Lunacy on the M40
Discussion
lyonspride said:
The driver has also consciously cross 2 lanes of oncoming traffic to enter lane 3, suggesting they thought they were on a normal road, probably thought everyone else was just a maniac overtaking.
If it was a foreign driver then lane 3 would be his normal lane 1.Not confirmed what nationality driver was but if uk surely if confused he'd want to be on the left.
I doubt we'll ever know.
Complete cluster f
k all round.4x4Tyke said:
It could have been NI plates, in general my experience of the councillors is they are often wrong, possessing a a surfeit of confidence over ability. 
It could still go either way, but it did look RHD to me pausing the video. The Sun claims the Police confirmed the UK registration, but nothing on TVP website I can find, or other news sites.
There is another detail I've not seen reported, the crash also involved a Fiesta as well as the Mondeo.
https://news.thamesvalley.police.uk/pressreleases/...
Couldn't agree with you more about councillors. It could still go either way, but it did look RHD to me pausing the video. The Sun claims the Police confirmed the UK registration, but nothing on TVP website I can find, or other news sites.There is another detail I've not seen reported, the crash also involved a Fiesta as well as the Mondeo.
https://news.thamesvalley.police.uk/pressreleases/...
The Southern Ireland/ Eire plates which are blue and white are often confused with foreign plates.
Ulster plates usually consist of 4 numbers two letters.... usually a z in it.
My best guess it's a Southern Ireland registered vehicle.
No doubt be revealed in due course.
heebeegeetee said:
Get a grip, man.
What you've clearly missed is the bit where he said "They shouldn't have been driving". Why you would ask someone who has said that to "clarify exactly how far you have to drive", I really don't know.
This is clearly a very unusual situation. The death of the 30 year old is indeed tragic, but remember that some 1,300 people died that day, as they do every day. The majority of those will be people reaching the end of their lives, but also many of them - 3 figures? - will be as equally tragic as the 30 year old driver. A lot of those tragic deaths will probably be amongst a great number of people who die too young because our health care lacks behind a good many other developed countries, so you/people would do far better wringing hands over this daily toll, rather than getting exercised over a very unusual incident.
Usual standard from your good self..........it wouldn't be right if your comment didn't in actual fact relate to the subject or indeed the content of the topic would it. From now on in the crown prince of experts on everything is here so strap yourselves in for an education........What you've clearly missed is the bit where he said "They shouldn't have been driving". Why you would ask someone who has said that to "clarify exactly how far you have to drive", I really don't know.
This is clearly a very unusual situation. The death of the 30 year old is indeed tragic, but remember that some 1,300 people died that day, as they do every day. The majority of those will be people reaching the end of their lives, but also many of them - 3 figures? - will be as equally tragic as the 30 year old driver. A lot of those tragic deaths will probably be amongst a great number of people who die too young because our health care lacks behind a good many other developed countries, so you/people would do far better wringing hands over this daily toll, rather than getting exercised over a very unusual incident.
Just to point out chap, the subject is not discussing at any point the other 1300 deaths, nor other people who die young nor indeed standards of health care compared to other developed countries so none of your stated points have anything whatsoever to do with the subject in hand, the subject i and indeed others have been getting exercised about as you put it. I'm all ears and eyes if you can quote anyone in the previous pages who has linked your freshly written points on this subject in order to make you relevant at last..........
As you have well known form for ignoring questions that you are incapable or uncomfortable with answering and your ridiculous M.O is to just witter on and on with your agenda regardless of its relevance to the core subject of a topic I won't bother offering any kind of reasoned question to your posts, it's a waste of time, it's also I suspect why you may feel "proved right" on so many occasions.
In reality however most just read through your posts slack jawed at the levels you can go to, any check on a subject involving cyclists will quickly reveal the pointlessness of responding to you in an adult manor, or any manor to be fair.
Best simply scroll past, as I will to your reply and any further posts.
Back on subject please, apologies to any who were sidetracked but when it comes to this poster I think it's better to put your stall out for him.........
As you were............
Volvo1956 said:
If it was a foreign driver then lane 3 would be his normal lane 1.
Not confirmed what nationality driver was but if uk surely if confused he'd want to be on the left.
I doubt we'll ever know.
Complete cluster fk all round.
Apologies if I’ve misunderstood, but if the guy was from Europe, his Lane 1 would have been the far right lane, not the left most lane in which he was actually travelling. Not confirmed what nationality driver was but if uk surely if confused he'd want to be on the left.
I doubt we'll ever know.
Complete cluster f
k all round.The caravan door being on the right is a red herring, plenty of U.K. caravanners have euro spec caravans now.
kev1974 said:
"The driver and passenger of the Subaru Forester towing the caravan, both aged in their 80s, are yet to be formally identified."
Does that mean the police still don't know who they are, or does it just mean they haven't told the press who they are yet.
There's surely some paper trail even if it was foreign plates, must be traceable back to a ferry ticket at least.
Formal ID would come from someone known to them positively I-ding the bodies would it not? relatives etc. Does that mean the police still don't know who they are, or does it just mean they haven't told the press who they are yet.
There's surely some paper trail even if it was foreign plates, must be traceable back to a ferry ticket at least.
lyonspride said:
At least there is a discussion now about elderly drivers and fitness to drive..... Only a few years ago you'd get shot down for even touching on the subject, which is funny considering how political correctness has gone mental over the past few years.
Now that I am reaching my mature years with over 40 years driving experience, covering motor bikes, HGV, car and bycicle I see bad driving over the complete spectrum, age seems no barrier, young or old.We even had that instructor telling a cyclist the dotted white line made it madatory for cyclist to use it, his pupil agreed, indicating he had told her that. Hopefully a one off, he got so much crap for that, it was on u-tube.
Yes some elderly drivers should really be handing in their keys, then again should some younger drivers, on one link there are three seperate incidents taken by a dash cam from the same truck where clearly the driver has absolutely no idea about roundabouts, one causing a minor tap with another vehicle.
Think there was a thread sometime ago of a car driving down the motorway on the wrong side, not an elderly driver either.
Anyway, take care out there guys.
Happened to me on the A14 near Newmarket a few years ago. The Merc in front of me in the middle lane brakes so I checked my mirrors, signalled to move into the outside lane. As I crossed the white line a BRG Rover 75, headlights ablaze came barrelling towards me at a good speed
I shot back into the middle lane, having sussed why the Merc had braked.
It’s a bloody terrifying thing to see. I don’t know what happened behind me, but there were quite a few vehicles on the hard shoulder further up the road.
I shot back into the middle lane, having sussed why the Merc had braked.
It’s a bloody terrifying thing to see. I don’t know what happened behind me, but there were quite a few vehicles on the hard shoulder further up the road.
I'd really like to know how the police should respond in a situation like this, particularly if it were to be deliberate. Presumably they need to close the carriageway - but how are they to judge how many junctions ahead of the offender ? And they wouldn't want to have three full lanes of stationary traffic awaiting his/her appearance. Should they then potentially sacrifice one or more of their vehicles to form a road block ? They would presumably not be able to run in the same direction and squeeze him into the central barrier to force a stop. Not an easy or enviable set of decisions to make.
Any of the BiB on here care to comment ?
Any of the BiB on here care to comment ?
85Carrera said:
otolith said:
85Carrera said:
otolith said:
Thurbs said:
Can't help but think a self driving car would not have reacted as well as some of the drivers in the twitter clip...
Can't help thinking a self-driving car wouldn't have driven the wrong way down the M40...You don’t think it will be possible to hack into them, then?
Turns out the innocent driver had landed at Gatwick after a flight from LA - involving a long weekend away. I suspect a level of fatigue is what could have meant this driver had an unlucky roll of the dice compared to others who were luckier.
No blame intended at all, just slightly slower reaction times could be all it took.
No blame intended at all, just slightly slower reaction times could be all it took.
The caravan towers apparently joined at jc7. The slip road they used has no less than 7 no entry signs according to the google map image dated August 2016.
However - there is no northbound slip. Well, there is - but it is gated. Access is only available to the off ramp northbound, and on ramp southbound.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7244388,-1.0585389...
However - there is no northbound slip. Well, there is - but it is gated. Access is only available to the off ramp northbound, and on ramp southbound.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7244388,-1.0585389...
I heard about this crash on Monday on the way home from work, and my usual route home was almost stationary. Going past the M40, it was choked. A very sad case, as others have said, at what stage do you realise what you are doing is wrong? In this case, it appears never…
If it’s a foreign driver, then I’ll admit some of the junctions could be a little clearer, but to then transfer across 3 lanes of oncoming traffic? If it’s a UK driver, there are no excuses, and it’s a tragic waste of life for 2 families who no doubt are having a very different weekend this time.
This has made me realise that my 80 year old mum really needs to think long term on her driving ability. She’s known to just collapse and fall at home and elsewhere with no recollection as to what was happening beforehand. My sister has raised it with her, and there is no way she will give up her car. I refuse to be driven by her as she always drifts towards the kerb, totally forgets right of way issues etc.…. It pains me to say it, but I expect THAT phone call one day.
If it’s a foreign driver, then I’ll admit some of the junctions could be a little clearer, but to then transfer across 3 lanes of oncoming traffic? If it’s a UK driver, there are no excuses, and it’s a tragic waste of life for 2 families who no doubt are having a very different weekend this time.
This has made me realise that my 80 year old mum really needs to think long term on her driving ability. She’s known to just collapse and fall at home and elsewhere with no recollection as to what was happening beforehand. My sister has raised it with her, and there is no way she will give up her car. I refuse to be driven by her as she always drifts towards the kerb, totally forgets right of way issues etc.…. It pains me to say it, but I expect THAT phone call one day.
dandarez said:
4x4Tyke said:
The Sun article says the Forester was UK registered, so not foreign.
Sorry, Oxford Mail again! Local West Oxon Councillor Colin Dingwall (who was on the M40 at the time and managed to avoid the loon) says different.
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/16984302.m40-cra...
“Luckily I and the cars near me managed to pull into the middle lane and get out of the way.
“He must have been going about 60mph. It was a car with foreign plates pulling a caravan. It didn’t look to be slowing down.
“I had about two seconds to react.”
He could of course be wrong about the plates. Don't think I'd have been looking at the Subaru's plates!
Edited by dandarez on Thursday 18th October 12:25
says ''The Subaru is registered in the UK, despite earlier reports suggesting it was bearing a foreign number plate at the time of the M40 crash.''
The victim’s father comes across rather well considering. No demands for action etc.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/18/fa...
Not sure what the IPCC self referral is going to achieve related to the same driver and anon-injury RTC 5 days previously. Do we assume that police attended that?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/18/fa...
Not sure what the IPCC self referral is going to achieve related to the same driver and anon-injury RTC 5 days previously. Do we assume that police attended that?
There’d have been some form of police contact. They’ll be checking to see whether it was it would have been reasonable to identify any issues or take any additional measures against the elderly driver.
It’s one way of finding out if there are any processes / policies that can be improved, even if there’s no individual blame etc.
The only issues is it’ll take the IPOC 10292828163629 years to complete.
It’s one way of finding out if there are any processes / policies that can be improved, even if there’s no individual blame etc.
The only issues is it’ll take the IPOC 10292828163629 years to complete.
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