Your voting intentions

[LimaDelta]

Dagnir said:

We use to have a national spirit, we used to be proud of being British. We used to want to stick together to protect our country and preserve our wonderful way of life.

Most of that is simply gone. Our societal cohesion has been obliterated. Our trust in our fellow citizens is utterly eroded. So many have been convinced that we're a terrible country with an immoral past.

It has been heartbreaking to watch unfold. To watch so many people willingly destroy what has made us great, whilst preaching that they're the ones doing the right thing, is beyond maddening and truly detestable.
.

Indeed. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be an option to remedy that via the ballot box.

[Pan Pan Pan]

CivicDuties said:

Newc said:

I won't vote Conservative again until they actually turn up at the polls as a Conservative party rather than wannabe Lib Dems.

That's right, because the LibDems, had they been in government, would have:

1 - Left the EU, SM and CU, and refused to reconsider the decision
2 - Attempted to implement the Rwanda policy
3 - Blocked migrant care workers from bringing children and family with them
4 - Prorogued Parliament unlawfully and lied to the Queen about it
5 - Implemented Liz Truss's lunatic right wing economic policies

I could go on. Yeah, sure the current Conservatives are just center left LibDems in disguise...

The liberal party must stop using the word democrats in their title. They showed in 2016 that when a democratic vote does not go the way `they' wanted it to they are quite happy to ignore or try overturn it.
The funny bit is peopke thinking that labour are going to be better than the shambolic tories. They never have been so far.

[Evanivitch]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Not at all. My original comment included Lammy as well. It is not misogynistic to describe Angela Rayner as unintelligent. She is as thick as a plank. She left school with more children than qualifications. That tells you all you need to know.

And there continues the misogynistic drivel. It's incredible how threatened the male ego can be, eh?

[CivicDuties]

Pan Pan Pan said:

CivicDuties said:

Newc said:

I won't vote Conservative again until they actually turn up at the polls as a Conservative party rather than wannabe Lib Dems.

That's right, because the LibDems, had they been in government, would have:

1 - Left the EU, SM and CU, and refused to reconsider the decision
2 - Attempted to implement the Rwanda policy
3 - Blocked migrant care workers from bringing children and family with them
4 - Prorogued Parliament unlawfully and lied to the Queen about it
5 - Implemented Liz Truss's lunatic right wing economic policies

I could go on. Yeah, sure the current Conservatives are just center left LibDems in disguise...

The liberal party must stop using the word democrats in their title. They showed in 2016 that when a democratic vote does not go the way `they' wanted it to they are quite happy to ignore or try overturn it.
The funny bit is peopke thinking that labour are going to be better than the shambolic tories. They never have been so far.

Campaigning for and voting for things you don't like being changed to things you do like is the literal definition of democracy.

Labour 1997-2010 were categorically better than the Tories 2015-2024 by literally any measure.

Other than that, Gold Star for effort.

[President Merkin]

LimaDelta said:

Dagnir said:

We use to have a national spirit, we used to be proud of being British. We used to want to stick together to protect our country and preserve our wonderful way of life.

Most of that is simply gone. Our societal cohesion has been obliterated. Our trust in our fellow citizens is utterly eroded. So many have been convinced that we're a terrible country with an immoral past.

It has been heartbreaking to watch unfold. To watch so many people willingly destroy what has made us great, whilst preaching that they're the ones doing the right thing, is beyond maddening and truly detestable.
.

Indeed. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be an option to remedy that via the ballot box.

You reckon? You could try voting for a party other than the one that has gleefully sought to divide society at every opportunity if societal cohesion is your big worry.

Never read such a flowering pile of sepia tinted garbage in all my life. Hey Dagnir, we used to have Rickets, Diptheria & child chimney sweeps too, you miss the good old days eh?

[chrispmartha]

President Merkin said:

LimaDelta said:

Dagnir said:

We use to have a national spirit, we used to be proud of being British. We used to want to stick together to protect our country and preserve our wonderful way of life.

Most of that is simply gone. Our societal cohesion has been obliterated. Our trust in our fellow citizens is utterly eroded. So many have been convinced that we're a terrible country with an immoral past.

It has been heartbreaking to watch unfold. To watch so many people willingly destroy what has made us great, whilst preaching that they're the ones doing the right thing, is beyond maddening and truly detestable.
.

Indeed. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be an option to remedy that via the ballot box.

You reckon? You could try voting for a party other than the one that has gleefully sought to divide society at every opportunity if societal cohesion is your big worry.

Never read such a flowering pile of sepia tinted garbage in all my life. Hey Dagnir, we used to have Rickets, Diptheria & child chimney sweeps too, you miss the good old days eh?

Rampant homophobia, misogyny and racism too, the good old days…

[jshell]

Dagnir said:

768 said:

Timothy Bucktu said:

jshell said:

Starmer says he'd choose Davos and WEF over Westminster. Seems a bit strange to me...


https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1793544149821...

And there are people who think voting makes a difference, or who they vote for makes any difference...it doesn't of course, but I guess having an optimistic outlook is a good thing.

That was a shocker of an answer.

And yet the globalist snowball gathers pace as it heads towards us.....


Truly baffling how some people support this.

Many, many people either don't see it or think it's some mad conspiracy theory. I think that our Govt's across the Western world no longer work for the 'people', but now work for themselves as part of a cabal who look down on 'us'.

Vot Labour for 'change'!
Vote Tory for 'better'!
Vote LibDem for something.
Vote Reform as a protest... Nothing will change, the Uniparty will win and follow their instructions whilst enriching themselves.


I think we are approaching a new version of the Feudal system. Not exactly as depicted here, but close enough.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

boyse7en said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Evanivitch said:

Ah the misogynistic views of PH rise again.

Not at all. My original comment included Lammy as well. It is not misogynistic to describe Angela Rayner as unintelligent. She is as thick as a plank. She left school with more children than qualifications. That tells you all you need to know.

Good, because what we really don't need is yet more oxbridge-educated MPs worried about how to ensure that get a nice directorship or two after their political career is over.
Our MPs are supposed to represent the electorate, and that means we need a mix of working, middle and upper classes, the privately and publicly educated, the well-to-do and the single mums, businessmen and factory workers. A "meritocratic" House of Commons, where only those who have enjoyed the benefits of a pricey Eton and Oxford education is what got us into the mess we are in.

Absolutely agree. However, they need a certain level of intelligence. Being in Parliament simply for being a single parent at 16 isn't good enough.

[SWoll]

CivicDuties said:

Campaigning for and voting for things you don't like being changed to things you do like is the literal definition of democracy.

Labour 1997-2010 were categorically better than the Tories 2015-2024 by literally any measure.

Other than that, Gold Star for effort.

Demanding another vote on a subject that was only voted on 5 minutes earlier due to not liking the outcome isn't though?

And comparing previous governments to current is entirely pointless. Labour got out of power at the very point at which the ramifications of the 2008 global financial crash started to hit home. We'll see how they manage the longer term financial ramifications of a Covid policy that they supported and often suggested wasn't going far enough.

[Rocket.]

chrispmartha said:

President Merkin said:

LimaDelta said:

Dagnir said:

We use to have a national spirit, we used to be proud of being British. We used to want to stick together to protect our country and preserve our wonderful way of life.

Most of that is simply gone. Our societal cohesion has been obliterated. Our trust in our fellow citizens is utterly eroded. So many have been convinced that we're a terrible country with an immoral past.

It has been heartbreaking to watch unfold. To watch so many people willingly destroy what has made us great, whilst preaching that they're the ones doing the right thing, is beyond maddening and truly detestable.
.

Indeed. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be an option to remedy that via the ballot box.

You reckon? You could try voting for a party other than the one that has gleefully sought to divide society at every opportunity if societal cohesion is your big worry.

Never read such a flowering pile of sepia tinted garbage in all my life. Hey Dagnir, we used to have Rickets, Diptheria & child chimney sweeps too, you miss the good old days eh?

Rampant homophobia, misogyny and racism too, the good old days…

Here come the wokerati, never any middle ground with them, any looking back on better times must make you a far right racist! So predictable - they will be telling you diversity is our strength next, let the gaslighting commence.

[CivicDuties]

SWoll said:

CivicDuties said:

Campaigning for and voting for things you don't like being changed to things you do like is the literal definition of democracy.

Labour 1997-2010 were categorically better than the Tories 2015-2024 by literally any measure.

Other than that, Gold Star for effort.

Demanding another vote on a subject that was only voted on 5 minutes earlier due to not liking the outcome isn't though?

And comparing previous governments to current is entirely pointless. Labour got out of power at the very point at which the ramifications of the 2008 global financial crash started to hit home. We'll see how they manage the longer term financial ramifications of a Covid policy that they supported and often suggested wasn't going far enough.

I'm willing to bet that if a government increased the top rate of income tax to 98% you'd be screaming for it to be changed immediately. As would be your right.

There's no statute of limitations on democracy. Any suggestion there should be is drifting into the arena of Fascism.

[President Merkin]

Rocket. said:

Here come the wokerati, never any middle ground with them, any looking back on better times must make you a far right racist! So predictable - they will be telling you diversity is our strength next, let the gaslighting commence.

What better times are those then?

[JagLover]

Rocket. said:

Here come the wokerati, never any middle ground with them, any looking back on better times must make you a far right racist! So predictable - they will be telling you diversity is our strength next, let the gaslighting commence.

They never seem to comprehend that people are a function of their time. So it can be true that the likes of FDR didn't have modern views on race, gender equality and sexuality, while still at the same time being far better political leaders than the current lot.

[chrispmartha]

Rocket. said:

chrispmartha said:

President Merkin said:

LimaDelta said:

Dagnir said:

We use to have a national spirit, we used to be proud of being British. We used to want to stick together to protect our country and preserve our wonderful way of life.

Most of that is simply gone. Our societal cohesion has been obliterated. Our trust in our fellow citizens is utterly eroded. So many have been convinced that we're a terrible country with an immoral past.

It has been heartbreaking to watch unfold. To watch so many people willingly destroy what has made us great, whilst preaching that they're the ones doing the right thing, is beyond maddening and truly detestable.
.

Indeed. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be an option to remedy that via the ballot box.

You reckon? You could try voting for a party other than the one that has gleefully sought to divide society at every opportunity if societal cohesion is your big worry.

Never read such a flowering pile of sepia tinted garbage in all my life. Hey Dagnir, we used to have Rickets, Diptheria & child chimney sweeps too, you miss the good old days eh?

Rampant homophobia, misogyny and racism too, the good old days…

Here come the wokerati, never any middle ground with them, any looking back on better times must make you a far right racist! So predictable - they will be telling you diversity is our strength next, let the gaslighting commence.

What time frame is your better times?

[chrispmartha]

JagLover said:

Rocket. said:

Here come the wokerati, never any middle ground with them, any looking back on better times must make you a far right racist! So predictable - they will be telling you diversity is our strength next, let the gaslighting commence.

They never seem to comprehend that people are a function of their time. So it can be true that the likes of FDR didn't have modern views on race, gender equality and sexuality, while still at the same time being far better political leaders than the current lot.

Who mentioned political leaders?

Not the poster the replies were to anyway.

[SWoll]

CivicDuties said:

I'm willing to bet that if a government increased the top rate of income tax to 98% you'd be screaming for it to be changed immediately. As would be your right.

There's no statute of limitations on democracy. Any suggestion there should be is drifting into the arena of Fascism.

Apples and oranges. You surely understand the difference between fiscal policy and a national referendum?

Demanding a topic get voted on again and again until you get the result you want isn't democracy. Putting a subject out to vote as with Brexit and then following the will of the electorate even if you don't agree with, is.

[Leicester Loyal]

Genuinely no idea, definitely not Cons, Labour/Reform (as a protest vote, if they stand), or I'll just not bother. My area the cons have a 24k majority, so doubt anything will change.

I'm away anyway so will have to vote by Proxy I believe, due to the Euros.

[Milkyway]

Well I've decided... It definitely won't be for the Tories or Labour.
( I do like an underdog).

[CivicDuties]

SWoll said:

CivicDuties said:

I'm willing to bet that if a government increased the top rate of income tax to 98% you'd be screaming for it to be changed immediately. As would be your right.

There's no statute of limitations on democracy. Any suggestion there should be is drifting into the arena of Fascism.

Apples and oranges. You surely understand the difference between fiscal policy and a national referendum?

Demanding a topic get voted on again and again until you get the result you want isn't democracy. Putting a subject out to vote as with Brexit and then following the will of the electorate even if you don't agree with, is.

We have general Elections every 4 or 5 years to allow people time to judge and change minds. The moment after a General Election takes place there's an official Opposition in place, and they are they to oppose and hold the elected government to account, from the outset, during its term. A referendum should be treated no differently, because everyone is entitled to express their view and campaign for anything they see fit at any time.

The 2016 referendum mandate has been carried out in its entirety despite widespread opposition during the process and plenty of evidence that the electorate has changed its mind, and there is no compulsion on anybody to "go along" with anything they disagree with at any time. Opposition is a cornerstone of democracy and is legitimate at any time. Your seeking to impose conditions which simply don't exist.

It is utterly perverse to shout "democracy, will of the people" when you win, and then shout "no, you may not have more democracy" when you find people disagree with the result.

The situation we've experienced since 2016 is an excellent illustration of why plebiscites on single subjects are an enormously bad idea, and governance should be performed through Parliament and our system of representative democracy. I don't want another referendum on the EU, I want to elect a government which will return us to the EU on a manifesto promise. But people and parties are entitled to campaign for another one at any time if they see fit, as I said there are no statues of limitation on democracy.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

Not really. It was an unexpected result that then got a lot of people shouting about how bad it was. That gained traction because it was given publicity.

It is how you influence the population. Smoking was widely accepted once. Now because of publicity it is largely socially unacceptable.