New diesel and petrol cars banned from UK roads by 2030

[Lily the Pink]

eccles said:

Fort Jefferson said:

eccles said:

It would seem this is quite a problem. I hadn't realised that charging points would have reliability issues, I thought with few working parts they shouldn't need much maintenance, but this article seems to suggest there's loads out there not working.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/28/elec...

Well they bought a battery car, and haven't even got a charge point at home, doh!!!

There are many on this thread who say we don't need a charger at home! However the point of the article is how hard it was to get home due to the many unserviceable charging points out there

Read the article. Nowhere does it say they don't have a charging point at home. In fact it strongly suggests they do, as they had not previously concerned themselves with knowing whether local charging points were operational or not.

[techguyone]

One thing is for sure, now it's not just the odd EV user, those public services need a lot of work, many up to now are there fior really brownie points only, I've seen more ICE cars parked in EV slots in carparks than EV's, things will need to change beyond makers rolling out the vehicles as there are genuine needs to be able to use public charging points.

[FiF]

techguyone said:

One thing is for sure, now it's not just the odd EV user, those public services need a lot of work, many up to now are there fior really brownie points only, I've seen more ICE cars parked in EV slots in carparks than EV's, things will need to change beyond makers rolling out the vehicles as there are genuine needs to be able to use public charging points.

There's another side to it regarding motorway service stations, with the odd exception, the places themselves need some money spending on them, grim places.

As for EV charging points, if the pricing is outrageous as the current fuel pricing then no matter how many points you put there they will only be emergency distress charge points. Except Tesla superchargers obviously.

[Jazzy Jag]

FiF said:

There's another side to it regarding motorway service stations, with the odd exception, the places themselves need some money spending on them, grim places.

As for EV charging points, if the pricing is outrageous as the current fuel pricing then no matter how many points you put there they will only be emergency distress charge points. Except Tesla superchargers obviously.

With that in mind, holiday makers needing to do a charge to complete their journey Devon & Cornwall will leave the motorway and jam up all the nearby towns in search of those elusive. working chargers.

Taunton and Tiverton will be grid locked.

[otolith]

On the Porsche satnav - maybe I am misunderstanding what happened here, but I think it did the same on Harry's new video from yesterday, because he knew where there was a fast charger nearby but that car did not;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C-dSOf0jp4

[ColdoRS]

Jazzy Jag said:

FiF said:

There's another side to it regarding motorway service stations, with the odd exception, the places themselves need some money spending on them, grim places.

As for EV charging points, if the pricing is outrageous as the current fuel pricing then no matter how many points you put there they will only be emergency distress charge points. Except Tesla superchargers obviously.

With that in mind, holiday makers needing to do a charge to complete their journey Devon & Cornwall will leave the motorway and jam up all the nearby towns in search of those elusive. working chargers.

Taunton and Tiverton will be grid locked.

Not really, they won’t be installing many rapid chargers in town centres.
Look at the spread of rapid chargers in the UK at the moment - mostly on or nearby major trunk roads, as that’s where they are needed most.

‘Fast’(7kW) chargers that you more commonly see in town centres are useless for long journeys as they will generally only add 30miles in an hour - not at all handy when trying to reach Newquay from Newcastle for example, so no one will venture from the M5 into Taunton town centre to use one, when a 30min stop at a rapid in a motorway service station will fill their battery back up to 80% or so.

[Digga]

Interesting thoughts on here, regarding EV charging infrastruture.

I can see a number or sectors to the whole picture.

• The 7kw in parking spaces in cities, towns and villages for those commuting in and out - be that to shop, have a coffee or meal, or a short meeting (if we're allowed!) - and staying for up to a couple of hours maximum.

• Faster chargers in places that used to have rural petrol stations which became unviable due to low volumes, but ideal for community service of EV.s

• faster chargers on motorways and busier A and B roads, but as others say, these must be in conjunction with facilities sufficient to 'justify' a longer than normal "splash and dash" motorway petrol/diesel stop.

[Fundoreen]

At some stage every household will get some app on their phone and become an energy seller to passing motorists.
Same as people sell you a bucket of petrol in africa or south america but a slight bit safer.

[techguyone]

Digga said:

Interesting thoughts on here, regarding EV charging infrastruture.

I can see a number or sectors to the whole picture.

• The 7kw in parking spaces in cities, towns and villages for those commuting in and out - be that to shop, have a coffee or meal, or a short meeting (if we're allowed!) - and staying for up to a couple of hours maximum.

• Faster chargers in places that used to have rural petrol stations which became unviable due to low volumes, but ideal for community service of EV.s

• faster chargers on motorways and busier A and B roads, but as others say, these must be in conjunction with facilities sufficient to 'justify' a longer than normal "splash and dash" motorway petrol/diesel stop.

I don't know about you, but all round here the rural (and indy town) petrol stations are long gone, either 'hand wash' car washes or housing now.

[ColdoRS]

Digga said:

Interesting thoughts on here, regarding EV charging infrastruture.

I can see a number or sectors to the whole picture.

• The 7kw in parking spaces in cities, towns and villages for those commuting in and out - be that to shop, have a coffee or meal, or a short meeting (if we're allowed!) - and staying for up to a couple of hours maximum.

• Faster chargers in places that used to have rural petrol stations which became unviable due to low volumes, but ideal for community service of EV.s

• faster chargers on motorways and busier A and B roads, but as others say, these must be in conjunction with facilities sufficient to 'justify' a longer than normal "splash and dash" motorway petrol/diesel stop.

I agree with this - public 7kW chargers are fairly useless in many situations, imo (I’ve never used one in 6000 EV miles). I can see the benefit of them in a shopping centre multi storey, or at a hotel. A village near me has x2, there is a 50p connection fee then 45p/kWh afterwards... I can only assume they are intended for the residents to use if they’re unable to fit a home charger but this seems to against charging etiquette - leaving your car on a public charger for 8 hours.

fundoreen said:

At some stage every household will get some app on their phone and become an energy seller to passing motorists.
Same as people sell you a bucket of petrol in africa or south america but a slight bit safer.

Already exists! - https://bookmycharge.com/find-a-charger

[purplepolarbear]

Digga said:

Interesting thoughts on here, regarding EV charging infrastruture.

I can see a number or sectors to the whole picture.

• The 7kw in parking spaces in cities, towns and villages for those commuting in and out - be that to shop, have a coffee or meal, or a short meeting (if we're allowed!) - and staying for up to a couple of hours maximum.

• Faster chargers in places that used to have rural petrol stations which became unviable due to low volumes, but ideal for community service of EV.s

• faster chargers on motorways and busier A and B roads, but as others say, these must be in conjunction with facilities sufficient to 'justify' a longer than normal "splash and dash" motorway petrol/diesel stop.

What about faster chargers in supermarkets - people who drive 100-200 miles per week but can't charge at home could then get a full charge while they do their weekly shopping?

[CoolHands]

I think it’s pretty obvious the government should have mandated a standard at the beginning that all chargers should adhere to. To allow tesla to have different from others is ridiculous.

[FiF]

Tbh was impressed with the recent Harry's Garage video where he took a Taycan out to try one of the Instavolt chargers. How they should work.

[sjg]

Instavolt are great. A very similar 8-bay to the one at Banbury is being built just off J27 of the M6 and they seem to have been acquiring lots of similar sites. They've also just announced a deal with KFC to do rapid charging at all their drive-thru sites as well as the McDonalds deal earlier in the year.

[NMNeil]

CoolHands said:

I think it’s pretty obvious the government should have mandated a standard at the beginning that all chargers should adhere to. To allow tesla to have different from others is ridiculous.

Tesla resolved that issue 3 years ago.
https://electrek.co/2017/10/16/tesla-new-dual-char...

[Biggy Stardust]

purplepolarbear said:

What about faster chargers in supermarkets - people who drive 100-200 miles per week but can't charge at home could then get a full charge while they do their weekly shopping?

Who pays the massive installation costs?

[poo at Paul's]

Biggy Stardust said:

Who pays the massive installation costs?

Everyone else but the EV user!

[Rick101]

sjg said:

Instavolt are great. A very similar 8-bay to the one at Banbury is being built just off J27 of the M6 and they seem to have been acquiring lots of similar sites. They've also just announced a deal with KFC to do rapid charging at all their drive-thru sites as well as the McDonalds deal earlier in the year.

What would be nice if is they could securely store payment details within the car.
Soley access to the flap and 'plugging in' giving the authorisation.

Some security issues but I'm sure they could be overcome.

[Greg_D]

poo at Paul's said:

Biggy Stardust said:

Who pays the massive installation costs?

Everyone else but the EV user!

by EV user, you mean 'a significant portion of their customer base within 5 years' - It's called infrastructure investment FFS, stop being so chippy.

your comments make as much sense as me moaning about the construction/maintenance of bus stops because i don't use them...

[poo at Paul's]

sjg said:

Instavolt are great. A very similar 8-bay to the one at Banbury is being built just off J27 of the M6 and they seem to have been acquiring lots of similar sites. They've also just announced a deal with KFC to do rapid charging at all their drive-thru sites as well as the McDonalds deal earlier in the year.

Aren't they working about at about 12p per mile though for a typical electric car, ie about 3miles per KWH, 35p per KWH charge.
Decent diesel rep mobile is only about 14p per mile..... Factor in the need to stop and buying a coffee while you wait and i reckon it is near the same pence per mile!