, whatabouthem?
Enjoy your day you irascible rogue!!
Tu quoque is no arguement my dear buddy!Enjoy your day you irascible rogue!!
May... there's a blast from the past. Better forgotten, but as you brought her up I bet you'd you'd switch your current PM out for her in a heartbeat if you were offered that particular hypothetical Hobsen's choice!
Have a great day too pal
Calling the referendum aside, he didn’t do much wrong for me (centre-left Labour member).
markyb_lcy said:
One David Cameron is worth both of these combined.
Calling the referendum aside, he didn’t do much wrong for me (centre-left Labour member).
Cameron was Blair mk II.Calling the referendum aside, he didn’t do much wrong for me (centre-left Labour member).
He crippled the police service for no purpose. He backed away from trying to ensure it could be made purpose fit for the new times. He went for headlines and not substance. He lacked the bottle to tackle it.
He lied about the NHS. Time and times again.
He massively increased student fees. Mind you, I suppose the increase cost to the taxpayer could be balanced against the savings of not having patrolling PCs.
A positive? LBGT rights.
Negatives also included a complete misjudgement of the farage effect and. which defined the man, cutting and running when it all went wrong.
A despicable man, but maybe not quite as much as Johnson. May was just out of her depth. She was out of her shallows as well.
As win trebles go, it's a cracker. May, at least, did her best. Not so much a positive as an indictment I suppose, but she was fighting most of her party.
markyb_lcy said:
biggbn said:
jakesmith said:
biggbn said:
Jake can I please remind you that the very first time we sparred you encouraged me not to bring up the hapless Theresa May in the Jeremy Corbyn thread, giving me just the advice you are giving now (ah, remember the days the now discredited and largely vilified Treezy was defended so vociferously by the faithful?), and then you brought up Antisemitism on the thread about Islamaphobia, and 'but labour/lefty/Marxist ' on many threads criticising any Tory you happen to like. I have used a saying about glass houses and bricks a few times now, so, whatabouthem?
Enjoy your day you irascible rogue!!
Tu quoque is no arguement my dear buddy!Enjoy your day you irascible rogue!!
May... there's a blast from the past. Better forgotten, but as you brought her up I bet you'd you'd switch your current PM out for her in a heartbeat if you were offered that particular hypothetical Hobsen's choice!
Have a great day too pal
Calling the referendum aside, he didn’t do much wrong for me (centre-left Labour member).
biggbn said:
Agreed. Not my kind of politics but the only thing i reallydisliked was his bullying, belittling debating 'style', but he was head and shoulders above Johnson and May...not, in itself , something to boast about such is the height of the bar they have set!!
That's because he desperately needed a slash!https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/201...
A similar strategy does not work for running.
frisbee said:
biggbn said:
Agreed. Not my kind of politics but the only thing i reallydisliked was his bullying, belittling debating 'style', but he was head and shoulders above Johnson and May...not, in itself , something to boast about such is the height of the bar they have set!!
That's because he desperately needed a slash!https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/201...
A similar strategy does not work for running.
frisbee said:
That's because he desperately needed a slash!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/201...
A similar strategy does not work for running.
That's so bizarre https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/201...
A similar strategy does not work for running.
amusingduck said:
frisbee said:
That's because he desperately needed a slash!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/201...
A similar strategy does not work for running.
That's so bizarre https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/201...
A similar strategy does not work for running.
I go to a lot of theatre shows (or I did!) because my partner works in the arts and gets invited to them.
On the occasions I’ve been caught needing a pee mid-performance, maybe after a couple of pre-beers or simply because the producer thought a 90min show without an interval is perfectly reasonable ... I’ve been unable to think about anything else. The show could be mindblowing amazing, but I couldn’t care less if I’m mentally trying to fight pissing myself!
markyb_lcy said:
I can’t get my head around it. When I’m gagging for a piss, it’s literally all I can think about.
I go to a lot of theatre shows (or I did!) because my partner works in the arts and gets invited to them.
On the occasions I’ve been caught needing a pee mid-performance, maybe after a couple of pre-beers or simply because the producer thought a 90min show without an interval is perfectly reasonable ... I’ve been unable to think about anything else. The show could be mindblowing amazing, but I couldn’t care less if I’m mentally trying to fight pissing myself!
I'm exactly the same. If someone sent me into a negotiation busting for a piss, the other side would be getting whatever they wanted I go to a lot of theatre shows (or I did!) because my partner works in the arts and gets invited to them.
On the occasions I’ve been caught needing a pee mid-performance, maybe after a couple of pre-beers or simply because the producer thought a 90min show without an interval is perfectly reasonable ... I’ve been unable to think about anything else. The show could be mindblowing amazing, but I couldn’t care less if I’m mentally trying to fight pissing myself!
He didn't get much, maybe that's what happened!
frisbee said:
That's because he desperately needed a slash!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/201...
A similar strategy does not work for running.
It evidently didn't work when "negotiating" with the EU either.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/201...
A similar strategy does not work for running.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: "In the Ministry of Sound, the tank-topped bum boys blub into their Pils."
"I would go further and say that it is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes."
Schools and universities should be able to tell women to remove face coverings when one "turns up... looking like a bank robber".
You never went to Ministry then I take it? "I would go further and say that it is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes."
Schools and universities should be able to tell women to remove face coverings when one "turns up... looking like a bank robber".
I never knew it was in relation to the nights a Ministry.
The best nights music wise in '91 and '92 were the nights run by the cumboys and bumboys, phrase coined by people like DJ Fat Tony. They were hedonistic mdma fuelled nights the likes of which had not been known since places like Studio 54.
You would have loved it mate, would have chilled you right out.
gizlaroc said:
You never went to Ministry then I take it?
I never knew it was in relation to the nights a Ministry.
The best nights music wise in '91 and '92 were the nights run by the cumboys and bumboys, phrase coined by people like DJ Fat Tony. They were hedonistic mdma fuelled nights the likes of which had not been known since places like Studio 54.
You would have loved it mate, would have chilled you right out.
I used to go there in the 90’s when it was edgy and underground. They used to make you hand your mobile in when you arrived, photography was banned. Open on Fridays, then it was Frisky with DJ Heaven and Seb Fontaine. Saturdays was Rulin’ with the likes of Humphries, Saunderston, knuckles etc. Then there was Logical Progression and AWOL too. Sick place. I work with a business that’s based in their offices now it’s a bit weird going there decades on. What a place. I never knew it was in relation to the nights a Ministry.
The best nights music wise in '91 and '92 were the nights run by the cumboys and bumboys, phrase coined by people like DJ Fat Tony. They were hedonistic mdma fuelled nights the likes of which had not been known since places like Studio 54.
You would have loved it mate, would have chilled you right out.
gizlaroc said:
Yeah, some proper messy nights there.
Seb Fontaine played some proper, proper sets.
Red and Blacks, proper doves, music that you could see, and then walking out into the daylight in the morning to head to the after parties. So good!
So many tales. Club U.K., Leisure Lounge, Bagleys, The Cross, Turnmills, The End, Sound Shaft, Coliseum, Limelight.... then later the Fridge on a Friday, then the squat parties and all that acid techno etc... happy daze. Still a bit partial to a boogie where opportunity presents (rarely)... But not on the Keir Starmer thread!! Seb Fontaine played some proper, proper sets.
Red and Blacks, proper doves, music that you could see, and then walking out into the daylight in the morning to head to the after parties. So good!
Bagleys and The Cross were great.
Acid techno. I remember Sasha at Park Royal film studios played the most amazing deep techno with acid riff running through it. Superb night.
I still DJ now. Got back into it about 10 years ago and think electronic music is better than ever at the moment.
Acid techno. I remember Sasha at Park Royal film studios played the most amazing deep techno with acid riff running through it. Superb night.
I still DJ now. Got back into it about 10 years ago and think electronic music is better than ever at the moment.
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