Who Will replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader
Discussion
techiedave said:
David Lammy launches bid to become first black or ethnic minority Labour leader - joining Emily Thornberry and Clive Lewis in official running to replace Jeremy Corbyn
Lammy up for the job
DAVID LAMMY
Deserves a re-airing of this Lammy up for the job
DAVID LAMMY
https://inews.co.uk/news/david-lammy-police-office...
Brave Fart said:
El stovey said:
Lammy was one of the few senior labour figures open and realistic about what’s gone wrong with labour after the election. Talking about Corbyn and the momentum party within a party.
Not sure he’s going to get in after that though.
Yes, and I wonder if this is Labour's key problem. If a leadership candidate argues that Corbyn and the party's policies were wrong, he/she will fall foul of Momentum and won't succeed. So Labour end up with a far left candidate. If they approve of the Dear Leader and his policies, they might succeed. So Labour end up with a far left candidate.Not sure he’s going to get in after that though.
I fully expect Labour to elect someone who believes "the policies were correct, we won the moral argument........" and fully expect them to lose the next election, whenever that is. Welcome to at least ten years of Conservative government.
crankedup said:
Yes and that being the situation perhaps the moderates will consider setting up a ‘New Labour Party’. The Country is better off with a sensible opposition to Government which I’m sure most would agree.
i'm just a random bloke on the internet so take what i say with a pinch of saltjust before the election I chatted with a guy i know who is very well connected in political circles. He told me that at the beginning of this year around 100 labour MPs were planning to jump ship to form a new centre-left party. There was some discussions about joining the Lib Dems en-masse but it was felt better to start a new party as that way they'd also get some moderate Tories join them - and the Lib Dems were still associated negatively with the coalition govt.
Somewhat ironically, it was Tom Watson that persuaded them not to leave. His argument was that with Brexit on the horizon (it was still scheduled for 31 March at that point), it was better to let that happen, then oust Corbyn and prepare for the inevitable general election that would follow. So the vast majority stayed.
Chuka Umana - much criticised on here - was one of the 100 an he decided to go any way with the hope that more would follow but only a couple did so and the 'momentum' was lost. Even though a few Tories joined him to Change UK, their poor showing at the local elections and the good performance by the Lib Dems only further weakened their position. By the time, the plans to leave has become well-known internally in the Labour Party and Watson was on his way to be pushed out and any further revolutions well and truly killed off.
... perhaps one day this will come out in the wash...
rover 623gsi said:
crankedup said:
Yes and that being the situation perhaps the moderates will consider setting up a ‘New Labour Party’. The Country is better off with a sensible opposition to Government which I’m sure most would agree.
i'm just a random bloke on the internet so take what i say with a pinch of saltjust before the election I chatted with a guy i know who is very well connected in political circles. He told me that at the beginning of this year around 100 labour MPs were planning to jump ship to form a new centre-left party. There was some discussions about joining the Lib Dems en-masse but it was felt better to start a new party as that way they'd also get some moderate Tories join them - and the Lib Dems were still associated negatively with the coalition govt.
Somewhat ironically, it was Tom Watson that persuaded them not to leave. His argument was that with Brexit on the horizon (it was still scheduled for 31 March at that point), it was better to let that happen, then oust Corbyn and prepare for the inevitable general election that would follow. So the vast majority stayed.
Chuka Umana - much criticised on here - was one of the 100 an he decided to go any way with the hope that more would follow but only a couple did so and the 'momentum' was lost. Even though a few Tories joined him to Change UK, their poor showing at the local elections and the good performance by the Lib Dems only further weakened their position. By the time, the plans to leave has become well-known internally in the Labour Party and Watson was on his way to be pushed out and any further revolutions well and truly killed off.
... perhaps one day this will come out in the wash...
Thanks for posting a interesting snippet, I wonder how many of the 100 still hold onto their seats now. It would be good to see a break-a-way wing formed into centre left Party, needs it. Somebody who has the drive, enthusiasm and determination of Farage is needed perhaps. For clarity I am a Conservative but it want a credible opposition to Government.
if interested in the above, worth reading this link in detail plus the referenced limehouse declaration from 1981.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Pa...
we have been here before with the Labour party and it is also worth watching Tony Blairs interview from last week on the BBC Parliament channel. His view is that the Labour party will split, depending on the outcome of this leadership contest.
Any Questions on Radio 4 had a guy on who made an interesting point. He said that if Labour were fighting in a proportional representational election they would be three separate parties.
1. Radical momentum metropolitan types.
2. Centre left Yvette Cooper types.
3. Patriotic industrial worker types.
1. Radical momentum metropolitan types.
2. Centre left Yvette Cooper types.
3. Patriotic industrial worker types.
Blib said:
Helicopter123 said:
David Lammy would bring a very welcome change.
I still think Yvette Cooper or Jess Philips would be the better candidate, with perhaps Lammy as Home Secretary?
"Deckchairs" and "Titanic" spring to mind. I still think Yvette Cooper or Jess Philips would be the better candidate, with perhaps Lammy as Home Secretary?
Long-Bailey is the deckchair option...
Helicopter123 said:
Blib said:
Helicopter123 said:
David Lammy would bring a very welcome change.
I still think Yvette Cooper or Jess Philips would be the better candidate, with perhaps Lammy as Home Secretary?
"Deckchairs" and "Titanic" spring to mind. I still think Yvette Cooper or Jess Philips would be the better candidate, with perhaps Lammy as Home Secretary?
Long-Bailey is the deckchair option...
It will have the usual Budgie providence of being utterly arse gravy.
I do find Budgie funny though.
Helicopter123 said:
David Lammy would bring a very welcome change.
I still think Yvette Cooper or Jess Philips would be the better candidate, with perhaps Lammy as Home Secretary?
Lammy? Oh dear.I still think Yvette Cooper or Jess Philips would be the better candidate, with perhaps Lammy as Home Secretary?
That panto actor on live tv?
'It feels like neighbourhood policing has vanished, it’s not around you.
We haven’t seen any police in a while and I’ve been here for a while now.'
LOOK BEHIND YOU!
(a copper was clearly visible in the background).
dandarez said:
Helicopter123 said:
David Lammy would bring a very welcome change.
I still think Yvette Cooper or Jess Philips would be the better candidate, with perhaps Lammy as Home Secretary?
Lammy? Oh dear.I still think Yvette Cooper or Jess Philips would be the better candidate, with perhaps Lammy as Home Secretary?
That panto actor on live tv?
'It feels like neighbourhood policing has vanished, it’s not around you.
We haven’t seen any police in a while and I’ve been here for a while now.'
LOOK BEHIND YOU!
(a copper was clearly visible in the background).
It's a long interview of >1hour from Trigger Nometry but well worth the effort. Why Labour lost the election and suggesting that basically ideas have left the building it having developed far too quickly into a 'who's the new leader' debate yet they don't even have the thinkers to get themselves out of the mess.
Early on an amusing anecdote about the different reactions to the presentation of an academic paper firstly to Ed Miliband's crew and later the same day to Lynton Crosby. Also covers other areas away from just the UK picture.
https://youtu.be/3kf1YKeq7lA
A seasonal gift to NP&E for when you're flagging after too much turkey. Best Wishes to All, even slasher whoever he is now.
Early on an amusing anecdote about the different reactions to the presentation of an academic paper firstly to Ed Miliband's crew and later the same day to Lynton Crosby. Also covers other areas away from just the UK picture.
https://youtu.be/3kf1YKeq7lA
A seasonal gift to NP&E for when you're flagging after too much turkey. Best Wishes to All, even slasher whoever he is now.
Helicopter123 said:
techiedave said:
Troubleatmill said:
Post of the year!!!
It will have the usual Budgie providence of being utterly arse gravy.
I do find Budgie funny though.
What were his predictions for the GE ?It will have the usual Budgie providence of being utterly arse gravy.
I do find Budgie funny though.
I'm trying to remember
Why?
But, I can’t recall you making that prediction.
Would you be so kind enough to provide a link to it?
Troubleatmill said:
Helicopter123 said:
techiedave said:
Troubleatmill said:
Post of the year!!!
It will have the usual Budgie providence of being utterly arse gravy.
I do find Budgie funny though.
What were his predictions for the GE ?It will have the usual Budgie providence of being utterly arse gravy.
I do find Budgie funny though.
I'm trying to remember
Why?
But, I can’t recall you making that prediction.
Would you be so kind enough to provide a link to it?
FiF said:
It's a long interview of >1hour from Trigger Nometry but well worth the effort. Why Labour lost the election and suggesting that basically ideas have left the building it having developed far too quickly into a 'who's the new leader' debate yet they don't even have the thinkers to get themselves out of the mess.
Early on an amusing anecdote about the different reactions to the presentation of an academic paper firstly to Ed Miliband's crew and later the same day to Lynton Crosby. Also covers other areas away from just the UK picture.
https://youtu.be/3kf1YKeq7lA
A seasonal gift to NP&E for when you're flagging after too much turkey. Best Wishes to All, even slasher whoever he is now.
Really found that interesting, thanks for posting. Early on an amusing anecdote about the different reactions to the presentation of an academic paper firstly to Ed Miliband's crew and later the same day to Lynton Crosby. Also covers other areas away from just the UK picture.
https://youtu.be/3kf1YKeq7lA
A seasonal gift to NP&E for when you're flagging after too much turkey. Best Wishes to All, even slasher whoever he is now.
As you say the anecdote about the academic presentation just tells us all we needed to know and have since learned.
The Sweet/Labour said:
Does anyone know the way, did we hear someone say
(We just haven't got a clue what to do)
(We just haven't got a clue what to do)
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