Who Will replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader
Discussion
JustALooseScrew said:
FiF said:
It's a long interview of >1hour from Trigger Nometry but well worth the effort. Why Labour lost the election and suggesting that basically ideas have left the building it having developed far too quickly into a 'who's the new leader' debate yet they don't even have the thinkers to get themselves out of the mess.
Early on an amusing anecdote about the different reactions to the presentation of an academic paper firstly to Ed Miliband's crew and later the same day to Lynton Crosby. Also covers other areas away from just the UK picture.
https://youtu.be/3kf1YKeq7lA
A seasonal gift to NP&E for when you're flagging after too much turkey. Best Wishes to All, even slasher whoever he is now.
Really found that interesting, thanks for posting. Early on an amusing anecdote about the different reactions to the presentation of an academic paper firstly to Ed Miliband's crew and later the same day to Lynton Crosby. Also covers other areas away from just the UK picture.
https://youtu.be/3kf1YKeq7lA
A seasonal gift to NP&E for when you're flagging after too much turkey. Best Wishes to All, even slasher whoever he is now.
As you say the anecdote about the academic presentation just tells us all we needed to know and have since learned.
The Sweet/Labour said:
Does anyone know the way, did we hear someone say
(We just haven't got a clue what to do)
(We just haven't got a clue what to do)
He really brings out the perspective in the argument that's been part of the discussion on here since 2014. Namely how the section of society which has been labelled "the left behind" have been treated by the Left, Labour and many on here as it simply being an issue of them being economically left behind, and indeed there have been some shameful comments on PH. Yet the real division has been they've felt left behind on the Left's grabbing of cultural identity and certain social values, with anyone who doesn't hold the same views being instantly dismissed as racist, xenophobic or just plain thick, with the argument rapidly being turned to accusations of eg racism as a shut down to any argument. Again seen on here too much.
It highlights the problem the Left will have in really shifting their views and stance to recapture those who have been alienated, and they're going completely the wrong way about it. Which is actually bad news for the consolidation of a credible opposition.
Certainly a lesson for across the Atlantic, will the Democrats be as receptive to the realignment message as Ed Milliband was, i.e. not at all.
FiF said:
Glad someone found it interesting.
He really brings out the perspective in the argument that's been part of the discussion on here since 2014. Namely how the section of society which has been labelled "the left behind" have been treated by the Left, Labour and many on here as it simply being an issue of them being economically left behind, and indeed there have been some shameful comments on PH. Yet the real division has been they've felt left behind on the Left's grabbing of cultural identity and certain social values, with anyone who doesn't hold the same views being instantly dismissed as racist, xenophobic or just plain thick, with the argument rapidly being turned to accusations of eg racism as a shut down to any argument. Again seen on here too much.
It highlights the problem the Left will have in really shifting their views and stance to recapture those who have been alienated, and they're going completely the wrong way about it. Which is actually bad news for the consolidation of a credible opposition.
Certainly a lesson for across the Atlantic, will the Democrats be as receptive to the realignment message as Ed Milliband was, i.e. not at all.
He's a smart cookie that's for sure and I guess having a PhD in Political Science really does actually count for some thing. Who'd have thunk it?He really brings out the perspective in the argument that's been part of the discussion on here since 2014. Namely how the section of society which has been labelled "the left behind" have been treated by the Left, Labour and many on here as it simply being an issue of them being economically left behind, and indeed there have been some shameful comments on PH. Yet the real division has been they've felt left behind on the Left's grabbing of cultural identity and certain social values, with anyone who doesn't hold the same views being instantly dismissed as racist, xenophobic or just plain thick, with the argument rapidly being turned to accusations of eg racism as a shut down to any argument. Again seen on here too much.
It highlights the problem the Left will have in really shifting their views and stance to recapture those who have been alienated, and they're going completely the wrong way about it. Which is actually bad news for the consolidation of a credible opposition.
Certainly a lesson for across the Atlantic, will the Democrats be as receptive to the realignment message as Ed Milliband was, i.e. not at all.
His thoughts on the EU north/south states were very interesting, and his thoughts that the issue with climate change being mainly political rings true with me.
(Thanks for the heads up I'll be watching and looking out for more of his work).
I forgot to add that his points about cultural and economical divides really rang true.
Why do I feel almost embarrassed (or scared) to be English? I had a chat with my son the other day about the fact I'd really like to put up an English flag but the locals (Irish) would only see offence. And thus we have to try and moderate our behaviour.
He's in Scotland for xmas, I told him if there's any bother just tell them your Dad thinks Jerry Saddowitz and Frankie Boyle are the best comedians ever and that Train Spotting was the best movie ever.
(It's not the best movie ever - that's The Brothers Grim - but he hasn't been to Hull or Grimsby yet)
(Edit for typo)
Why do I feel almost embarrassed (or scared) to be English? I had a chat with my son the other day about the fact I'd really like to put up an English flag but the locals (Irish) would only see offence. And thus we have to try and moderate our behaviour.
He's in Scotland for xmas, I told him if there's any bother just tell them your Dad thinks Jerry Saddowitz and Frankie Boyle are the best comedians ever and that Train Spotting was the best movie ever.
(It's not the best movie ever - that's The Brothers Grim - but he hasn't been to Hull or Grimsby yet)
(Edit for typo)
Edited by JustALooseScrew on Tuesday 24th December 15:00
JustALooseScrew said:
I forgot to add that his points about cultural and economical divides really rang true.
Why do I feel almost embarrassed (or scared) to be English? I had a chat with my son the other day about the fact I'd really like to put up an English flag but the locals (Irish) would only see offence. And thus we have to try and moderate our behaviour.
He's in Scotland for xmas, I told him if there's any bother just tell them your Dad thinks Jerry Saddowitz and Frankie Boyle are the best comedians ever and that Train Spotting was the best movie ever.
(It's not the best movie ever - that's The Brothers Grim - but he hasn't been to Hull or Grimsby yet)
(Edit for typo)
I thought trainspotting was pretty awful!!Why do I feel almost embarrassed (or scared) to be English? I had a chat with my son the other day about the fact I'd really like to put up an English flag but the locals (Irish) would only see offence. And thus we have to try and moderate our behaviour.
He's in Scotland for xmas, I told him if there's any bother just tell them your Dad thinks Jerry Saddowitz and Frankie Boyle are the best comedians ever and that Train Spotting was the best movie ever.
(It's not the best movie ever - that's The Brothers Grim - but he hasn't been to Hull or Grimsby yet)
(Edit for typo)
Edited by JustALooseScrew on Tuesday 24th December 15:00
biggbn said:
I thought trainspotting was pretty awful!!
What are your thoughts on The Brothers Grim(sby)? I like dirty dark fiction stories with twists and turns and pure grit about how life really is for some people. When Trainspotting (the movie) came out I was only half way through the book but not wanting to miss out on a Danny Boyle special, and having read quite a few of Irvine Walsh's stories previously, I had to go see the movie.
I went to see it three times in one week. I don't think I've even seen Star Wars that many times. It's an utter blinder of a film (not Star Wars).
I watched it again with my 13yr old lad a few months ago with an instruction that this is not just a movie, it is true, and if I ever catch or suspect you being involved in any of this then you'll find life gets remarkably uncomfortable very rapidly.
(Sorry for the OT post).
FiF said:
JustALooseScrew said:
FiF said:
It's a long interview of >1hour from Trigger Nometry but well worth the effort. Why Labour lost the election and suggesting that basically ideas have left the building it having developed far too quickly into a 'who's the new leader' debate yet they don't even have the thinkers to get themselves out of the mess.
Early on an amusing anecdote about the different reactions to the presentation of an academic paper firstly to Ed Miliband's crew and later the same day to Lynton Crosby. Also covers other areas away from just the UK picture.
https://youtu.be/3kf1YKeq7lA
A seasonal gift to NP&E for when you're flagging after too much turkey. Best Wishes to All, even slasher whoever he is now.
Really found that interesting, thanks for posting. Early on an amusing anecdote about the different reactions to the presentation of an academic paper firstly to Ed Miliband's crew and later the same day to Lynton Crosby. Also covers other areas away from just the UK picture.
https://youtu.be/3kf1YKeq7lA
A seasonal gift to NP&E for when you're flagging after too much turkey. Best Wishes to All, even slasher whoever he is now.
As you say the anecdote about the academic presentation just tells us all we needed to know and have since learned.
The Sweet/Labour said:
Does anyone know the way, did we hear someone say
(We just haven't got a clue what to do)
(We just haven't got a clue what to do)
He really brings out the perspective in the argument that's been part of the discussion on here since 2014. Namely how the section of society which has been labelled "the left behind" have been treated by the Left, Labour and many on here as it simply being an issue of them being economically left behind, and indeed there have been some shameful comments on PH. Yet the real division has been they've felt left behind on the Left's grabbing of cultural identity and certain social values, with anyone who doesn't hold the same views being instantly dismissed as racist, xenophobic or just plain thick, with the argument rapidly being turned to accusations of eg racism as a shut down to any argument. Again seen on here too much.
It highlights the problem the Left will have in really shifting their views and stance to recapture those who have been alienated, and they're going completely the wrong way about it. Which is actually bad news for the consolidation of a credible opposition.
Certainly a lesson for across the Atlantic, will the Democrats be as receptive to the realignment message as Ed Milliband was, i.e. not at all.
crankedup said:
‘Cathy come home’ from Ken Loach in 1966. And he is still making very powerful films.
Having just watched FiF's posthttps://youtu.be/3kf1YKeq7lA
I'll watch that.
However I think Labour need a Carpet Harpic solution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOlk_3kyY9g
Back later - so much opinion to look at.
FiF said:
It's a long interview of >1hour from Trigger Nometry but well worth the effort. Why Labour lost the election and suggesting that basically ideas have left the building it having developed far too quickly into a 'who's the new leader' debate yet they don't even have the thinkers to get themselves out of the mess.
Early on an amusing anecdote about the different reactions to the presentation of an academic paper firstly to Ed Miliband's crew and later the same day to Lynton Crosby. Also covers other areas away from just the UK picture.
https://youtu.be/3kf1YKeq7lA
A seasonal gift to NP&E for when you're flagging after too much turkey. Best Wishes to All, even slasher whoever he is now.
Very interesting - thank you.Early on an amusing anecdote about the different reactions to the presentation of an academic paper firstly to Ed Miliband's crew and later the same day to Lynton Crosby. Also covers other areas away from just the UK picture.
https://youtu.be/3kf1YKeq7lA
A seasonal gift to NP&E for when you're flagging after too much turkey. Best Wishes to All, even slasher whoever he is now.
JustALooseScrew said:
biggbn said:
I thought trainspotting was pretty awful!!
What are your thoughts on The Brothers Grim(sby)? I like dirty dark fiction stories with twists and turns and pure grit about how life really is for some people. When Trainspotting (the movie) came out I was only half way through the book but not wanting to miss out on a Danny Boyle special, and having read quite a few of Irvine Walsh's stories previously, I had to go see the movie.
I went to see it three times in one week. I don't think I've even seen Star Wars that many times. It's an utter blinder of a film (not Star Wars).
I watched it again with my 13yr old lad a few months ago with an instruction that this is not just a movie, it is true, and if I ever catch or suspect you being involved in any of this then you'll find life gets remarkably uncomfortable very rapidly.
(Sorry for the OT post).
(I actually preferred the second trainspotting, but am a lone voice on that one!!)
Small Faces was a good film about Glasgow gang culture, and Angels Share an unexpectedly upbeat Ken loach effort.
FiF said:
It's a long interview of >1hour from Trigger Nometry but well worth the effort. Why Labour lost the election and suggesting that basically ideas have left the building it having developed far too quickly into a 'who's the new leader' debate yet they don't even have the thinkers to get themselves out of the mess.
Early on an amusing anecdote about the different reactions to the presentation of an academic paper firstly to Ed Miliband's crew and later the same day to Lynton Crosby. Also covers other areas away from just the UK picture.
https://youtu.be/3kf1YKeq7lA
A seasonal gift to NP&E for when you're flagging after too much turkey. Best Wishes to All, even slasher whoever he is now.
Thanks for posting that. I have no idea what his own political views are but he seems to state the complete obvious with everything he says. A ten minute chat with your average 40 year old working man in the north of England would tell you that immigration concerns and national identity are more important than free broadband. It’s really not rocket science. Early on an amusing anecdote about the different reactions to the presentation of an academic paper firstly to Ed Miliband's crew and later the same day to Lynton Crosby. Also covers other areas away from just the UK picture.
https://youtu.be/3kf1YKeq7lA
A seasonal gift to NP&E for when you're flagging after too much turkey. Best Wishes to All, even slasher whoever he is now.
biggbn said:
I have not seen it. Don't get me wrong, trainspotting was in and of its time and as such conveyed a pretty dire, strong message, but a relevant one, and one that has similar relevance today. I thought shallow grave was a far better film by the same director?
(I actually preferred the second trainspotting, but am a lone voice on that one!!)
Small Faces was a good film about Glasgow gang culture, and Angels Share an unexpectedly upbeat Ken loach effort.
100% agree, but we should probably leave this thread on topic now. (I actually preferred the second trainspotting, but am a lone voice on that one!!)
Small Faces was a good film about Glasgow gang culture, and Angels Share an unexpectedly upbeat Ken loach effort.
Crumpet said:
Thanks for posting that. I have no idea what his own political views are but he seems to state the complete obvious with everything he says. A ten minute chat with your average 40 year old working man in the north of England would tell you that immigration concerns and national identity are more important than free broadband. It’s really not rocket science.
I find myself thinking exactly this, but the 'national identity' plug seems to have been pulled. It's practically illegal now to think that way.Farage has made it so toxic to be English or British, and he hasn't even touched the surface yet but he is so right. What the F is wrong with being English?
I want to be British, I'm so lucky to have been born in England but I'm torn, really torn, why are people trying to tell us that we're the lowest of the low, Tory scum, only out for themselves?
It's nonsense.
If Boris & Cummins can play this one right then there has to be a way forward that might appeal to a majority of the minority.
A way forward that actually works.
The s
te that came out of Labour (and is still coming out of them) is never going to work. I'm not convinced just yet that the Conservatives have quite nailed it, but I live in hope (actually I don't live in hope - is there even a pklace called 'Hope')Crumpet said:
Thanks for posting that. I have no idea what his own political views are but he seems to state the complete obvious with everything he says. A ten minute chat with your average 40 year old working man in the north of England would tell you that immigration concerns and national identity are more important than free broadband. It’s really not rocket science.
The truth is always obvious, in hindsight.Who would have said the same three weeks ago?
Gogoplata said:
FiF said:
JustALooseScrew said:
FiF said:
It's a long interview of >1hour from Trigger Nometry but well worth the effort. Why Labour lost the election and suggesting that basically ideas have left the building it having developed far too quickly into a 'who's the new leader' debate yet they don't even have the thinkers to get themselves out of the mess.
Early on an amusing anecdote about the different reactions to the presentation of an academic paper firstly to Ed Miliband's crew and later the same day to Lynton Crosby. Also covers other areas away from just the UK picture.
https://youtu.be/3kf1YKeq7lA
A seasonal gift to NP&E for when you're flagging after too much turkey. Best Wishes to All, even slasher whoever he is now.
Really found that interesting, thanks for posting. Early on an amusing anecdote about the different reactions to the presentation of an academic paper firstly to Ed Miliband's crew and later the same day to Lynton Crosby. Also covers other areas away from just the UK picture.
https://youtu.be/3kf1YKeq7lA
A seasonal gift to NP&E for when you're flagging after too much turkey. Best Wishes to All, even slasher whoever he is now.
As you say the anecdote about the academic presentation just tells us all we needed to know and have since learned.
The Sweet/Labour said:
Does anyone know the way, did we hear someone say
(We just haven't got a clue what to do)
(We just haven't got a clue what to do)
He really brings out the perspective in the argument that's been part of the discussion on here since 2014. Namely how the section of society which has been labelled "the left behind" have been treated by the Left, Labour and many on here as it simply being an issue of them being economically left behind, and indeed there have been some shameful comments on PH. Yet the real division has been they've felt left behind on the Left's grabbing of cultural identity and certain social values, with anyone who doesn't hold the same views being instantly dismissed as racist, xenophobic or just plain thick, with the argument rapidly being turned to accusations of eg racism as a shut down to any argument. Again seen on here too much.
It highlights the problem the Left will have in really shifting their views and stance to recapture those who have been alienated, and they're going completely the wrong way about it. Which is actually bad news for the consolidation of a credible opposition.
Certainly a lesson for across the Atlantic, will the Democrats be as receptive to the realignment message as Ed Milliband was, i.e. not at all.
My favourite section, “conservatives are intrinsically aspirational and optimistic and the Labour Party is really none of those things”. Says it all really
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