Take-up of MMR vaccine falls for fourth year in a row.

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Jasandjules said:

Great. Perhaps you will answer the question then:

Do you feel it is right that there is no compensatory award made when a child under two years old is killed or severely disabled by a vaccine?

You will of course be fully aware of what constitutes severely disabled for the purposes of this exercise and thereby noting exactly what level of harm is precluded in any event regardless of age of injury, for those who are unaware of the same.

It’s utterly irrelevant to the discussion and as I’m not a lawyer I’m not going to prevaricate about it. As you’re not a doctor I suggest you stop talking nonsense about vaccinations.

Answer the question that many have asked, are your children vaccinated?

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Woody John said:

So the risky vaccination prevents people getting a perfectly natural disease.
That disease then mutates and the vaccinated people end up getting a more complex version of the same disease.

Sounds like a lose lose to me.

It’s not a risky vaccination and the vaccinated people do not get a version of the disease.

[Woody John]

_dobbo_ said:

popeyewhite said:

Fortunately we live in a relatively tolerant society where parents don't have to have their children inoculated by the state just yet. Education, not making inoculations mandatory, is by far the best option.

Education isn't working. This thread is evidence of that. In this thread we have genuine comments questioning the "agenda" of the NHS when it comes to administering vaccines.

Jasandjules has been a member here for over a decade, and comes across as well educated whenever I've encountered their comments. But in this thread....

Education isn't working. MOre and more children are going un-vaccinated, and outbreaks of preventable diseases are increasing.

I'm quite happy for vaccinations to be optional. I don't think un-vaccinated children should be allowed into schools or pre-schools.

All for separate schools.
It would be interesting to see who is healthier in the long run.
My money would be on the youngsters who build natural immunity.

[minimoog]

Tell you what though Dunning and Kruger were really onto something eh?

[Woody John]

968 said:

Woody John said:

So the risky vaccination prevents people getting a perfectly natural disease.
That disease then mutates and the vaccinated people end up getting a more complex version of the same disease.

Sounds like a lose lose to me.

It’s not a risky vaccination and the vaccinated people do not get a version of the disease.

Of course it's risky. Even Doctors admit that. Next.

[Jasandjules]

_dobbo_ said:

I don't think un-vaccinated children should be allowed into schools or pre-schools.

What about those with confirmed Hep A, B, HiV? Should they be allowed into school? Why do you only fear the illnesses for which there is an existing vaccine? What about HPV? What about those vaccinated who are shedding? Why should they be allowed? What about those who are immune compromised?

What about those Muslims or Christians who do not vaccinate for Religious Reasons? Are you suggesting their Religion and beliefs are unacceptable to you or wrong?

And of course, your initial supposition is wrong, look at 2006 to 2013 rates, compared to the more recent years.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles...

[minimoog]

Woody John said:

My money would be on the youngsters who build natural immunity.

Survival of the fittest? Devil take the hindmost? That kind of thing?

[Woody John]

minimoog said:

Woody John said:

My money would be on the youngsters who build natural immunity.

Survival of the fittest? Devil take the hindmost? That kind of thing?

Not at all.

[Jasandjules]

968 said:

It’s utterly irrelevant to the discussion and as I’m not a lawyer I’m not going to prevaricate about it.

I think that the fact that there is no compensation if a child is killed or harmed by a vaccine under two years old is VERY relevant. In fact it is difficult to suggest anything more relevant to the discussion at hand. Remind me again when many vaccines are given?

Why do you think the Act of Parliament expressly excluded this age range and why do you think it is acceptable?

[minimoog]

Jasandjules said:

What about those with confirmed Hep A, B, HiV? Should they be allowed into school? Why do you only fear the illnesses for which there is an existing vaccine? What about HPV? What about those vaccinated who are shedding? Why should they be allowed? What about those who are immune compromised?

What about those Muslims or Christians who do not vaccinate for Religious Reasons? Are you suggesting their Religion and beliefs are unacceptable to you or wrong?

And of course, your initial supposition is wrong, look at 2006 to 2013 rates, compared to the more recent years.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles...

I'll try again. What point are you trying to make?Can you distill it down into a sentence or two? You're firing a lot of questions at people without answering any yourself. You've linked to a couple of articles, at least one of which you clearly completely failed to understand, but other than that you don't really seem to be saying anything other than relaying the 'wisdom' of your plumber.

Spit it out man.

[minimoog]

Jasandjules said:

I think that the fact that there is no compensation if a child is killed or harmed by a vaccine under two years old is VERY relevant. In fact it is difficult to suggest anything more relevant to the discussion at hand.

Have you been directly affected by this particular issue? You seem very exercised by it.

Edit to add: also you seem curiously obsessed by the issue of financial compensation. Very... weird.

Edited by minimoog on Tuesday 12th March 19:28

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Woody John said:

Is that the best you can do?

No, the best I can do was vaccinating both of my children.

[_dobbo_]

Jasandjules said:

And of course, your initial supposition is wrong, look at 2006 to 2013 rates, compared to the more recent years.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles...

Why have you cherry picked the years, why not look at the all the years where the trend is clear and it isn't what you want it to be?

Anyway, my "initial supposition" is that education isn't working. I stand by that. You and Woody are proving it every time you post.

[Badda]

I amazed that this level of outright thick has pervaded PH. I know there’s some sub-optimal intelligence on here when it comes to race, religion and general acceptance of others but I had no idea there’d be anti-Vaxxers on here, the absolute stupidest of all people. Jesus Christ.

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Woody John said:

Of course it's risky. Even Doctors admit that. Next.

Rubbish. No doctors say the mmr is risky. Overwhelming evidence to the contrary is available.

[popeyewhite]

minimoog said:

Jasandjules said:

I think that the fact that there is no compensation if a child is killed or harmed by a vaccine under two years old is VERY relevant. In fact it is difficult to suggest anything more relevant to the discussion at hand.

Have you been directly affected by this particular issue? You seem very exercised by it.

He's not actually posted any insults towards those who don't share his opinion yet. I'd suggest your comment is somewhat back-to-front.

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Jasandjules said:

I think that the fact that there is no compensation if a child is killed or harmed by a vaccine under two years old is VERY relevant. In fact it is difficult to suggest anything more relevant to the discussion at hand. Remind me again when many vaccines are given?

Why do you think the Act of Parliament expressly excluded this age range and why do you think it is acceptable?

It’s utterly irrelevant and pathetic attempt to divert the discussion from your sheer hypocrisy.

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Woody John said:

All for separate schools.
It would be interesting to see who is healthier in the long run.
My money would be on the youngsters who build natural immunity.

Confirmation you don’t understand how the immune system works.

[minimoog]

popeyewhite said:

He's not actually posted any insults towards those who don't share his opinion yet. I'd suggest your comment is somewhat back-to-front.

I'd suggest you're not making much sense yourself with this comment.

[minimoog]

Woody John said:

minimoog said:

Woody John said:

My money would be on the youngsters who build natural immunity.

Survival of the fittest? Devil take the hindmost? That kind of thing?

Not at all.

What then will protect those without this 'natural immunity' you're assuming exists?