Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
Discussion
Gecko1978 said:
He was in one place all the time the embassy of a foreign state which as I understand is in effect their soil. An I deliberately did not say assassination because ot sounds all to James bond. But lets say the US really wanted assange back. Then maybe they spoke to Ecuador who agreed to push him out and then the british arrested him meaning he could not flee an then informally it was agreed they would allow extradition to the US.
Now the final part has not happened yet but it might. I am saying simply if a state actor wants you badly enough and they have resources they are getting you. Russia and the ME have form for milling rivals and North Korea also. UK not so much the US have killed Iranian generals in iraq I recall. So it does go on but Assange is not a general making nuclear weapons he is now by all accounts a broken man with mental health issues....seems the US have still won.
A friend of mine who was wanted for questioning in the US refused to transit via Heathrow as he believed that there was a chance that while airside he could be “encouraged” onto a flight to the US without anyone in the UK government feeling it was enough of a UK issue to stop it happening.Now the final part has not happened yet but it might. I am saying simply if a state actor wants you badly enough and they have resources they are getting you. Russia and the ME have form for milling rivals and North Korea also. UK not so much the US have killed Iranian generals in iraq I recall. So it does go on but Assange is not a general making nuclear weapons he is now by all accounts a broken man with mental health issues....seems the US have still won.
I’ve no idea how valid his fears were, and in the end he came home to face the music in the UK, which was a £2.5m confiscation order, 5 year sentence, and £6.5m fine, which was since let drop.
DeejRC said:
Well I don’t especially feel the need to be ranty against him, I just regard him as a twit. Can’t we tell him to just bugger off and leave him to his own devices?
I rather suspect we didn’t go into the Ecuador gaff because whilst he was there we didn’t have to care! Do they want him back at all?
There is an extradition request from the Americans and we are legally obliged to deal with that according to the Extradition Treaty and Act.I rather suspect we didn’t go into the Ecuador gaff because whilst he was there we didn’t have to care! Do they want him back at all?
We didn't go into the Ecuadorian Embassy because it would have caused a diplomatic stir even though we would have been entitled to do so. If I were being cynical I'd say that there were other factors at play; why on Earth did he go into that particular embassy? Ecuador, I mean it's hardly one of the big world players and not somewhere that immediately springs to mind for asylum from the Yanks. I mean what about Russia, North Korea? I have a sneaking suspicion that it may not be beyond the realms of possibility that an international computer hacker with lots of computer hacker friends may have some dirt on the Ecuadorian government or its officials. Perhaps we didn't go get him as a favour to avoid embarrassment to Ecuador due to what he might have had on them?
AJL308 said:
vaud said:
AJL308 said:
The UK does not recognise claims for "political asylum".
Don't we?hutchst said:
AJL308 said:
vaud said:
AJL308 said:
The UK does not recognise claims for "political asylum".
Don't we?I only ask as it is a criteria in applying for asylum.
Though that is caveated with "Your claim might not be considered if you are from an EU country"
There is a big difference and it is explained many times above. Assange did not give any thought to the public interest in his disclosures. He disclosed willy nilly, even in cases where there was a legitimate public interest reason for secrecy. The Pentagon Papers case was all about public interest disclosure.
kitz said:
In defence of Julian ,is there any difference between him and Daniel Ellsberg who revealed the mendacious lies and coverups of various USA administrations in regard to the Vietnam war. I think most non Americans would regard Ellsberg a hero .
About as much difference as there is between an obstetric surgeon and Lisa Montgomery.Daniel Ellsberg said ‘ Whatever Julian Assange is guilty of ,I am guilty too ‘, he gave evidence in the case .
Breadvan assertions that British judges are immune to political pressure is so naive I doubt he believes them .Inquiring minds might google Lady Arbuthnot of Edrom , the chief magistrate who appoints district judges ( I don’t get it either ) husband . She proceeded over the case ..If you view the clip of the American helicopter gun ship murdering innocent civilians ( light them up ) you might share Julian’s revulsion .
Breadvan assertions that British judges are immune to political pressure is so naive I doubt he believes them .Inquiring minds might google Lady Arbuthnot of Edrom , the chief magistrate who appoints district judges ( I don’t get it either ) husband . She proceeded over the case ..If you view the clip of the American helicopter gun ship murdering innocent civilians ( light them up ) you might share Julian’s revulsion .
kitz said:
Daniel Ellsberg said ‘ Whatever Julian Assange is guilty of ,I am guilty too ‘, he gave evidence in the case .
Breadvan assertions that British judges are immune to political pressure is so naive I doubt he believes them .Inquiring minds might google Lady Arbuthnot of Edrom , the chief magistrate who appoints district judges ( I don’t get it either ) husband . She proceeded over the case ..If you view the clip of the American helicopter gun ship murdering innocent civilians ( light them up ) you might share Julian’s revulsion .
Can you re-phrase that in English please?Breadvan assertions that British judges are immune to political pressure is so naive I doubt he believes them .Inquiring minds might google Lady Arbuthnot of Edrom , the chief magistrate who appoints district judges ( I don’t get it either ) husband . She proceeded over the case ..If you view the clip of the American helicopter gun ship murdering innocent civilians ( light them up ) you might share Julian’s revulsion .
The expanded quote ... Whatever he’s guilty of ,I’m guilty of. The motives were similar.The difference being , I was a source, he was a publisher. He was like the New York Times and the others -more courageous than they are obviously.But I identify with him totally.The notion that he’s guilty of something that I ,the good guy ,wasn’t is just false .
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