Met police institutionally racist, misogynistic, homophobic

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Crazy.

Won't be long now until you can't st without someone dobbing you in.

[Tankrizzo]

I don't like this at all. These knobheads weren't even coppers at the time so it's just a bunch of mates sending messages to each other, I bet there are hundreds of thousands of groups across the country where crap like this gets said. Whatever you think of it, I don't see how it's a crime.

[ZedLeg]

A lot of old men who tell racist jokes in private are sweating right now

[272BHP]

Offensive memes that are racist, misogynist and homophobic sent in a private message - you end up in court.

Drill rappers publish to social media content that celebrates murder and threatens gun and knife violence whilst also being racist, misogynist and homophobic in the extreme - absolutely fine?

I admit to being a little confused about free speech laws.

[ZedLeg]

Have you ever made an official complaint about a Drill song?

[bitchstewie]

I doubt they only started speaking and behaving that way when they stopped being Police Officers.

"Judge Ikram said the risk of undermining confidence in the police was an "aggravating factor" he had to consider when deciding the men's sentences."

I won't be losing any sleep over them.

[Tankrizzo]

ZedLeg said:

A lot of old men who tell racist jokes in private are sweating right now

I'm a member of a couple of football groups, I can assure you the twentysomething lads are just as bad!

[Hugo Stiglitz]

She had only met him once yet knew his name.

If I met someone only once and it was the niece or nephew of someone I don't think I'd remember them.

Still, fast track promotion awaits.

Edited by Hugo Stiglitz on Friday 8th December 08:47

[Type R Tom]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/metropolitan...

Seems like a pretty bad apple, and not much of a sanction.

If you aren't allowed to talk to male members of your "family", does that mean you can't speak to any men? If so, how do you work as a detective?

[Hugo Stiglitz]

One thing that is worrying though is how can private messages lead to a criminal prosecution. That is a worrying precedent. Anything said in private that's recorded can be used?

[JuanCarlosFandango]

272BHP said:

I admit to being a little confused about free speech laws.

We don't have free speech.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Type R Tom said:

If you aren't allowed to talk to male members of your "family", does that mean you can't speak to any men? If so, how do you work as a detective?

Racist!

[wc98]

Type R Tom said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/metropolitan...

Seems like a pretty bad apple, and not much of a sanction.

If you aren't allowed to talk to male members of your "family", does that mean you can't speak to any men? If so, how do you work as a detective?

She had only met him once briefly in her boyfriend’s kitchen and, as a practising Muslim, DC Hussain was not allowed to speak to male members of his family.
I appreciate there are various muslim sects so the above might be true,but having been in the company of muslim friends in their homes i have never seen this.
There are quite a few red flags in that article that suggest quite a few of those involved don't have the integrity of policing as their core tenet,nothing new of course,can be seen in the private sector where many have lost sight of the importance of the core business that actually pays their salary.

[wc98]

272BHP said:

Offensive memes that are racist, misogynist and homophobic sent in a private message - you end up in court.

Drill rappers publish to social media content that celebrates murder and threatens gun and knife violence whilst also being racist, misogynist and homophobic in the extreme - absolutely fine?

I admit to being a little confused about free speech laws.

While i might agree with what you say, would you want any of either group as Police officers ? I know those in question were retired but i suspect the judge may still hold them to a slightly higher standard than the average punter, rightly or wrongly however you look at it.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

No I wouldn't want any of those to be officers. Even as a joke it's repulsive.


But how does WhatsApp become criminal?

[wc98]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

No I wouldn't want any of those to be officers. Even as a joke it's repulsive.


But how does WhatsApp become criminal?

I don't think it does until what it's used for by the individual becomes public and the subject of a complaint. Had no one brought this to light nothing would have happened. I doubt this prosecution is going to change individual thinking/attitude. Just make people with nasty views more careful about where they air them.

[ZedLeg]

Tankrizzo said:

ZedLeg said:

A lot of old men who tell racist jokes in private are sweating right now

I'm a member of a couple of football groups, I can assure you the twentysomething lads are just as bad!

Can't say I'm surprised at that tbh. Some football fans still behave appallingly.

[bitchstewie]

wc98 said:

I don't think it does until what it's used for by the individual becomes public and the subject of a complaint. Had no one brought this to light nothing would have happened. I doubt this prosecution is going to change individual thinking/attitude. Just make people with nasty views more careful about where they air them.

I don't know how the law works but that's my assumption too.

If you think about it if you send someone racist abuse via WhatsApp "it was a private conversation" doesn't tend to cut it as a defence if the recipient chooses to make a complaint.

[hidetheelephants]

Polis Scotia challenging the Met for the title of most misogynist.

Police Scotland failing to challenge bad behaviour - BBC report

Former officer accuses Police Scotland of ‘cover-up’ attitude to misogyny - Grauniad

[Hill92]

wc98 said:

Type R Tom said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/metropolitan...

Seems like a pretty bad apple, and not much of a sanction.

If you aren't allowed to talk to male members of your "family", does that mean you can't speak to any men? If so, how do you work as a detective?

She had only met him once briefly in her boyfriend’s kitchen and, as a practising Muslim, DC Hussain was not allowed to speak to male members of his family.
I appreciate there are various muslim sects so the above might be true,but having been in the company of muslim friends in their homes i have never seen this.
There are quite a few red flags in that article that suggest quite a few of those involved don't have the integrity of policing as their core tenet,nothing new of course,can be seen in the private sector where many have lost sight of the importance of the core business that actually pays their salary.

Worth reading the misconduct panel report. There was more to the story than the media reporting.

https://www.met.police.uk/foi-ai/metropolitan-poli...

The officer said she had previously informed her line manager of the connection and he told her that she didn't need to formally report the connection nor did he remove her from the priority offenders list work. The line manager claimed this conversation never happened but the panel found this evidence implausible given other witnesses and evidence presented.

The priority offenders list was supposed to have 20 individuals on it. When the officer was later asked to add another name she suggested that would take it over 20 names, she suggested to her line manager that her partner's nephew could drop off the list as one of the low risk individuals (they were all categorised by risk and this had been reviewed). She also said "if not him, can remove anyone else too". The decision was to be made by her line manager and another officer. In the event the name wasn't removed. The report doesn't really explain why nor how this came to be investigated.

Anyway, the panel concluded that she had not been dishonest or motivated by any benefit to her partner's nephew, which would have been gross misconduct and dismissal. Where she did get pulled up by the panel for discreditable misconduct was for failing to remind her line manager of the previously disclosed connection when she suggested the change.

Her line manager comes out of the report looking a lot worse than her TBH.