Is Britain Full?

[Mrr T]

wiggy001 said:

Mrr T said:

The high population density in the south east is distorted by London. I live in the south east on the edge of a commuter town. From my back windows all I see is fields. Going east the next large town is 20 miles away with just fields and some small towns and villages in-between.

Would you be happy if those fields were built on to create a new "garden village", merging your town with the next?

A 20 mile garden village would be massive. Could fit 2/3 normal towns without me noticing.

[Nothingtoseehere]

Mrr T said:

A 20 mile garden village would be massive. Could fit 2/3 normal towns without me noticing.

This seems to explain a lot of your posts.

[Mrr T]

B'stard Child said:

Mrr T said:

Moonhawk said:

...given the high population density in England and especially the south east...

The high population density in the south east is distorted by London. I live in the south east on the edge of a commuter town. From my back windows all I see is fields. Going east the next large town is 20 miles away with just fields and some small towns and villages in-between.

We know everything in your world is rosy

Problem is not everyone is in your world

Not everything in my world is rosy but I choose to look at the positives. A glass half full type.

I have noticed many kippers, not suggesting you kippered, do not seem happy with life. The glass half empty types.

[Pesty]

Mrr T said:

The high population density in the south east is distorted by London. I live in the south east on the edge of a commuter town. From my back windows all I see is fields. Going east the next large town is 20 miles away with just fields and some small towns and villages in-between.

You know those fields are there for a reason don't you

Do you also know that the uk is not self sufficient in food generation. Even India can manage that.

Let's build in the fields and bring in more people. Great idea.

[AC43]

Troubleatmill said:

Why do we need more people here exactly?
Plenty of space in the really big countries that could be filled up first.

Because we've got an ageing indiginous population causing a huge drag on our services and the employment of Brits is running at an all time high of 75%. Which, technically, is full employment

Meanwhile the vast majority of immigrants from the EU are young, in employment and net tax payers. So we benefit from having them here.

But let's not let facts get in the way.

[Troubleatmill]

AC43 said:

Troubleatmill said:

Why do we need more people here exactly?
Plenty of space in the really big countries that could be filled up first.

Because we've got an ageing indiginous population causing a huge drag on our services and the employment of Brits is running at an all time high of 75%. Which, technically, is full employment

Meanwhile the vast majority of immigrants from the EU are young, in employment and net tax payers. So we benefit from having them here.

But let's not let facts get in the way.

We have 2+ Million unemployed and 3 Million immigrants.
There must be a way to have near enough net 0 unemployed and 1 Million immigrants.
It's even better for our economy.

I wouldn't mind my coffee being served by someone British.

[BlueHave]

Troubleatmill said:

AC43 said:

Troubleatmill said:

Why do we need more people here exactly?
Plenty of space in the really big countries that could be filled up first.

Because we've got an ageing indiginous population causing a huge drag on our services and the employment of Brits is running at an all time high of 75%. Which, technically, is full employment

Meanwhile the vast majority of immigrants from the EU are young, in employment and net tax payers. So we benefit from having them here.

But let's not let facts get in the way.

We have 2+ Million unemployed and 3 Million immigrants.
There must be a way to have near enough net 0 unemployed and 1 Million immigrants.
It's even better for our economy.

I wouldn't mind my coffee being served by someone British.

The problem is that very few natives will work over 50 or 60 hours a week for £7.50 an hour. People outside the UK will and that is why employers keep saying they can't get enough young people from the UK to war for them. Will they would if they paid them a decent wage they could actually live on.

[TheGuru]

CAPP0 said:

Why is it that if you say anything about population levels, you're immediately racist/xenophobe/extreme right wing/etc etc?

It's nothing to do with racism. It's simply numbers.

For regressive liberals it's never about reality, that should always be ignored in favour of their utopian ideologies.

I mean some of them even seriously advocate totally open borders to the rest of the world.

[TheGuru]

Troubleatmill said:

I wouldn't mind my coffee being served by someone British.

I would, the British are awful at making coffee. Even the Americans are better. It's only because of Kiwi/Aussies and other immigrants that you can get decent coffee in the UK these days

[JagLover]

TheGuru said:

CAPP0 said:

Why is it that if you say anything about population levels, you're immediately racist/xenophobe/extreme right wing/etc etc?

It's nothing to do with racism. It's simply numbers.

For regressive liberals it's never about reality, that should always be ignored in favour of their utopian ideologies.

I mean some of them even seriously advocate totally open borders to the rest of the world.

Well a veneer of utopian ideals.

For many it is pure economic self interest. Open borders in a small overcrowded island drives up land values. Open borders means few feel safe in their jobs and real wages fall.

The fact that the low wages of both immigrant and native have to be topped up by the state isn't any of their concern. Private profit and public cost, that is the reality behind the virtue signaling rhetoric.

[hairyben]

Problem in this country is everything done in the most half arsed way. You can double/triple or more housing density without making people feel crammed in - rooftop gardens, underground car parks/roads/ameinities, but everything gets done in the most simplistic and inefficient way because no-one can be bothered to think big and plan for tomorrow, and when they do they get shot down again - ironic how the most vocal anti runway/motorway etc types tend to be paid up lefty pro eu/immigration too...

[B'stard Child]

Mrr T said:

B'stard Child said:

Mrr T said:

Moonhawk said:

...given the high population density in England and especially the south east...

The high population density in the south east is distorted by London. I live in the south east on the edge of a commuter town. From my back windows all I see is fields. Going east the next large town is 20 miles away with just fields and some small towns and villages in-between.

We know everything in your world is rosy

Problem is not everyone is in your world

Not everything in my world is rosy but I choose to look at the positives. A glass half full type.

I have noticed many kippers, not suggesting you kippered, do not seem happy with life. The glass half empty types.

I've always been an optimist - positive change - glass half full.

However as you well know (because we've had conversation about) there have been aspects of immigration which have had negative impacts on the UK

I'm not a "kipper" but I recognised that something needed to change - I'm happy that change is progressing.

[227bhp]

Glasgowrob said:

Country is nowhere near full,

we just need to spread people out more,


have a big push on remote working, get businesses to relocate out of London to other towns and cities.

No we don't, it is good to be able to go somewhere quiet with fields, wildlife, quiet roads, where there is space to grow crops and animals to live.

[227bhp]

Troubleatmill said:

Why do we need more people here exactly?
Plenty of space in the really big countries that could be filled up first.

We don't need just people, we need a certain type of people (so i'm told).
Apparently we need foreigners to do the jobs we CBA to do.

[Troubleatmill]

227bhp said:

Troubleatmill said:

Why do we need more people here exactly?
Plenty of space in the really big countries that could be filled up first.

We don't need just people, we need a certain type of people (so i'm told).
Apparently we need foreigners to do the jobs we CBA to do.

Perhaps we just stop dole money...... I'm sure that will get lazy feckers off the sofa watching Sky and doing some hard graft.


Yes - it is too easy to ignore the problem and import workers who are willing to do the work.

We need some bloody backbone - and no free lunches - you want money - you work for it.

Once we have near net 0 unemployment...... that is when you look at bringing in others.

Why do I need 14 Polish people to wash a car. When I'm in Germany it goes through a machine - and it recycles the water.

[Hayek]

Mrr T said:

Hayek said:

Country was full at 60M. We should be aiming for 55M.

How?

Towns still towns, not sprawl. Not building houses by the 1000's in one go. Roads mostly reasonable to use. I'm not that old but can see that quality of life in the South East has gone rapidly downhill since the early 2000's.

[KrissKross]

Troubleatmill said:

Why do we need more people here exactly?

Because apparently they all need to work in the NHS and look after the sick people, who themselves are also immigrants, logic somewhere?

Anyway when ~ 100 million more people move here before the end of the brexit process I wont have to worry about getting looked after when I get old.

[Hayek]

227bhp said:

Troubleatmill said:

Why do we need more people here exactly?
Plenty of space in the really big countries that could be filled up first.

We don't need just people, we need a certain type of people (so i'm told).
Apparently we need foreigners to do the jobs we CBA to do.

We don't even need that, just a good excuse. We're quite capable of training our own people and paying enough for stuff so that it makes economic sense for someone to be arsed to do it. Yes we would be poorer financially, but richer in other ways.

[AC43]

Troubleatmill said:

AC43 said:

Troubleatmill said:

Why do we need more people here exactly?
Plenty of space in the really big countries that could be filled up first.

Because we've got an ageing indiginous population causing a huge drag on our services and the employment of Brits is running at an all time high of 75%. Which, technically, is full employment

Meanwhile the vast majority of immigrants from the EU are young, in employment and net tax payers. So we benefit from having them here.

But let's not let facts get in the way.

We have 2+ Million unemployed and 3 Million immigrants.
There must be a way to have near enough net 0 unemployed and 1 Million immigrants.
It's even better for our economy.

I wouldn't mind my coffee being served by someone British.

I don't give a st about the nationality of the person serving me a coffee. Strikes me as an odd thing to say.

Anyway have a listen to these podcasts; We need immigrants and if we can't get them the vacancies won't be filled by Brits. The opportunities will simply go away. Great. So less economic activity, less tax take and even more problems funding our ageing (British) population.

Easier to blame Johnny Foriegner of course because that gets votes in some parts of the country.

http://podcast.ft.com/s/ft-brexit-unspun/?mhq5j=e3

http://podcast.ft.com/s/ft-brexit-unspun/?mhq5j=e3

[JagLover]

Troubleatmill said:

Why do I need 14 Polish people to wash a car. When I'm in Germany it goes through a machine - and it recycles the water.

There are anecdotal reports of some firms in the UK even substituting cheap labour for expensive machinery.

If the service sector imported best practice from around the world they would achieve the same output with hundreds of thousands less employees. Look at retail as one prime example.

For some immigration is an end in itself.