Who is going to continue to wear a mask after 21st June?
Discussion
andyeds1234 said:
I had to stop at a red light, in my car, today.
Traffic lights are an infringement on my civil Liberty, and for what? To stop a highly unlikely accident taking place, and an even more unlikely loss of life? We are all going to die anyway, so WTF! It inconvenienced me, by taking 2 mins away from my life, when I could have been moving on with my life.
It’s the thin end of the wedge, and I won’t be forced into a game of never ending restrictions!
That's me convinced. I will voluntarily never leave my house again. I mean, after all, there's always a chance that I could have an undiagnosed and contagious illness that could go on to cause harm. I downright refuse to live my life unless the government removes all risk! Traffic lights are an infringement on my civil Liberty, and for what? To stop a highly unlikely accident taking place, and an even more unlikely loss of life? We are all going to die anyway, so WTF! It inconvenienced me, by taking 2 mins away from my life, when I could have been moving on with my life.
It’s the thin end of the wedge, and I won’t be forced into a game of never ending restrictions!
andyeds1234 said:
I had to stop at a red light, in my car, today.
Traffic lights are an infringement on my civil Liberty, and for what? To stop a highly unlikely accident taking place, and an even more unlikely loss of life? We are all going to die anyway, so WTF! It inconvenienced me, by taking 2 mins away from my life, when I could have been moving on with my life.
It’s the thin end of the wedge, and I won’t be forced into a game of never ending restrictions!
Interesting comparison.Traffic lights are an infringement on my civil Liberty, and for what? To stop a highly unlikely accident taking place, and an even more unlikely loss of life? We are all going to die anyway, so WTF! It inconvenienced me, by taking 2 mins away from my life, when I could have been moving on with my life.
It’s the thin end of the wedge, and I won’t be forced into a game of never ending restrictions!
Driving motor vehicles costs thousands of lives every year. You know this and yet you insist on using them for selfish reasons like working and seeing your friends/family.
What makes your right to using a car more important than somebody's right to life? How selfish of you
GMT13 said:
andyeds1234 said:
I had to stop at a red light, in my car, today.
Traffic lights are an infringement on my civil Liberty, and for what? To stop a highly unlikely accident taking place, and an even more unlikely loss of life? We are all going to die anyway, so WTF! It inconvenienced me, by taking 2 mins away from my life, when I could have been moving on with my life.
It’s the thin end of the wedge, and I won’t be forced into a game of never ending restrictions!
Interesting comparison.Traffic lights are an infringement on my civil Liberty, and for what? To stop a highly unlikely accident taking place, and an even more unlikely loss of life? We are all going to die anyway, so WTF! It inconvenienced me, by taking 2 mins away from my life, when I could have been moving on with my life.
It’s the thin end of the wedge, and I won’t be forced into a game of never ending restrictions!
Driving motor vehicles costs thousands of lives every year. You know this and yet you insist on using them for selfish reasons like working and seeing your friends/family.
What makes your right to using a car more important than somebody's right to life? How selfish of you
witko999 said:
That's me convinced. I will voluntarily never leave my house again. I mean, after all, there's always a chance that I could have an undiagnosed and contagious illness that could go on to cause harm. I downright refuse to live my life unless the government removes all risk!
Let me give you a clue...Traffic lights don’t stop you forever, they just amend behaviour in the short term, to benefit all parties. Stopping at a traffic light is short term personal inconvenience, for the benefit of all.
Reduction in risk isn’t the same as removal of risk.
Of course it could all be just a conspiracy to control the plebs...
GMT13 said:
Interesting comparison.
Driving motor vehicles costs thousands of lives every year. You know this and yet you insist on using them for selfish reasons like working and seeing your friends/family.
What makes your right to using a car more important than somebody's right to life? How selfish of you
My right to use a car is limited by hundreds of regulations, to mitigate the risk to all parties. Some of them are highly inconvenient.Driving motor vehicles costs thousands of lives every year. You know this and yet you insist on using them for selfish reasons like working and seeing your friends/family.
What makes your right to using a car more important than somebody's right to life? How selfish of you
If there was no risk to human life, many of those regulations wouldn’t be present.
We accept this every day, but somehow a soft cotton mask, in order to reduce a risk and reinforce a change in behaviour, is enough to tip people over the edge.
andyeds1234 said:
I had to stop at a red light, in my car, today.
Traffic lights are an infringement on my civil Liberty, and for what? To stop a highly unlikely accident taking place, and an even more unlikely loss of life? We are all going to die anyway, so WTF! It inconvenienced me, by taking 2 mins away from my life, when I could have been moving on with my life.
It’s the thin end of the wedge, and I won’t be forced into a game of never ending restrictions!
Wow.Traffic lights are an infringement on my civil Liberty, and for what? To stop a highly unlikely accident taking place, and an even more unlikely loss of life? We are all going to die anyway, so WTF! It inconvenienced me, by taking 2 mins away from my life, when I could have been moving on with my life.
It’s the thin end of the wedge, and I won’t be forced into a game of never ending restrictions!
World class mental gymnastics there.
Bravo.
I knowingly ignored a red light yesterday and drove through. I acknowledged the light, made a reasoned judgement and took the deliberate action to proceed despite the rule being I should wait. I remain very happy my risk assessment was sound and my action reasonable.
Is that anecdote in any way helpful?
As soon as mandatory mask wearing rules are removed the chances I will risk assess my specific situation and choose to wear one will likely plummet. I will not judge others who choose to continue wearing them and would hope not to be judged in return.
Is that anecdote in any way helpful?
As soon as mandatory mask wearing rules are removed the chances I will risk assess my specific situation and choose to wear one will likely plummet. I will not judge others who choose to continue wearing them and would hope not to be judged in return.
scenario8 said:
I knowingly ignored a red light yesterday and drove through. I acknowledged the light, made a reasoned judgement and took the deliberate action to proceed despite the rule being I should wait. I remain very happy my risk assessment was sound and my action reasonable.
Is that anecdote in any way helpful?
As soon as mandatory mask wearing rules are removed the chances I will risk assess my specific situation and choose to wear one will likely plummet. I will not judge others who choose to continue wearing them and would hope not to be judged in return.
All sounds fair enough.Is that anecdote in any way helpful?
As soon as mandatory mask wearing rules are removed the chances I will risk assess my specific situation and choose to wear one will likely plummet. I will not judge others who choose to continue wearing them and would hope not to be judged in return.
You had all of the information you needed in order to make a reasoned judgement, I assume? That information being there was no chance of collision, and thus no risk to you and more importantly no risk to any unwitting participants in your risk assessment.
Risk assessment on an invisible virus is somewhat more difficult though, wouldn’t you agree? The mask reminds us of the need to amend our behaviour when in close proximity to others, when without it, it may be easy to forget.
Personally, if vaccination proves to be effective at reducing the risk to those that are most at risk from Covid, I will become a non mask wearer too.
Mark Benson said:
And how do we convey emotion on social media in the absence of face-to-face communication?
....with faces!
Maybe the maskateers have got a point. Look at these photos - whats the difference? - It's barely perceptible!....with faces!
Who needs facial expression to communicate now days. Wouldn't it be safer for us to all be wearing masks and communicate with each other by sending texts? It's really no big deal.
Edited by GSE on Friday 5th March 21:55
GSE said:
anonymous said:
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I gave up watching main stream media late last summer, and can highly recommend it as a means to getting on with your life, without living in fear. I no longer need to watch ANY of the BBC or ITV news output, there are plently of other sources to get news, so they can go and f
k themselves Who else can we add to the list? Fiona Bruce, Kay Burghley?
Every BBC news broadcast should be followed by an announcement that "that was a party political broadcast on behalf of the 'Covid is Very Real, and Very serious, children...' party.
scenario8 said:
I knowingly ignored a red light yesterday and drove through. I acknowledged the light, made a reasoned judgement and took the deliberate action to proceed despite the rule being I should wait. I remain very happy my risk assessment was sound and my action reasonable.
Is that anecdote in any way helpful?
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What do you think the increased level of risk is fromIs that anecdote in any way helpful?
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1 person choosing to ignore the traffic lights and doing their own risk assessment
100 people choosing to ignore the traffic lights and doing their own risk assessment
10m choosing to ignore the traffic lights and doing their own risk assessment
Society can cope with a small minority choosing to ignore the rules. Society would very soon turn into a bit of a s
thole if we all started doing our own risk assessments about everything.yellowjack said:
In the post-Covid utopia, Hugh Pym will be hung, drawn, and quartered. John Maguire and Jane McCubbin and their "Daily Mail Sadface presenting styles" will be forced to eat his entrails.
Every BBC news broadcast should be followed by an announcement that "that was a party political broadcast on behalf of the 'Covid is Very Real, and Very serious, children...' party.
Every BBC news broadcast should be followed by an announcement that "that was a party political broadcast on behalf of the 'Covid is Very Real, and Very serious, children...' party.
Countdown said:
What do you think the increased level of risk is from
1 person choosing to ignore the traffic lights and doing their own risk assessment
100 people choosing to ignore the traffic lights and doing their own risk assessment
10m choosing to ignore the traffic lights and doing their own risk assessment
Society can cope with a small minority choosing to ignore the rules. Society would very soon turn into a bit of a sthole if we all started doing our own risk assessments about everything.
So if society turns to a s1 person choosing to ignore the traffic lights and doing their own risk assessment
100 people choosing to ignore the traffic lights and doing their own risk assessment
10m choosing to ignore the traffic lights and doing their own risk assessment
Society can cope with a small minority choosing to ignore the rules. Society would very soon turn into a bit of a s
thole if we all started doing our own risk assessments about everything.thole it should be really easy to identify the countries or regions which have not mandated masks from the number of cases/deaths right? Can we identify from the top 10 US states by death rate which do/do not have a mask mandate. Guess what, 8 of them do. Now clearly masks are not the whole story but they are also not the super-solution some people think.
The traffic light comparison is idiotic for so many reasons. By the logic of this comparison, as we mandate for masks for everyone in basically all public indoor settings, we should mandate traffic lights at every single junction and always have them red when people approach. If it even saves one life!
No, we shouldn't be having a free for all but mitigations should be targetted, evaluated and proven to work in the real world. Masks have been shown to possibly work based on theoretical modelling or lab based tests however the real world evidence for wearing in the community having any measurable impact is extremely weak.
Tankrizzo said:
BigMon said:
It's something I find strange too. Doubtless they think of themselves as some type of flint eyed granite jawed rebel when the reality is they come across as, at best, something like Harry Enfield's Kevin the teenager.
What's odd is I'm guessing most of the people on here have reasonably successful careers and are more mature so are they like this at work too? Telling your line manager to fk off if he asks you to do something beneath your pay grade?
One of my wife's best friends is Japanese and lives in Tokyo. She says over there almost everyone wears a mask if they get a cold or similar to try and prevent passing it on to anyone else. Just a sign of their courtesy I suppose.
I quite enjoy the loony posts. Where else other than on PH can I be told by postmen and cleaners that I'm a sheep and they know more than epidemiologists because they googled a story on zerohedge?What's odd is I'm guessing most of the people on here have reasonably successful careers and are more mature so are they like this at work too? Telling your line manager to f
k off if he asks you to do something beneath your pay grade?One of my wife's best friends is Japanese and lives in Tokyo. She says over there almost everyone wears a mask if they get a cold or similar to try and prevent passing it on to anyone else. Just a sign of their courtesy I suppose.
Truly enlightening.
I don't know anyone in real life who refuses to wear a mask or who really has a major issue with them. Yet in this thread its full of these people.
Whether that says more about the people I know or people on PH I'm not sure
andyeds1234 said:
I had to stop at a red light, in my car, today.
Traffic lights are an infringement on my civil Liberty, and for what? To stop a highly unlikely accident taking place, and an even more unlikely loss of life? We are all going to die anyway, so WTF! It inconvenienced me, by taking 2 mins away from my life, when I could have been moving on with my life.
It’s the thin end of the wedge, and I won’t be forced into a game of never ending restrictions!
You haven’t really got the hang of this have you?Traffic lights are an infringement on my civil Liberty, and for what? To stop a highly unlikely accident taking place, and an even more unlikely loss of life? We are all going to die anyway, so WTF! It inconvenienced me, by taking 2 mins away from my life, when I could have been moving on with my life.
It’s the thin end of the wedge, and I won’t be forced into a game of never ending restrictions!
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