45th President of the United States, Donald Trump.

[don4l]

minimoog said:

Hosenbugler said:

Pissing off lefty hand wringers is most certainly a grand and noble achivement. In fact, its bloody hilarious

With possibly one or two exceptions at most, yours is the least interesting opinion of anyone of PH, so you've got that achievement too.

Perhaps you should start a thread about this over on Chew the fat?

[fatboy18]

Hosenbugler said:

minimoog said:

Dog Star said:

The BBCs bias and coverage is a disgrace; nothing but thinly veiled anti-Trump stories, always gets in the stuff about protests and gives as much coverage to anti-Trump protests and what bands will be playing, his "thin skin" and temperament vis a vis nuclear codes. The bias is unbelievable.

There isn't anything good to report. He has done nothing except behave like a clattering spunktrumpet since the day he announced he was running (and long before of course).

If you can think of anything good, useful, noble and positive he has done that hasn't been reported feel free to post it up.

Pissing off lefty hand wringers is most certainly a grand and noble achivement. In fact, its bloody hilarious

Er, Well he has already created some new jobs in America by saying to Ford if you move out to Mexico we will impose high taxes on you, so they have now decided to stay and expand in the USA. So that's something positive. Or are you Mexican?

[minimoog]

Camoradi said:

The overriding impression I have from interviews with people who voted for him is that they accept he has some blemishes on his record, but but that he was still the choice which gave them most hope.

I don't think I'd use 'overriding' but in general I don't disagree with this and have acknowledged as much here before. Nevertheless there is clearly a large faction of his supporters who think he's very much on their level in terms of his behaviour, attitudes to various subjects and sections of society, and style of communication. So given the nature of those 'blemishes' inferences may be safely drawn thank you very much.

[minimoog]

fatboy18 said:

r, Well he has already created some new jobs in America by saying to Ford if you move out to Mexico we will impose high taxes on you, so they have now decided to stay and expand in the USA. So that's something positive. Or are you Mexican?

And that has been reported by the BBC at some length. So it looks like Dog Star is just having a good old anti-BBC bleat.

[jingars]

First woman President? Who is Olive Trump?

[minimoog]

don4l said:

Perhaps you should start a thread about this over on Chew the fat?

Get a load of Sherlock here.

[Elroy Blue]

The Victoria Derbyshire show is a joke. She treated the challengers to Corbyn's leadership as if they were members of the National Front. Anybody who challenged must be a right wing nutcase. It wasn't even subtle.
I think it's bordering on the impossible to get impartial, factual news these days

[fatboy18]

jingars said:

First woman President? Who is Olive Trump?

Dunno? I just googled her and did not find much

[paul789]

st, this is serious. This changes everything:

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/reading-berkshire...

Protests expected in dull, tracksuit-filled market town in England. Ridiculous.

[p1stonhead]

fatboy18 said:

Hosenbugler said:

minimoog said:

Dog Star said:

The BBCs bias and coverage is a disgrace; nothing but thinly veiled anti-Trump stories, always gets in the stuff about protests and gives as much coverage to anti-Trump protests and what bands will be playing, his "thin skin" and temperament vis a vis nuclear codes. The bias is unbelievable.

There isn't anything good to report. He has done nothing except behave like a clattering spunktrumpet since the day he announced he was running (and long before of course).

If you can think of anything good, useful, noble and positive he has done that hasn't been reported feel free to post it up.

Pissing off lefty hand wringers is most certainly a grand and noble achivement. In fact, its bloody hilarious

Er, Well he has already created some new jobs in America by saying to Ford if you move out to Mexico we will impose high taxes on you, so they have now decided to stay and expand in the USA. So that's something positive. Or are you Mexican?

So you think the cars which are now going to be a lot more expensive to make in the USA will be sold for the same prices as they would had they been made in Mexico?

[Hosenbugler]

Elroy Blue said:

The Victoria Derbyshire show is a joke. She treated the challengers to Corbyn's leadership as if they were members of the National Front. Anybody who challenged must be a right wing nutcase. It wasn't even subtle.
I think it's bordering on the impossible to get impartial, factual news these days

The problem seems to be in that all too many of these "news" organisations , are anything but, the "news" itself being open to interpretation to drive the suited agenda's.

The NYT admitting/claiming that it set's the countries agenda.

http://deadline.com/2016/11/shocked-by-trump-new-y...

I no longer watch broadcast media, along with the perpetual ambulance chaser and charity ads I don't miss the "news" staions one bit. I vsit media sites across the planet, and somewhere among them all, one gets a balanced perspective. As for the BBC , well, they are supposed to be impartial , they are very far from it, the leftist bias being obvious and persistent ,even finding itself onto Radio 3 , really does need shaking up a bit methinks.

Edited by Hosenbugler on Friday 20th January 14:54

[scherzkeks]

fatboy18 said:

Lucas Ayde said:

Best Wishes to President Trump. A much needed change to the sad, rotten, neoliberal order that has done so much damage to the World over the last few decades.

Hopefully the childish, whining, crybaby crowd will settle down - though they were busy overnight escalating their petty, smallminded, ILliberal mindset to violence (no surprises there, eh?):

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-20/%E2%80%9C...

Really, what has the world come to when the whole liberal ethos has been hijacked and tarnished by a bunch of badly raised and obviously intellectually incoherent people? The people who fought for actual liberal values would be rolling in their grave at the antics of those claiming to be liberal-minded these days.

Good Post

x2
This is precisely where I am coming from. Those who get it, get it.

[TTwiggy]

It seems Plato understood this 2600 years ago

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/ameri...

[Lucas Ayde]

p1stonhead said:

So you think the cars which are now going to be a lot more expensive to make in the USA will be sold for the same prices as they would had they been made in Mexico?

No point having lots of cheap stuff (which is cheap because it's made in a place where businesses don't have things to worry about like employment protection, welfare payments, health and safety protection, environmental restraints) if people don't have a decent job to be able to afford to buy it - which is increasingly the case.

This is the crux of why globalisation is finally coming off the rails. We've had decades of the hollowing out of Western economies to regions of the World where it's way cheaper to produce stuff (for the reasons I outlined above) and the companies have been able to import the finished product back to the West with minimal tariffs, sell it cheaper and make out like bandits whilst avoiding paying tax by booking their profits offshore. We had a massive credit boom where people made up for the loss of a decent income from well paid permanent jobs through credit but that is pretty much spent now, despite extraordinary measures to keep it alive) and we are hitting the buffers.

If big business wants to make its products somewhere that they can pay the workers a quid a day, have them working in hazardous conditions with no (expense causing) need to make the workplace safe and dump all their toxic crap straight into the local environment, they can damn well pay a tariff to bring the finished product back to sell to us in developed countries. They can also pay their damn taxes.

[TTwiggy]

Lucas Ayde said:

p1stonhead said:

So you think the cars which are now going to be a lot more expensive to make in the USA will be sold for the same prices as they would had they been made in Mexico?

No point having lots of cheap stuff (which is cheap because it's made in a place where businesses don't have things to worry about like employment protection, welfare payments, health and safety protection, environmental restraints) if people don't have a decent job to be able to afford to buy it - which is increasingly the case.

This is the crux of why globalisation is finally coming off the rails. We've had decades of the hollowing out of Western economies to regions of the World where it's way cheaper to produce stuff (for the reasons I outlined above) and the companies have been able to import the finished product back to the West with minimal tariffs, sell it cheaper and make out like bandits whilst avoiding paying tax by booking their profits offshore. We had a massive credit boom where people made up for the loss of a decent income from well paid permanent jobs through credit but that is pretty much spent now, despite extraordinary measures to keep it alive) and we are hitting the buffers.

If big business wants to make its products somewhere that they can pay the workers a quid a day, have them working in hazardous conditions with no (expense causing) need to make the workplace safe and dump all their toxic crap straight into the local environment, they can damn well pay a tariff to bring the finished product back to sell to us in developed countries. They can also pay their damn taxes.

What about the people who do have jobs and who can afford a $20,000 car, but not an identical one for $60,000? Should they expect a massive pay rise?

[TEKNOPUG]

johnxjsc1985 said:

The people voted for Trump because they are sick of these people telling them how to live their lives when they haven't a clue what their lives are even like.
Its the little people who voted him in perhaps you also think they must all be thick and racist.

I'm sure that the billionaire, son of a billionaire, knows exactly what their lives are like. He's a man of the people, a man from the streets. Fifth Avenue to be precise.

[p1stonhead]

Lucas Ayde said:

p1stonhead said:

So you think the cars which are now going to be a lot more expensive to make in the USA will be sold for the same prices as they would had they been made in Mexico?

No point having lots of cheap stuff (which is cheap because it's made in a place where businesses don't have things to worry about like employment protection, welfare payments, health and safety protection, environmental restraints) if people don't have a decent job to be able to afford to buy it - which is increasingly the case.

This is the crux of why globalisation is finally coming off the rails. We've had decades of the hollowing out of Western economies to regions of the World where it's way cheaper to produce stuff (for the reasons I outlined above) and the companies have been able to import the finished product back to the West with minimal tariffs, sell it cheaper and make out like bandits whilst avoiding paying tax by booking their profits offshore. We had a massive credit boom where people made up for the loss of a decent income from well paid permanent jobs through credit but that is pretty much spent now, despite extraordinary measures to keep it alive) and we are hitting the buffers.

If big business wants to make its products somewhere that they can pay the workers a quid a day, have them working in hazardous conditions with no (expense causing) need to make the workplace safe and dump all their toxic crap straight into the local environment, they can damn well pay a tariff to bring the finished product back to sell to us in developed countries. They can also pay their damn taxes.

So you think Americans will be happy to pay increased costs to cover the taxes associated with these new rules? The companies won't swallow them

[Lucas Ayde]

TTwiggy said:

What about the people who do have jobs and who can afford a $20,000 car, but not an identical one for $60,000? Should they expect a massive pay rise?

People should maybe be more realistic about the real cost of consumer goods - both in currency and what that is doing to the longer term prospects of economic prosperity in their country, and what effect that might ultimately have on themselves.

You picked a poor example with the cost of a car though - as evidenced by recent threads here there seems to be an overwhelming move to get cars on some sort of finance deal which invariably means you never really own the car. Another example of how credit has stepped in to replace a decent, stable, income.

[Lucas Ayde]

p1stonhead said:

So you think Americans will be happy to pay increased costs to cover the taxes associated with these new rules? The companies won't swallow them

I think that on balance people would be happier to have a well paid, secure job and not be up to their necks in debt.

I lived in a country with a very high cost of living and some quite heavy restrictions/ tariffs on imports, for almost a decade. Strangely enough, people weren't grumbling about prices (which were generally quite a bit higher than the UK) because they had decent pay and good working conditions - and thus were able to afford one of the best standards of living around. The country also consistently featured around the top of the global happiness lists. But then what would the Swiss know?

[fatboy18]

p1stonhead said:

fatboy18 said:

Hosenbugler said:

minimoog said:

Dog Star said:

The BBCs bias and coverage is a disgrace; nothing but thinly veiled anti-Trump stories, always gets in the stuff about protests and gives as much coverage to anti-Trump protests and what bands will be playing, his "thin skin" and temperament vis a vis nuclear codes. The bias is unbelievable.

There isn't anything good to report. He has done nothing except behave like a clattering spunktrumpet since the day he announced he was running (and long before of course).

If you can think of anything good, useful, noble and positive he has done that hasn't been reported feel free to post it up.

Pissing off lefty hand wringers is most certainly a grand and noble achivement. In fact, its bloody hilarious

Er, Well he has already created some new jobs in America by saying to Ford if you move out to Mexico we will impose high taxes on you, so they have now decided to stay and expand in the USA. So that's something positive. Or are you Mexican?

So you think the cars which are now going to be a lot more expensive to make in the USA will be sold for the same prices as they would had they been made in Mexico?

The whole point is that it should not always be about lowest price, if you can give someone a job in your own country, that means one less person claiming off the state, the price of the product may increase slightly but then people could secure a loan to purchase that product over time. Cheap prices have been the nail in the coffin for many countries, big business for many decades has chosen to get many products made in the far east, this has created many at the top to get extremely rich while the old industrial flat lands of mid america and infrastructure lay in ruins, with no money left to repair roads etc. There is a balance to be made and I hope that the Republican movement will help put money back into investing in its own country. I also hope with brexit we do a similar thing too breathing new life into our industry's.