The People's Vote - which way would you vote?

[Helicopter123]

amusingduck said:

Tuna said:

Helicopter123 said:

The best possible deal with the EU is the one we already have, let's push to hold onto this.

Thatcher and Major secured some very valuable concessions - why give these up?

But we've just offered the EU all of the advantages of Remaining, without the troublesome voting and dissent. Why should they negotiate a worse deal than that?

Come on chopper, you like chequers remember

The best possible deal with the EU is the one we already have, I have been very clear on that.

Chequers is only preferable to the disaster of a hard brexit.

The deals with valuable concessions achieved by Thatcher and Major looks better and better by the day.

Thatcher and Major secured some very valuable concessions - why give these up?

[Robertj21a]

Helicopter123 said:

The best possible deal with the EU is the one we already have, I have been very clear on that.

Chequers is only preferable to the disaster of a hard brexit.

The deals with valuable concessions achieved by Thatcher and Major looks better and better by the day.

Thatcher and Major secured some very valuable concessions - why give these up?

You said the same at 11.19 - less than 4 hours ago. Had you forgotten or is it all on auto-repeat ?

[Robertj21a]

deadslow said:

yep. Stop the madness.

Even if you are the most ardent Brexiter, we'd be better to stay in for the time being and leave another time, when we have some semblance of a plan, and when all the (spineless coward) major players promise not to run away or play backstabbing from the comfort of the sidelines i.e when the Tories are no longer in power.

Good try, but just more twaddle.

We're leaving, in line with a democratic decision from the electorate. What bit are you finding difficult to understand ?

[CaptainSlow]

p1stonhead said:

The guy who wrote A50 said it can be reversed.

What he says is irrelevant.

[deadslow]

Robertj21a said:

deadslow said:

yep. Stop the madness.

Even if you are the most ardent Brexiter, we'd be better to stay in for the time being and leave another time, when we have some semblance of a plan, and when all the (spineless coward) major players promise not to run away or play backstabbing from the comfort of the sidelines i.e when the Tories are no longer in power.

Good try, but just more twaddle.

We're leaving, in line with a democratic decision from the electorate. What bit are you finding difficult to understand ?

you people are always so rude and angry. Take a chill pill, chap, another referendum will be along in a moment.

[kurt535]

Robertj21a said:

deadslow said:

yep. Stop the madness.

Even if you are the most ardent Brexiter, we'd be better to stay in for the time being and leave another time, when we have some semblance of a plan, and when all the (spineless coward) major players promise not to run away or play backstabbing from the comfort of the sidelines i.e when the Tories are no longer in power.

Good try, but just more twaddle.

We're leaving, in line with a democratic decision from the electorate. What bit are you finding difficult to understand ?

Project Brexit appears to have reached high-water mark, don't see us leaving any time soon

[kurt535]

don'tbesilly said:

Trophy Husband said:

don'tbesilly said:

Helicopter123 said:

Sa Calobra said:

I don't think it'll get through parliament.

We face hard Brexit.

I think it will struggle too based on what I’ve read in the MSM, but the alternative is a people’s vote. There is no appetite anywhere (well, other than amongst a few on here) for the chaos of hard Brexit.

Caveat is that I’ve yet to read the agreement and will reserve judgement on it for now.

Next deadline looks like 25 Nov for the EU summit. Those wishing to resist the deal (on all sides) are working with limited time now.

Excellent.

Looking forward to seeing the new terms of our membership from the EU.

You only need to see what May has capitulated on to know the terms won't be those that existed prior to the referendum.

Looks like everything that May has consistently said won't happen, will.

Change of the law to extend A50.
New Referendum Bill to go through the Commons/Lords.
Potential Legal challenges.
The Referendum bill will need Royal Assent to become law.
Campaigns for both Remain/Leave.
Second referendum.

So probably at least another year before the UK arrives at a decision, which could be subject to a third referendum, if the Remainers don't like the inevitable larger majority vote to Leave.

Why do you assume that a larger majority to leave is likely if there is a second referendum? I'm just interested in how you can draw this conclusion when nobody knows what the future of the UK is at this moment.

If people were told that leaving the EU would damage the UK economy, employment, the ound in their pocket, their families future, the value of their pound abroad etc for the next 30 years and it was substantiated with hard facts, do you really think people would still vote to leave? If so, what would be the justification for such a vote? I'd like to know.

You seemed to have outlined what the Remain campaign predicted would happen 30 odd months ago if the UK voted to leave in the referendum of 2016.

I think most are still waiting for the majority of what was predicted to happen, to actually happen.

You are so poorly read. I honestly look forward to reading your posts though when I have time off work. How much sand and buckets do you get through in a day?

[gooner1]

kurt535 said:

Project Brexit appears to have reached high-water mark, don't see us leaving any time soon

Depends on what you define as soon, March 29 2019 will seem like aeons to a very
Young undeveloped mind, to someone more matue, not so long.
It's all very relative , Bro.

[p1stonhead]

gooner1 said:

kurt535 said:

Project Brexit appears to have reached high-water mark, don't see us leaving any time soon

Depends on what you define as soon, March 29 2019 will seem like aeons to a very
Young undeveloped mind, to someone more matue, not so long.
It's all very relative , Bro.

Dont let any old brexiters exert themselves too much though, theyll keel over and die before ever getting to the end of March.

[gooner1]

p1stonhead said:

Dont let any old brexiters exert themselves too much though, theyll keel over and die before ever getting to the end of March.

Unfortunately, for you, there is and always will be a never ending supply of
the more mature voter.

[Helicopter123]

Robertj21a said:

Helicopter123 said:

The best possible deal with the EU is the one we already have, I have been very clear on that.

Chequers is only preferable to the disaster of a hard brexit.

The deals with valuable concessions achieved by Thatcher and Major looks better and better by the day.

Thatcher and Major secured some very valuable concessions - why give these up?

You said the same at 11.19 - less than 4 hours ago. Had you forgotten or is it all on auto-repeat ?

I have been very consistent and want to reiterate my position.

[Robertj21a]

deadslow said:

Robertj21a said:

deadslow said:

yep. Stop the madness.

Even if you are the most ardent Brexiter, we'd be better to stay in for the time being and leave another time, when we have some semblance of a plan, and when all the (spineless coward) major players promise not to run away or play backstabbing from the comfort of the sidelines i.e when the Tories are no longer in power.

Good try, but just more twaddle.

We're leaving, in line with a democratic decision from the electorate. What bit are you finding difficult to understand ?

you people are always so rude and angry. Take a chill pill, chap, another referendum will be along in a moment.

That wasn't rude or angry, just factual. All the Remoaners denials are quite comical really.


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[deadslow]

Robertj21a said:

deadslow said:

Robertj21a said:

deadslow said:

yep. Stop the madness.

Even if you are the most ardent Brexiter, we'd be better to stay in for the time being and leave another time, when we have some semblance of a plan, and when all the (spineless coward) major players promise not to run away or play backstabbing from the comfort of the sidelines i.e when the Tories are no longer in power.

Good try, but just more twaddle.

We're leaving, in line with a democratic decision from the electorate. What bit are you finding difficult to understand ?

you people are always so rude and angry. Take a chill pill, chap, another referendum will be along in a moment.

That wasn't rude or angry, just factual. All the Remoaners denials are quite comical really.


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calm down, chap - we're staying in the real world - get over it

[psi310398]

Helicopter123 said:

I have been very consistent and want to reiterate my position.

No st?

[Robertj21a]

deadslow said:

Robertj21a said:

deadslow said:

Robertj21a said:

deadslow said:

yep. Stop the madness.

Even if you are the most ardent Brexiter, we'd be better to stay in for the time being and leave another time, when we have some semblance of a plan, and when all the (spineless coward) major players promise not to run away or play backstabbing from the comfort of the sidelines i.e when the Tories are no longer in power.

Good try, but just more twaddle.

We're leaving, in line with a democratic decision from the electorate. What bit are you finding difficult to understand ?

you people are always so rude and angry. Take a chill pill, chap, another referendum will be along in a moment.

That wasn't rude or angry, just factual. All the Remoaners denials are quite comical really.


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calm down, chap - we're staying in the real world - get over it

Perfectly calm here. Interesting times - and gradually heading in the right direction. What's not to like ?. Just a bit surprised that some on here seem to struggle so much with the idea of us not staying in the EU.

[deadslow]

Robertj21a said:

deadslow said:

Robertj21a said:

deadslow said:

Robertj21a said:

deadslow said:

yep. Stop the madness.

Even if you are the most ardent Brexiter, we'd be better to stay in for the time being and leave another time, when we have some semblance of a plan, and when all the (spineless coward) major players promise not to run away or play backstabbing from the comfort of the sidelines i.e when the Tories are no longer in power.

Good try, but just more twaddle.

We're leaving, in line with a democratic decision from the electorate. What bit are you finding difficult to understand ?

you people are always so rude and angry. Take a chill pill, chap, another referendum will be along in a moment.

That wasn't rude or angry, just factual. All the Remoaners denials are quite comical really.


.

calm down, chap - we're staying in the real world - get over it

Perfectly calm here. Interesting times - and gradually heading in the right direction. What's not to like ?. Just a bit surprised that some on here seem to struggle so much with the idea of us not staying in the EU.

har har, you just can't help yourself, can you?

[Tuna]

Helicopter123 said:

Chequers is only preferable to the disaster of a hard brexit.

I know how much you dislike answering questions, but...

Why do you think Remaining is more preferable to the EU than May's deal?

May's deal gives them full access to the UK, full regulatory control, payments and alignment, and none of the headaches of the UK being a full member. We've given them all their Christmases in one go, why would they want to go back to having the UK as a full member?

The EU are now going to dig their heels in and say "You can't now give us any other offer". I'll put money on it.

[don'tbesilly]

kurt535 said:

don'tbesilly said:

Trophy Husband said:

don'tbesilly said:

Helicopter123 said:

Sa Calobra said:

I don't think it'll get through parliament.

We face hard Brexit.

I think it will struggle too based on what I’ve read in the MSM, but the alternative is a people’s vote. There is no appetite anywhere (well, other than amongst a few on here) for the chaos of hard Brexit.

Caveat is that I’ve yet to read the agreement and will reserve judgement on it for now.

Next deadline looks like 25 Nov for the EU summit. Those wishing to resist the deal (on all sides) are working with limited time now.

Excellent.

Looking forward to seeing the new terms of our membership from the EU.

You only need to see what May has capitulated on to know the terms won't be those that existed prior to the referendum.

Looks like everything that May has consistently said won't happen, will.

Change of the law to extend A50.
New Referendum Bill to go through the Commons/Lords.
Potential Legal challenges.
The Referendum bill will need Royal Assent to become law.
Campaigns for both Remain/Leave.
Second referendum.

So probably at least another year before the UK arrives at a decision, which could be subject to a third referendum, if the Remainers don't like the inevitable larger majority vote to Leave.

Why do you assume that a larger majority to leave is likely if there is a second referendum? I'm just interested in how you can draw this conclusion when nobody knows what the future of the UK is at this moment.

If people were told that leaving the EU would damage the UK economy, employment, the ound in their pocket, their families future, the value of their pound abroad etc for the next 30 years and it was substantiated with hard facts, do you really think people would still vote to leave? If so, what would be the justification for such a vote? I'd like to know.

You seemed to have outlined what the Remain campaign predicted would happen 30 odd months ago if the UK voted to leave in the referendum of 2016.

I think most are still waiting for the majority of what was predicted to happen, to actually happen.

You are so poorly read. I honestly look forward to reading your posts though when I have time off work. How much sand and buckets do you get through in a day?

You still bitter and twisted because I outed you as a liar and fantasist.

You ever going to come clean on the Pharma company in Surrey

[Helicopter123]

Tuna said:

Helicopter123 said:

Chequers is only preferable to the disaster of a hard brexit.

I know how much you dislike answering questions, but...

Why do you think Remaining is more preferable to the EU than May's deal?

May's deal gives them full access to the UK, full regulatory control, payments and alignment, and none of the headaches of the UK being a full member. We've given them all their Christmases in one go, why would they want to go back to having the UK as a full member?

The EU are now going to dig their heels in and say "You can't now give us any other offer". I'll put money on it.

I can't speak for the EU.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Helicopter123 said:

Robertj21a said:

Helicopter123 said:

The best possible deal with the EU is the one we already have, I have been very clear on that.

Chequers is only preferable to the disaster of a hard brexit.

The deals with valuable concessions achieved by Thatcher and Major looks better and better by the day.

Thatcher and Major secured some very valuable concessions - why give these up?

You said the same at 11.19 - less than 4 hours ago. Had you forgotten or is it all on auto-repeat ?

I have been very consistent and want to reiterate my position.

Isn't it funny how you think the EU will allow the UK to remain on the same conditions as negotiated by Thatcher if the UK actually decided to remain? (and off course this has already been eroded by Bliar when he gave the EU extra billions of UK taxpayers cash off the UK`s rebate, in exchange for much needed amendments to the CAP. They took the extra cash, and made no changes whatsoever to the CAP.
If you think the EU will allow the UK to remain on the same conditions negotiated by Thatcher you must be living in cloud cuckoo land.
When is the EU going to compensate the UK for the seizure of 80% of the fish stocks in UK territorial waters?
When is the EU ever going to give the UK even a single net positive penny of funding, despite the UK being the second largest net contributor of funds into the EU`s coffers after Germany?
You just seem to want the UK taxpayer to throw billions of their pounds into the EU without ever getting anything back for it, Why is that?