Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)

Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)

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mko9

2,415 posts

213 months

Saturday 24th November 2018
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robinessex said:
Climate change: Report warns of growing impact on US life

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4632516...

Unchecked climate change will cost the US hundreds of billions of dollars and damage human health and quality of life, a US government report warns.
"Future risks from climate change depend... on decisions made today," the 4th National Climate Assessment says.
The report says climate change is "presenting growing challenges to human health and safety, quality of life, and the rate of economic growth".
The warning is at odds with the Trump administration's fossil fuels agenda.....continues

No proof, just a doom laden crystal ball. Even the Beebs video shows perfectly natural events. Absolutely no proof of all the scenarios they predict. Ah, nearly forgot COP24 is happening between Dec 2nd to 14th, so the Beebs got to saturate the news with AGW & CC propaganda.
One of the news channels had Michael Mann on this morning to talk about this report. It was completely and utterly non-adversarial. No questions about the hockey stick, no questions about "hide the decline", no questions about lawsuits, etc. I had to laugh when he referenced Upton Sinclair (“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”) as the reason President Trump disagrees. The cognitive dissonance is astounding. Without the climate change problem, Michael Mann arguably might not even have a job. He certainly wouldn't be on national TV talking about this problem he has discovered.

For reference, the study can be found here: https://www.globalchange.gov/

wc98

10,464 posts

141 months

Saturday 24th November 2018
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mko9 said:
One of the news channels had Michael Mann on this morning to talk about this report. It was completely and utterly non-adversarial. No questions about the hockey stick, no questions about "hide the decline", no questions about lawsuits, etc. I had to laugh when he referenced Upton Sinclair (“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”) as the reason President Trump disagrees. The cognitive dissonance is astounding. Without the climate change problem, Michael Mann arguably might not even have a job. He certainly wouldn't be on national TV talking about this problem he has discovered.

For reference, the study can be found here: https://www.globalchange.gov/
hopefully the court case he has running with mark steyn where discovery has already been decided in steyn's case will come to fruition in the near future. it's only been running 6 or 7 years spin

stew-STR160

8,006 posts

239 months

Saturday 24th November 2018
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mko9 said:
robinessex said:
Climate change: Report warns of growing impact on US life

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4632516...

Unchecked climate change will cost the US hundreds of billions of dollars and damage human health and quality of life, a US government report warns.
"Future risks from climate change depend... on decisions made today," the 4th National Climate Assessment says.
The report says climate change is "presenting growing challenges to human health and safety, quality of life, and the rate of economic growth".
The warning is at odds with the Trump administration's fossil fuels agenda.....continues

No proof, just a doom laden crystal ball. Even the Beebs video shows perfectly natural events. Absolutely no proof of all the scenarios they predict. Ah, nearly forgot COP24 is happening between Dec 2nd to 14th, so the Beebs got to saturate the news with AGW & CC propaganda.
One of the news channels had Michael Mann on this morning to talk about this report. It was completely and utterly non-adversarial. No questions about the hockey stick, no questions about "hide the decline", no questions about lawsuits, etc. I had to laugh when he referenced Upton Sinclair (“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”) as the reason President Trump disagrees. The cognitive dissonance is astounding. Without the climate change problem, Michael Mann arguably might not even have a job. He certainly wouldn't be on national TV talking about this problem he has discovered.

For reference, the study can be found here: https://www.globalchange.gov/
Because the science is settled, init...

robinessex

11,082 posts

182 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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Climate change: UK summers could be over 5C warmer by 2070

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-463...

In its first major update on climate change in almost 10 years, the Met Office has warned of significant temperature rises in the decades ahead.
The UK Climate Projections 2018 study is the most up to date ASSESSMENT of how the UK will change over this century. It says that under the HIGHEST EMISSIONS SCENARIO, summer temperatures COULD be 5.4C hotter by 2070. The CHANCES of a summer as warm as 2018 are around 50% by 2050. The most alarming figure in the report is the PROJECTION of summer temperatures UP TO 5.4C warmer than the pre-industrial period. This would only happen, according to the Met Office if the world was to continue increasing emissions of carbon dioxide rather than reducing them as most governments intend. But even under a low emissions scenario (where the Met Office says that the UK will see an average yearly temperature increase of 2.3C by 2100. Summers as warm as the one just past, are LIKELY to be very common, with a 50% CHANCE OF OCCURRING. In the recent past, says the Met Office, the CHANCES of seeing a summer as warm as 2018 was only around 10%. These warmer summers of the future are LIKELY to be much drier too, with average summer rainfall dropping by 47% by 2070. Raised sea levels are also one of the consequences of a warmer world and according to the report, they COULD rise by 1.15 metres in London by 2100. The report says the UK is set to see an increase in both the frequency and magnitude of extreme water levels.
Environment Secretary Michael Gove praised the new study as an "invaluable tool." "It is clear that the planet and its weather patterns are changing before our eyes." he said, launching the report at the Science Museum in London. “We know, more than ever before, the urgency of acting."…….continues.

Environment Secretary Michael Gove. Who’s screwed up almost everything he’s got his hands on.

Met office crystal ball gazing again. Just watched this on a Beeb news cast. Just about eveything they showed was bullst propaganda, and some of it completely wrong. They still don't know the difference between Climate and Weather

dickymint

24,492 posts

259 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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robinessex said:
Climate change: UK summers could be over 5C warmer by 2070

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-463...

In its first major update on climate change in almost 10 years, the Met Office has warned of significant temperature rises in the decades ahead.
The UK Climate Projections 2018 study is the most up to date ASSESSMENT of how the UK will change over this century. It says that under the HIGHEST EMISSIONS SCENARIO, summer temperatures COULD be 5.4C hotter by 2070. The CHANCES of a summer as warm as 2018 are around 50% by 2050. The most alarming figure in the report is the PROJECTION of summer temperatures UP TO 5.4C warmer than the pre-industrial period. This would only happen, according to the Met Office if the world was to continue increasing emissions of carbon dioxide rather than reducing them as most governments intend. But even under a low emissions scenario (where the Met Office says that the UK will see an average yearly temperature increase of 2.3C by 2100. Summers as warm as the one just past, are LIKELY to be very common, with a 50% CHANCE OF OCCURRING. In the recent past, says the Met Office, the CHANCES of seeing a summer as warm as 2018 was only around 10%. These warmer summers of the future are LIKELY to be much drier too, with average summer rainfall dropping by 47% by 2070. Raised sea levels are also one of the consequences of a warmer world and according to the report, they COULD rise by 1.15 metres in London by 2100. The report says the UK is set to see an increase in both the frequency and magnitude of extreme water levels.
Environment Secretary Michael Gove praised the new study as an "invaluable tool." "It is clear that the planet and its weather patterns are changing before our eyes." he said, launching the report at the Science Museum in London. “We know, more than ever before, the urgency of acting."…….continues.

Environment Secretary Michael Gove. Who’s screwed up almost everything he’s got his hands on.

Met office crystal ball gazing again. Just watched this on a Beeb news cast. Just about eveything they showed was bullst propaganda, and some of it completely wrong. They still don't know the difference between Climate and Weather
Strange it coincides with the 10th anniversary of the 2008 Climate Change act and obviously nothing to do with next months boondogglerolleyes

Murph7355

37,821 posts

257 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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They were saying on the radio that we'd be getting weather like in the South of France. Which sounds like good news for Blackpool and Morecombe (or maybe Lancaster and Blackburn.

What will temperatures in the South of France be like then? Will there be any need to go from Paris to Dakar?

Jinx

11,407 posts

261 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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dickymint said:
robinessex said:
Climate change: UK summers could be over 5C warmer by 2070

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-463...

In its first major update on climate change in almost 10 years, the Met Office has warned of significant temperature rises in the decades ahead.
The UK Climate Projections 2018 study is the most up to date ASSESSMENT of how the UK will change over this century. It says that under the HIGHEST EMISSIONS SCENARIO, summer temperatures COULD be 5.4C hotter by 2070. The CHANCES of a summer as warm as 2018 are around 50% by 2050. The most alarming figure in the report is the PROJECTION of summer temperatures UP TO 5.4C warmer than the pre-industrial period. This would only happen, according to the Met Office if the world was to continue increasing emissions of carbon dioxide rather than reducing them as most governments intend. But even under a low emissions scenario (where the Met Office says that the UK will see an average yearly temperature increase of 2.3C by 2100. Summers as warm as the one just past, are LIKELY to be very common, with a 50% CHANCE OF OCCURRING. In the recent past, says the Met Office, the CHANCES of seeing a summer as warm as 2018 was only around 10%. These warmer summers of the future are LIKELY to be much drier too, with average summer rainfall dropping by 47% by 2070. Raised sea levels are also one of the consequences of a warmer world and according to the report, they COULD rise by 1.15 metres in London by 2100. The report says the UK is set to see an increase in both the frequency and magnitude of extreme water levels.
Environment Secretary Michael Gove praised the new study as an "invaluable tool." "It is clear that the planet and its weather patterns are changing before our eyes." he said, launching the report at the Science Museum in London. “We know, more than ever before, the urgency of acting."…….continues.

Environment Secretary Michael Gove. Who’s screwed up almost everything he’s got his hands on.

Met office crystal ball gazing again. Just watched this on a Beeb news cast. Just about eveything they showed was bullst propaganda, and some of it completely wrong. They still don't know the difference between Climate and Weather
Strange it coincides with the 10th anniversary of the 2008 Climate Change act and obviously nothing to do with next months boondogglerolleyes
Big load of climate claptrap heavily dependent on RCP 8.5 which we all know is a nonsense (https://judithcurry.com/2015/12/13/a-closer-look-at-scenario-rcp8-5/) Waste of money and serves no practical purpose (we may as well prepare for Godzilla attacks - just as likely as RCP 8.5)


Atomic12C

5,180 posts

218 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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Murph7355 said:
They were saying on the radio that we'd be getting weather like in the South of France. Which sounds like good news for Blackpool and Morecombe (or maybe Lancaster and Blackburn.

What will temperatures in the South of France be like then? Will there be any need to go from Paris to Dakar?
South of France doesn't sound like its the normal scary scenario that is prescribed for 'climate change'......it actually sounds quite nice. This will be a nice tourism boost for our economy, not to mention the growth of British vin yards etc.

Judging by the way the data is being manipulated (cooling the past and warming the future), I'm surprised its only the south of France that is being mentioned....I was thinking they'd be predicting the surface of Mercury by now!


LittleBigPlanet

1,127 posts

142 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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Jinx said:
dickymint said:
robinessex said:
Climate change: UK summers could be over 5C warmer by 2070

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-463...

In its first major update on climate change in almost 10 years, the Met Office has warned of significant temperature rises in the decades ahead.
The UK Climate Projections 2018 study is the most up to date ASSESSMENT of how the UK will change over this century. It says that under the HIGHEST EMISSIONS SCENARIO, summer temperatures COULD be 5.4C hotter by 2070. The CHANCES of a summer as warm as 2018 are around 50% by 2050. The most alarming figure in the report is the PROJECTION of summer temperatures UP TO 5.4C warmer than the pre-industrial period. This would only happen, according to the Met Office if the world was to continue increasing emissions of carbon dioxide rather than reducing them as most governments intend. But even under a low emissions scenario (where the Met Office says that the UK will see an average yearly temperature increase of 2.3C by 2100. Summers as warm as the one just past, are LIKELY to be very common, with a 50% CHANCE OF OCCURRING. In the recent past, says the Met Office, the CHANCES of seeing a summer as warm as 2018 was only around 10%. These warmer summers of the future are LIKELY to be much drier too, with average summer rainfall dropping by 47% by 2070. Raised sea levels are also one of the consequences of a warmer world and according to the report, they COULD rise by 1.15 metres in London by 2100. The report says the UK is set to see an increase in both the frequency and magnitude of extreme water levels.
Environment Secretary Michael Gove praised the new study as an "invaluable tool." "It is clear that the planet and its weather patterns are changing before our eyes." he said, launching the report at the Science Museum in London. “We know, more than ever before, the urgency of acting."…….continues.

Environment Secretary Michael Gove. Who’s screwed up almost everything he’s got his hands on.

Met office crystal ball gazing again. Just watched this on a Beeb news cast. Just about eveything they showed was bullst propaganda, and some of it completely wrong. They still don't know the difference between Climate and Weather
Strange it coincides with the 10th anniversary of the 2008 Climate Change act and obviously nothing to do with next months boondogglerolleyes
Big load of climate claptrap heavily dependent on RCP 8.5 which we all know is a nonsense (https://judithcurry.com/2015/12/13/a-closer-look-at-scenario-rcp8-5/) Waste of money and serves no practical purpose (we may as well prepare for Godzilla attacks - just as likely as RCP 8.5)
I was at the UK launch this morning (inc. Mr Gove's 'closed' session) - I'm surprised none of you guys were there what with the calibre of experts here. Or maybe I missed you?

A few things to note:
- Not everyone (!) likes/agrees with Gove, he's mostly a mouthpiece
- I can, with confidence, say that the Met Office do know the difference between weather and climate
- The launch of UKCP18 has been scheduled for a long time - it's not linked to the Climate Act 2008, more importantly, to coincide reporting for the next UK Climate Change Risk Assessment (to be published by Gov. in 2022 - we need these projections now to support the work that feeds into this)
- RCP8.5 is most frequently used for sensitivity and stress testing, it's at the top end of the projections. It's often used by infrastructure owners/managers to test to the resilience of their assets, amongst others.

I guess some of the 42,000+ comments on the report must have come from those in this thread?

PRTVR

7,142 posts

222 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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Atomic12C said:
Murph7355 said:
They were saying on the radio that we'd be getting weather like in the South of France. Which sounds like good news for Blackpool and Morecombe (or maybe Lancaster and Blackburn.

What will temperatures in the South of France be like then? Will there be any need to go from Paris to Dakar?
South of France doesn't sound like its the normal scary scenario that is prescribed for 'climate change'......it actually sounds quite nice. This will be a nice tourism boost for our economy, not to mention the growth of British vin yards etc.

Judging by the way the data is being manipulated (cooling the past and warming the future), I'm surprised its only the south of France that is being mentioned....I was thinking they'd be predicting the surface of Mercury by now!
I think they are getting in quick before the cold really hits, North America is breaking records on cold and snow.
It must be so disappointing for them, reality not conforming to the models.
https://youtu.be/wpLVRPJnL4M
15 minutes long about the broken science.

gadgetmac

14,984 posts

109 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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LittleBigPlanet said:
I was at the UK launch this morning (inc. Mr Gove's 'closed' session) - I'm surprised none of you guys were there what with the calibre of experts here. Or maybe I missed you?

A few things to note:
- Not everyone (!) likes/agrees with Gove, he's mostly a mouthpiece
- I can, with confidence, say that the Met Office do know the difference between weather and climate
- The launch of UKCP18 has been scheduled for a long time - it's not linked to the Climate Act 2008, more importantly, to coincide reporting for the next UK Climate Change Risk Assessment (to be published by Gov. in 2022 - we need these projections now to support the work that feeds into this)
- RCP8.5 is most frequently used for sensitivity and stress testing, it's at the top end of the projections. It's often used by infrastructure owners/managers to test to the resilience of their assets, amongst others.

I guess some of the 42,000+ comments on the report must have come from those in this thread?
Don't you come on here with your facts and truths upsetting all of these honest chaps with no agenda and their gazillion climate qualifications and decades of experience in the field. furious

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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LittleBigPlanet said:
I was at the UK launch this morning (inc. Mr Gove's 'closed' session) - I'm surprised none of you guys were there what with the calibre of experts here. Or maybe I missed you?

A few things to note:
- Not everyone (!) likes/agrees with Gove, he's mostly a mouthpiece
- I can, with confidence, say that the Met Office do know the difference between weather and climate
- The launch of UKCP18 has been scheduled for a long time - it's not linked to the Climate Act 2008, more importantly, to coincide reporting for the next UK Climate Change Risk Assessment (to be published by Gov. in 2022 - we need these projections now to support the work that feeds into this)
- RCP8.5 is most frequently used for sensitivity and stress testing, it's at the top end of the projections. It's often used by infrastructure owners/managers to test to the resilience of their assets, amongst others.

I guess some of the 42,000+ comments on the report must have come from those in this thread?
rofl smack down

That’s what great about PHs there are actually people that know what they’re talking about. Ever so often, one pokes their head in and points out the ridiculous nonsense the cult posts each day.

It’s telling that none of these people worth listening to bother posting in this thread regularly because it’s full of nutters and blaggers and fake experts and various people clearly talking rubbish.

Car forum gobstes vs the scientific community.







PRTVR

7,142 posts

222 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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Here is how the met office has acted in the past
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/2013/01/met-...
It's the BBC so you don't have to worry yourselves that you might be corrupted hehe
Politics driving science.
If I remember they downgraded their forecast on Christmas eve without comment.
Are people aware that the met office is a government department ?

wc98

10,464 posts

141 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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LittleBigPlanet said:
I was at the UK launch this morning (inc. Mr Gove's 'closed' session) - I'm surprised none of you guys were there what with the calibre of experts here. Or maybe I missed you?

A few things to note:
- Not everyone (!) likes/agrees with Gove, he's mostly a mouthpiece
- I can, with confidence, say that the Met Office do know the difference between weather and climate
- The launch of UKCP18 has been scheduled for a long time - it's not linked to the Climate Act 2008, more importantly, to coincide reporting for the next UK Climate Change Risk Assessment (to be published by Gov. in 2022 - we need these projections now to support the work that feeds into this)
- RCP8.5 is most frequently used for sensitivity and stress testing, it's at the top end of the projections. It's often used by infrastructure owners/managers to test to the resilience of their assets, amongst others.

I guess some of the 42,000+ comments on the report must have come from those in this thread?
ah,at last ,someone that should have a huge amount of confidence in the projections churned out by climate science,as you appear to be balls deep in the gravy train. how about a personal wager on where the climate will be in a given period ? the met office should be doing nothing bar predicting weather (badly) but like any other publicly funded empire builders grabbed the chance to expand what was a niche field that very few were interested in staffed by fairly boring people. have to give it to them, they grabbed the chance with both hands and have never looked back.

shame about the public money wasted on a supercomputer that isn't any better at longer range forecasts than the last one.and no, the met office doesn't get to decide how accurate it's forecasts are by its own dodgy metrics ,weather from a south,south westerly direction they do ok with, anything else they are abysmal anymore than three days out. would have been nice to have a forecast for the severe black ice we had locally this morning, an accurate one, not a might or maybe. would have saved me laughing at the poor clown that popped a line of fence posts and ended up sitting on a high verge with a barbed wire fence running over the top of his car looking a bit sheepish.

wc98

10,464 posts

141 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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El stovey said:
rofl smack down
lol, you a fan of children's faux wrestling ? would explain a lot.

LongQ

13,864 posts

234 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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LittleBigPlanet said:
I guess some of the 42,000+ comments on the report must have come from those in this thread?
Do you have a list?

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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wc98 said:
El stovey said:
rofl smack down
lol, you a fan of children's faux wrestling ? would explain a lot.
I am not a fan of children’s faux wrestling. I imagine it’s not as amusing as reading faux boffins convincing each other that they’re right and the scientific community are wrong.

Just watching NASA jet propulsion laboratory successfully sending a lander to Mars. Astonishing that you think the same organisation is lying or wrong or involved in some kind of deception about climate science.

It must be ffantastic to think that you and dickymint and robinessex are actually schooling these fools about AGW.


LongQ

13,864 posts

234 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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El stovey said:
Just watching NASA jet propulsion laboratory successfully sending a lander to Mars. Astonishing that you think the same organisation is lying or wrong or involved in some kind of deception about climate science.
It's been done before. But is there any real point to it ?

Elon Musk seems to think he might be in a position to join it in about 7 years. On a one-way ticket of course.

Well, if it's using what he thinks of as his money I suppose the masses cannot complain unless they have previous brought products from some of his business interests.

Kawasicki

13,112 posts

236 months

Monday 26th November 2018
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Well scary stuff, imagine if we reached temperatures typical of recent interglacial periods. Scary, more funding required.

fakenews

452 posts

78 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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Kawasicki said:
Well scary stuff, imagine if we reached temperatures typical of recent interglacial periods. Scary, more funding required.
Quite...everything else is going to st yet this religion continues to be dragged along. If I made as many wrong projections as the IPCC et al I'd be unemployable. fking ridiculous world we live in.
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