"Firms wary about hiring public sector staff"
Discussion
Countdown said:
Its a bit like employing somebody to redecorate your house and then blaming him when you don't have enough money to pay him.
No it isn’t, we're the customers of the public sector, not its employers; the only difference between supplied services by the public sector and shopping at a supermarket, is that if you don’t like the customer service at a supermarket, you are free to go to another supermarket . . . we are a captive customer base for the public sector, forced to pay for services that we may not need, with no option for changing supplier (think of it as having to pay your Tesco bill even if you've got sick of their s
t service and gone to Waitrose instead!)I work in the public sector, and I just LOVE people "who pay my wages". I frequently have to put in extra time - the last example was when continuing CPR on a 17 year old, resuscitation carried on for 4 hours before it was discontinued, poor timing when it happens at 14:55 - that's 4 hours when I had to pay for emergency childcare at school.
When being faced a few days later by aneanderthal member of the public, who said he paid my wages, I calmly asked him for the 4 hours overtime that I was owed and whether he would cover my emergency childcare costs. Surprisingly enough he's going to complain to the chief exec - "He's my friend and we play golf together." Wonder if chief exec will dip HER hand into her pocket. I never knew she played golf either.
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When being faced a few days later by a
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Countdown said:
tinman0 said:
Not at all. I talk to anyone, whether they are public or private employees with respect. It's called 'good manners'. Costs nothing 
HTH
(Unless they are a prat, and then I'll treat them with with the disdain they deserve.)
Same as me then HTH(Unless they are a prat, and then I'll treat them with with the disdain they deserve.)
And guess which category I put them in if they spout rubbish like "I pay your wages" ?
The only public employee I've ever been rude to, out and out rude, was a policeman one evening and I called him "blind" and suggested that "he needed to get his eyes checked". It went down well.
shed driver said:
I work in the public sector, and I just LOVE people "who pay my wages". I frequently have to put in extra time - the last example was when continuing CPR on a 17 year old, resuscitation carried on for 4 hours before it was discontinued, poor timing when it happens at 14:55 - that's 4 hours when I had to pay for emergency childcare at school.
When being faced a few days later by aneanderthal member of the public, who said he paid my wages, I calmly asked him for the 4 hours overtime that I was owed and whether he would cover my emergency childcare costs. Surprisingly enough he's going to complain to the chief exec - "He's my friend and we play golf together." Wonder if chief exec will dip HER hand into her pocket. I never knew she played golf either.
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Even the public sector can't let someone die because its their tea break - there are boundaries that cannot be crossed. When being faced a few days later by a
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I hope you made the poor soul who was dieing apologize for putting you out. I salute your commitment
whoami said:
Countdown said:
Its a bit like employing somebody to redecorate your house and then blaming him when you don't have enough money to pay him.
That's fair enough.However, surely now that it is evident that we do not have enough money to pay the "decorators" then getting rid of them should raise no complaints?
anonymous said:
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I don't choose the number of staff I can (or can't) employ. The Govt gives me an amount of money and tells what tasks they want doing with this money. We don't "demand" - in fact the Govt and Public Sector will outsource regularly if it provides better value than doing it "in-house".So if you want the plumbing and wiring doing at the same time as the decorating, yes it will cost more. It's up to you to decide and prioritise accordingly.
AndrewW-G said:
Countdown said:
Its a bit like employing somebody to redecorate your house and then blaming him when you don't have enough money to pay him.
No it isn’t, we're the customers of the public sector, not its employers; the only difference between supplied services by the public sector and shopping at a supermarket, is that if you don’t like the customer service at a supermarket, you are free to go to another supermarket . . . we are a captive customer base for the public sector, forced to pay for services that we may not need, with no option for changing supplier (think of it as having to pay your Tesco bill even if you've got sick of their st service and gone to Waitrose instead!)t value for money from a service which you cannot opt out from. But plenty of people have opted out from it and moved to other countries.I’m not saying the Public sector is perfect. Far from it. But it creates a decent society and a level of protection for the least well-off. You have the option of influencing it through democratic means. If you’re still not happy the nuclear option is to relocate to a society which satisfies your needs better.
I’d love to see an example of a society which provides an equivalent public service for the same amount of funding.
Countdown said:
How "captive" you are depends on your personal circumstances. You feel that you're receiving st value for money from a service which you cannot opt out from. But plenty of people have opted out from it and moved to other countries.
Which simply confirms my belief that a large percentage of public sector workers don’t give a st value for money from a service which you cannot opt out from. But plenty of people have opted out from it and moved to other countries.t about their customers . . . . Wherever I have been able to opt out I have done, private health insurance means I can mostly avoid the NHS, private dental means I can actually get to see a dentist, increased levels of security at my home & business, coupled with private monitoring means I have less risk of having to deal with the police etc. etc.
Sonic said:
Countdown said:
I’d love to see an example of a society which provides an equivalent public service for the same amount of funding.
That's the point though, the country has practically been bankrupted to fund the public sector.Say you decide to buy a Lamborghini Gallardo based on the commission you're making from selling mobile phones. All of a sudden your commission drops/you lose your job/ whatever and you can't afford the Lambo. It's no point blaming the car - it wasn't the car that bankrupted you.
What you will need to do is downsize, maybe an 03 plate Vectra. It shouldn't matter because, apparently the Lamborghini was rubbish anyway
Countdown said:
Sonic said:
Countdown said:
I’d love to see an example of a society which provides an equivalent public service for the same amount of funding.
That's the point though, the country has practically been bankrupted to fund the public sector.How many of those turkeys would need to vote for Christmas before a government could get a strong enough mandate to deliver the public sector cuts we really need to balance the books?
Kermit power said:
There are 6 million public sector employees in this country, plus various dependents, spouses, public sector retirees and so on.
How many of those turkeys would need to vote for Christmas before a government could get a strong enough mandate to deliver the public sector cuts we really need to balance the books?
That, of course was the calculation behind labour's principal actions over its thirteen years.How many of those turkeys would need to vote for Christmas before a government could get a strong enough mandate to deliver the public sector cuts we really need to balance the books?
AndrewW-G said:
Countdown said:
How "captive" you are depends on your personal circumstances. You feel that you're receiving st value for money from a service which you cannot opt out from. But plenty of people have opted out from it and moved to other countries.
Which simply confirms my belief that a large percentage of public sector workers don’t give a st value for money from a service which you cannot opt out from. But plenty of people have opted out from it and moved to other countries.t about their customers . . . . AndrewW-G said:
Which simply confirms my belief that a large percentage of public sector workers don’t give a st about their customers . . . .
Wherever I have been able to opt out I have done, private health insurance means I can mostly avoid the NHS, private dental means I can actually get to see a dentist, increased levels of security at my home & business, coupled with private monitoring means I have less risk of having to deal with the police etc. etc.
Ok, those are examples of services provided to 'you'; where you clearly believe you can get something better suited to your immediate needs/aspirations/pocket and I don't doubt that's probably correct (although I'd be interested who might provide the services if you are unforunate enought to fall over with a stroke or cardiac arrest, say...)t about their customers . . . . Wherever I have been able to opt out I have done, private health insurance means I can mostly avoid the NHS, private dental means I can actually get to see a dentist, increased levels of security at my home & business, coupled with private monitoring means I have less risk of having to deal with the police etc. etc.
But, what about the services provided to regulate 'you' in the wider public interest; ie (for example in case you fall into any of these categories) to inspect your food business to ensure food safety has a slightly higher priority that mere profit, to ensure legionella dosing and control in your water towers is adequate, to ensure you are not wrecking/destroying the historic fabric of listed buildings just so you can have a pool/snooker room/humidor, to ensure gas appliances in houses in multiple occupation are not poisoning the tenants, to prevent you burning tyres and waste oil 24/7 so that your neighbourhood bathes in acrid black smoke, to stop you building houses on old gasworks sites or weedkiller factories without properly decontaminating... what, none of those (or similar) benefit you?
shed driver said:
I work in the public sector, and I just LOVE people "who pay my wages". I frequently have to put in extra time - the last example was when continuing CPR on a 17 year old, resuscitation carried on for 4 hours before it was discontinued, poor timing when it happens at 14:55 - that's 4 hours when I had to pay for emergency childcare at school.
When being faced a few days later by aneanderthal member of the public, who said he paid my wages, I calmly asked him for the 4 hours overtime that I was owed and whether he would cover my emergency childcare costs. Surprisingly enough he's going to complain to the chief exec - "He's my friend and we play golf together." Wonder if chief exec will dip HER hand into her pocket. I never knew she played golf either.
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This CEO wouldn't be the infamous Andrea Hill per chance? 225k annual salary she could afford a round or two of golf I expect.When being faced a few days later by a
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Countdown said:
But it isn't the Public Sector that's bankrupted the country.
Say you decide to buy a Lamborghini Gallardo based on the commission you're making from selling mobile phones. All of a sudden your commission drops/you lose your job/ whatever and you can't afford the Lambo. It's no point blaming the car - it wasn't the car that bankrupted you.
What you will need to do is downsize, maybe an 03 plate Vectra. It shouldn't matter because, apparently the Lamborghini was rubbish anyway
That's exactly what we're trying to do - except actually we're trading a 10 plate for an 07, but the Lamborghini is complaining...Say you decide to buy a Lamborghini Gallardo based on the commission you're making from selling mobile phones. All of a sudden your commission drops/you lose your job/ whatever and you can't afford the Lambo. It's no point blaming the car - it wasn't the car that bankrupted you.
What you will need to do is downsize, maybe an 03 plate Vectra. It shouldn't matter because, apparently the Lamborghini was rubbish anyway
shed driver said:
I work in the public sector, and I just LOVE people "who pay my wages". I frequently have to put in extra time - the last example was when continuing CPR on a 17 year old, resuscitation carried on for 4 hours before it was discontinued, poor timing when it happens at 14:55 - that's 4 hours when I had to pay for emergency childcare at school.
When being faced a few days later by aneanderthal member of the public, who said he paid my wages, I calmly asked him for the 4 hours overtime that I was owed and whether he would cover my emergency childcare costs. Surprisingly enough he's going to complain to the chief exec - "He's my friend and we play golf together." Wonder if chief exec will dip HER hand into her pocket. I never knew she played golf either.
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The dedication and (sometimes) danger go conveniently un-noticed. As an engineer endeavoring to give the squaddie the kit he so justly deserved, I have been stuck in the middle of a gunfight, had artillery dropped short onto my position (it was the krauts wot did it), been stuck in foreign parts without the means to return. It was all part of the job.When being faced a few days later by a
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The best one was after the major fire in the Channel Tunnel. MoD refused to give me a return airline ticket on the basis my return fare had already been paid for! I suppose I was expected to swim for it and some of you would, no doubt, agree.
IroningMan said:
Countdown said:
But it isn't the Public Sector that's bankrupted the country.
Say you decide to buy a Lamborghini Gallardo based on the commission you're making from selling mobile phones. All of a sudden your commission drops/you lose your job/ whatever and you can't afford the Lambo. It's no point blaming the car - it wasn't the car that bankrupted you.
What you will need to do is downsize, maybe an 03 plate Vectra. It shouldn't matter because, apparently the Lamborghini was rubbish anyway
That's exactly what we're trying to do - except actually we're trading a 10 plate for an 07, but the Lamborghini is complaining...Say you decide to buy a Lamborghini Gallardo based on the commission you're making from selling mobile phones. All of a sudden your commission drops/you lose your job/ whatever and you can't afford the Lambo. It's no point blaming the car - it wasn't the car that bankrupted you.
What you will need to do is downsize, maybe an 03 plate Vectra. It shouldn't matter because, apparently the Lamborghini was rubbish anyway
All I can say is that the vast majority of my colleagues don't agree with that. We're fully aware of the economic situation and, tbh, glad to have a job.
crankedup said:
shed driver said:
I work in the public sector, and I just LOVE people "who pay my wages". I frequently have to put in extra time - the last example was when continuing CPR on a 17 year old, resuscitation carried on for 4 hours before it was discontinued, poor timing when it happens at 14:55 - that's 4 hours when I had to pay for emergency childcare at school.
When being faced a few days later by aneanderthal member of the public, who said he paid my wages, I calmly asked him for the 4 hours overtime that I was owed and whether he would cover my emergency childcare costs. Surprisingly enough he's going to complain to the chief exec - "He's my friend and we play golf together." Wonder if chief exec will dip HER hand into her pocket. I never knew she played golf either.
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This CEO wouldn't be the infamous Andrea Hill per chance? 225k annual salary she could afford a round or two of golf I expect.When being faced a few days later by a
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