Prince Andrew US civil sexual assault case
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RE the discussion of the precise terminology for Epstein's proclivities and the apparently important identification of the specific category of nonce with which Andrew was associating;
article said:
Before she met Epstein, Courtney Wild was captain of the cheerleading squad, first trumpet in the band and an A-student at Lake Worth Middle School.
After she met Epstein, she was a stripper, a drug addict and an inmate at Gadsden Correctional Institution in Florida’s Panhandle.
Wild still had braces on her teeth when she was introduced to him in 2002 at the age of 14.
She was fair, petite and slender, blonde and blue-eyed. Wild, who later helped recruit other girls, said Epstein preferred girls who were white, appeared prepubescent and those who were easy to manipulate into going further each time.
“By the time I was 16, I had probably brought him 70 to 80 girls who were all 14 and 15 years old. He was involved in my life for years,” said Wild, who was released from prison in October after serving three years on drug charges.
After she met Epstein, she was a stripper, a drug addict and an inmate at Gadsden Correctional Institution in Florida’s Panhandle.
Wild still had braces on her teeth when she was introduced to him in 2002 at the age of 14.
She was fair, petite and slender, blonde and blue-eyed. Wild, who later helped recruit other girls, said Epstein preferred girls who were white, appeared prepubescent and those who were easy to manipulate into going further each time.
“By the time I was 16, I had probably brought him 70 to 80 girls who were all 14 and 15 years old. He was involved in my life for years,” said Wild, who was released from prison in October after serving three years on drug charges.
article said:
Some girls told police they were coached by their peer recruiters to lie to Epstein about their ages and say they were 18. Epstein’s legal team would later claim that even if the girls were under 18, there was no way he could have known. However, under Florida law, ignorance of a sex partner’s age is not a defense for having sex with a minor.
Wild said he was well aware of their tender ages — because he demanded they be young.
“He told me he wanted them as young as I could find them,’’ she said, explaining that as she grew older and had less access to young girls, Epstein got increasingly angry with her inability to find him the young girls he desired.
“If I had a girl to bring him at breakfast, lunch and dinner, then that’s how many times I would go a day. He wanted as many girls as I could get him. It was never enough.’’
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article2200...Wild said he was well aware of their tender ages — because he demanded they be young.
“He told me he wanted them as young as I could find them,’’ she said, explaining that as she grew older and had less access to young girls, Epstein got increasingly angry with her inability to find him the young girls he desired.
“If I had a girl to bring him at breakfast, lunch and dinner, then that’s how many times I would go a day. He wanted as many girls as I could get him. It was never enough.’’
ElectricSoup said:
Soon as I can retire I'll be taking the road to France with my Maltese passport. Should be some lovely bargain properties in the Dordogne by then, with all the Brits running back for the NHS. It would make real sense for me to be a Brexiteer. But I'm not, because I'm not a selfish tw@.
The essence of democracy is that people often tend to vote against their own interests. I should by rights be a diehard Tory and Brexiter (Brexit is super good for my business) but I am not, because I am not a selfish t
t. Meanwhile unlucky Alf in Hartlepool votes for a bunch of rich liars who are intent on fking him over, mistakenly thinking they are on his side. Great, eh? Back on topic, that sort of thing helps keep Monarchs and Aristos in business. I deffo want to vote for Princess Anne, however. Just because I think she was hot in the early 70s that does not make me a bad person. Dont like rolls said:
ElectricSoup said:
Breadvan72 said:
Yeah but not the Plastic Welsh, right? They can do one.
Well, quite. Who would pretend to be Welsh? The mere thought of it.This is despite their mother being English and the fact they were born in England. This becomes more apparent during the 6 Nations, of course.
fblm said:
Breadvan72 said:
...Brexit is super good for my business...
How so?t. But we are now on the B word, and that has 1 million threads of its own.That Prince Andrew, eh? A wrong 'un.
A friend of mine who had been adopted as a child decided in later life to trace his birth parents.
Fearing the unknown, but prepared to cope with the fact that he may have been the offspring of some psychopath, murderer or other heinous criminal, he was absolutely devasted when he found out that he was actually Welsh.
Fearing the unknown, but prepared to cope with the fact that he may have been the offspring of some psychopath, murderer or other heinous criminal, he was absolutely devasted when he found out that he was actually Welsh.
The Surveyor said:
Personally, I think PA knew exactly what Epstein was up to and loved the doors which that opened, and loved that it gave him access to the girls being trafficked by Epstein, and I certainly don't think PA was alone with that. PA is never going to be convicted of any of the current allegations, but his name and his position in the Royal family are certainly being used to give credence to the current civil cases.
I think thats a simplistic view and ignores what Epstein appears to have been doing, which was using the girls to give him access and favours from powerful people with further contacts. At the same time if he could get blackmail material, then he'd have that as well.Edited by The Surveyor on Wednesday 4th December 10:46
I doubt Andrew knew the girls were trafficked, or was told, but almost certainly enjoyed their company and those of the others around Epstein also enjoying the parties/associations.
Byker28i said:
I doubt Andrew knew the girls were trafficked, or was told, but almost certainly enjoyed their company and those of the others around Epstein also enjoying the parties/associations.
I'm pretty certain that Prince Andrew knew full-well that Virginia Roberts was flown to the UK to have sex with him. She's a 17 year old girl being flown to London for 2 days to party with him and be raped by him. What other reasonable explanation is there for her being there with Epstein in the first place?sparkythecat said:
A friend of mine who had been adopted as a child decided in later life to trace his birth parents.
Fearing the unknown, but prepared to cope with the fact that he may have been the offspring of some psychopath, murderer or other heinous criminal, he was absolutely devasted when he found out that he was actually Welsh.
I feel for him. Can't be very pleasant to be devasted.Fearing the unknown, but prepared to cope with the fact that he may have been the offspring of some psychopath, murderer or other heinous criminal, he was absolutely devasted when he found out that he was actually Welsh.
Davos123 said:
I'm pretty certain that Prince Andrew knew full-well that Virginia Roberts was flown to the UK to have sex with him. She's a 17 year old girl being flown to London for 2 days to party with him and be raped by him. What other reasonable explanation is there for her being there with Epstein in the first place?
Andrew is a rapist now then ...
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Andrew is a rapist now then ...
As far as I'm concerned, yes. She had sex with him because she was instructed to after being trafficked and he will have been well-aware of that, he didn't meet her in the club, Epstein brought a 17 year old to London for 2 days to have sex with Prince Andrew. Any reasonable person knows what's going on there and that girl cannot give complete, informed consent because there is at least an element of coercion at play. I don't care if it meets the legal definition of rape or not. He had sex with someone he knew didn't really want to - that's rape in my book.Davos123 said:
As far as I'm concerned, yes. She had sex with him because she was instructed to after being trafficked and he will have been well-aware of that, he didn't meet her in the club, Epstein brought a 17 year old to London for 2 days to have sex with Prince Andrew. Any reasonable person knows what's going on there and that girl cannot give complete, informed consent because there is at least an element of coercion at play. I don't care if it meets the legal definition of rape or not. He had sex with someone he knew didn't really want to - that's rape in my book.
You are stating this a fact.He claims he didn't have sex with her.
sparkythecat said:
A friend of mine who had been adopted as a child decided in later life to trace his birth parents.
Fearing the unknown, but prepared to cope with the fact that he may have been the offspring of some psychopath, murderer or other heinous criminal, he was absolutely devasted when he found out that he was actually Welsh.
Thank the lord that someone has not lost their humourFearing the unknown, but prepared to cope with the fact that he may have been the offspring of some psychopath, murderer or other heinous criminal, he was absolutely devasted when he found out that he was actually Welsh.
Nice post, made me laugh
Davos123 said:
As far as I'm concerned, yes. She had sex with him because she was instructed to after being trafficked and he will have been well-aware of that, he didn't meet her in the club, Epstein brought a 17 year old to London for 2 days to have sex with Prince Andrew. Any reasonable person knows what's going on there and that girl cannot give complete, informed consent because there is at least an element of coercion at play. I don't care if it meets the legal definition of rape or not. He had sex with someone he knew didn't really want to - that's rape in my book.
That's pretty much every prostitute in the world. Not condoning going with prostitutes or what Andrew did, but Rape is a step up. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff