The Irish border

[anonymous-user]

Tuna said:

Ghibli said:

Tuna said:

Um... what has travelling in Europe got to do with coming into or out of the UK?

It's in the EU, think about it.

So... you come across from France on the Eurostar.. within Europe... there is passport control. (https://www.eurostar.com/uk-en/travel-info/your-trip/check-in)

Eurostar said:

To check in you’ll need your ticket and your passport or identity card. If you’re travelling with children they’ll each need their own passport, even babies.

We are within Europe... but we check passports at our borders. Regardless of whether you're an EU national or not.

Perhaps read the title of the thread.

[mx5nut]

Tuna said:

Ghibli said:

Tuna said:

Um... what has travelling in Europe got to do with coming into or out of the UK?

It's in the EU, think about it.

So... you come across from France on the Eurostar.. within Europe... there is passport control. (https://www.eurostar.com/uk-en/travel-info/your-trip/check-in)

Eurostar said:

To check in you’ll need your ticket and your passport or identity card. If you’re travelling with children they’ll each need their own passport, even babies.

We are within Europe... but we check passports at our borders. Regardless of whether you're an EU national or not.

In the last two pages - it turns out that we can (and do!) already control our borders and we were already sovereign (or Ireland have managed something we couldn't!). But we're Brexiting because, err, must be the blue passports.

[anonymous-user]

mx5nut said:

In the last two pages - it turns out that we can (and do!) already control our borders and we were already sovereign (or Ireland have managed something we couldn't!). But we're Brexiting because, err, must be the blue passports.

If only we weren't so ignorant

[Tuna]

Ghibli said:

Tuna said:

Ghibli said:

Tuna said:

Um... what has travelling in Europe got to do with coming into or out of the UK?

It's in the EU, think about it.

So... you come across from France on the Eurostar.. within Europe... there is passport control. (https://www.eurostar.com/uk-en/travel-info/your-trip/check-in)

Eurostar said:

To check in you’ll need your ticket and your passport or identity card. If you’re travelling with children they’ll each need their own passport, even babies.

We are within Europe... but we check passports at our borders. Regardless of whether you're an EU national or not.

Perhaps read the title of the thread.

Yes, and? It doesn't take a genius to work out how border crossings can be checked within Ireland. The point remains - we know when people enter or exit Ireland as a whole. That gives the basis of high level control of immigration through the country. Lord knows Sway and others have been talking about solutions for managing the borders within the country for long enough - you would have thought you'd have picked up a clue by now.

[Tuna]

mx5nut said:

In the last two pages - it turns out that we can (and do!) already control our borders

Your determination to take the most stupid line possible is remarkable. You know (or I hope you do) the difference between knowing who passes through our borders and the ability to decide whether or not they are eligible for work in the UK don't you?

[anonymous-user]

Tuna said:

Yes, and? It doesn't take a genius to work out how border crossings can be checked within Ireland. The point remains - we know when people enter or exit Ireland as a whole. That gives the basis of high level control of immigration through the country. Lord knows Sway and others have been talking about solutions for managing the borders within the country for long enough - you would have thought you'd have picked up a clue by now.

I take you don't understand why the EU have suggested moving the "Border" to the Irish Sea

Anyway, I will leave you calling people ignorant and showing off your knowledge.

[JuniorD]

mx5nut said:

psi310398 said:

Of course, vice versa, the Republic could always suspend the CTA if doesn't want UK citizens ambling over its border. It is a sovereign state, after all, and has been for almost a hundred years.

How did they manage that without leaving the EU? Weren't we told that was the only way to get our sovereignty?

Good point, well made

[Sway]

Ghibli said:

Tuna said:

Yes, and? It doesn't take a genius to work out how border crossings can be checked within Ireland. The point remains - we know when people enter or exit Ireland as a whole. That gives the basis of high level control of immigration through the country. Lord knows Sway and others have been talking about solutions for managing the borders within the country for long enough - you would have thought you'd have picked up a clue by now.

I take you don't understand why the EU have suggested moving the "Border" to the Irish Sea

Anyway, I will leave you calling people ignorant and showing off your knowledge.

The EU have suggested the goods border moves to the Irish Sea, to avoid the potential of customs processing within Ireland.

No one has suggested the human border moves.


The European continent is broadly under Schengen. Anyone entering the British Isles (whichever nation) has their details logged.

It's worked for decades, and apart from some marvellous protected minorities who utilise caravans, there haven't been much in the way of issues relating to unwanted migrants via RoI.

[Sway]

Eric Mc said:

Ghibli said:

Sway said:

Ghibli said:

Sway said:

Ghibli said:

Sway said:

The same way we do now for the 56 countries who's citizens do not have the right to work here, but can travel here for up to six months visa free...

So they don't get a visa at the border.

Nope.

Really. How do we know they are in the country and when their six months start.

Because they pass through a border, and have their entry recorded.

Same as travellers to the RoI have their entry recorded, and the details passed on to the UK.

It really isn't a problem, despite your repeated suggestion it is.

How will that work with an open border?

It won't.

Why not Eric?

It does, and has, for years.

[Rostfritt]

Sway said:

It's worked for decades, and apart from some marvellous protected minorities who utilise caravans, there haven't been much in the way of issues relating to unwanted migrants via RoI.

If you ignore the decades if not centuries of racism that has been directed at the Irish in Britain until the last few years.

[Dr Jekyll]

Ghibli said:

Eric Mc said:

It won't.

And there is our problem that we have to sort out.

But the EU are being awkward they cry.

Problem for whom?

[Sway]

Rostfritt said:

If you ignore the decades if not centuries of racism that has been directed at the Irish in Britain until the last few years.

That's been an issue for the CTA how?

You're reaching just a tad there chap.

[mx5nut]

Tuna said:

mx5nut said:

In the last two pages - it turns out that we can (and do!) already control our borders

Your determination to take the most stupid line possible is remarkable. You know (or I hope you do) the difference between knowing who passes through our borders and the ability to decide whether or not they are eligible for work in the UK don't you?

Yes, I'm sure the mob yelling "take control of our borders" during the referendum campaign were really talking about stricter work permits

[Eric Mc]

Tuna said:

Yes, and? It doesn't take a genius to work out how border crossings can be checked within Ireland.

As you are obviously a genius, could you explain how this will work on the Irish border to us non-geniuses.

I take it you have travelled extensively between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic. I also take it that you are aware of the what the Irish border really looks like and how it is used by those who cross it every day.

[loafer123]

There isn’t a mob - perhaps you are projecting the numerous profiles you post under?

Free movement of labour is what has driven immigration pressure, so restricting the ability to work for the EU, just as it is formeveryone else, does help solve one of the issues that drove the vote to leave the EU.

[Tuna]

Ghibli said:

I take you don't understand why the EU have suggested moving the "Border" to the Irish Sea

Anyway, I will leave you calling people ignorant and showing off your knowledge.

Well, my deep intelligence does reach as far as being able to tell the difference between people and goods. You seem to be struggling.

[Eric Mc]

Tuna said:

Well, my deep intelligence does reach as far as being able to tell the difference between people and goods. You seem to be struggling.

Can you answer my question above?

[anonymous-user]

Tuna said:

Well, my deep intelligence does reach as far as being able to tell the difference between people and goods. You seem to be struggling.

With a bit of luck you will work out what a border is soon.

[Rostfritt]

Sway said:

Rostfritt said:

If you ignore the decades if not centuries of racism that has been directed at the Irish in Britain until the last few years.

That's been an issue for the CTA how?

You're reaching just a tad there chap.

I can imagine that many people even today would not be happy with Irish having freedom of movement and travel to the UK today. I think pointing this out instead of assuming that everyone is entirely fine with modern day Irish immigration into the UK is a valid point of discussion.

[Tuna]

Eric Mc said:

Tuna said:

Yes, and? It doesn't take a genius to work out how border crossings can be checked within Ireland.

As you are obviously a genius, could you explain how this will work on the Irish border to us non-geniuses.

I take it you have travelled extensively between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic. I also take it that you are aware of the what the Irish border really looks like and how it is used by those who cross it every day.

Well in the context of Ghibli's nonsense, I don't believe there is much of an issue with people crossing the border within Ireland? Most of it can be managed by using the usual tools - identity checks at point of access for work, public services and housing as I understand it, the same way we manage it on the mainland.

As for being aware of the border in Ireland... we've had 121 pages of people being experts on the subject.... by now we should all be able to name the individual sheep in the fields along the border

Certainly my understanding was that the sticking point in the negotiations was centred around goods, not people.