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Sam All

3,101 posts

103 months

Sunday 8th May 2016
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Countdown said:
Esseesse said:
Gandahar said:
Looking forward to the Clinton and Trump Superbowl . Two tough birds. This could be the fight of the Century. We will not be bored.
Trump attacks Clintons, calls Hillary an enabler.
That sums up Trump in a nutshell. He boasts of having had numerous affairs, is currently on his 3rd marriage, and yet Bill's infidelity is Hilary's fault.

He makes dog faeces look good.
Really? How did Hillary deal with Bill's women?

Countdown

40,195 posts

198 months

Sunday 8th May 2016
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Sam All said:
Countdown said:
Esseesse said:
Gandahar said:
Looking forward to the Clinton and Trump Superbowl . Two tough birds. This could be the fight of the Century. We will not be bored.
Trump attacks Clintons, calls Hillary an enabler.
That sums up Trump in a nutshell. He boasts of having had numerous affairs, is currently on his 3rd marriage, and yet Bill's infidelity is Hilary's fault.

He makes dog faeces look good.
Really? How did Hillary deal with Bill's women?

How was she supposed to? Moreover, WHY should she be expected to?

Personally I think it's a matter for Bill and Hillary, nobody else. However, for a multiple divorcee and self-confessed philanderer to Hilary for something her husband did is pathetic and just a tad hypocritical.

Sam All

3,101 posts

103 months

Sunday 8th May 2016
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Trump in charge of the US and BoJo in the UK - stir things up. And the world will not end. smile

Esseesse

8,969 posts

210 months

Sunday 8th May 2016
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Countdown said:
Esseesse said:
Gandahar said:
Looking forward to the Clinton and Trump Superbowl . Two tough birds. This could be the fight of the Century. We will not be bored.
Trump attacks Clintons, calls Hillary an enabler.
That sums up Trump in a nutshell. He boasts of having had numerous affairs, is currently on his 3rd marriage, and yet Bill's infidelity is Hilary's fault.

He makes dog faeces look good.
Bill Sex Accusers Back Up Trump Remarks on Hillary The ‘Enabler’

Countdown

40,195 posts

198 months

Sunday 8th May 2016
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Trump said:
“I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.
Well, that's not weird at all.....

hurl

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

136 months

Sunday 8th May 2016
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Esseesse said:
Like I said, I am not sure there could be a better/easier opponent for this huckster to face. This is going to be quite a lot of fun to watch.

Countdown

40,195 posts

198 months

Sunday 8th May 2016
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Esseesse said:
Did she force them to sleep with Bill?



turbobloke

104,368 posts

262 months

Sunday 8th May 2016
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Countdown said:
Esseesse said:
Did she force them to sleep with Bill?
That's not the issue; given the accounts from "Bill's Babes" are accurate - and with their past affiliations it's a struggle to see what basis they have for making it all up and having matching accounts as well - she went after them in a manner described as akin to terrorism in an attempt to destroy their lives.

MadmanO/T People

899 posts

207 months

Sunday 8th May 2016
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Esseesse said:
Consider the source here. Breitbart is a notoriously ultra right wing propaganda outlet.

ANYTHING they print is automatically suspect.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

210 months

Sunday 8th May 2016
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MadmanO/T People said:
Esseesse said:
Consider the source here. Breitbart is a notoriously ultra right wing propaganda outlet.

ANYTHING they print is automatically suspect.
Maybe true, but they're quoting the women in question.

unrepentant

21,292 posts

258 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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Breitbart, National Inquirer, Sunday Sport, Donald Trump's Twitter feed.

Basically all as credible as each other but stupid people will be taken in.

turbobloke

104,368 posts

262 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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unrepentant said:
Breitbart, National Inquirer, Sunday Sport, Donald Trump's Twitter feed.

Basically all as credible as each other but stupid people will be taken in.
Not managed to figure out the difference between primary and secondary sources? Oh dear. Never mind.

The link several people commented on had primary source material from women "terrorized" by Billary, it wasn't editorial content and had nothing to do with the secondary source.

Still, at least by indulging in 'shooting the messenger' as biased and unworthy of attention, you'll understand why some people take frequent one-sided ramblings with a large pinch of salt. Try figuring out which source that relates to.

Sam All

3,101 posts

103 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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unrepentant said:
Breitbart, National Inquirer, Sunday Sport, Donald Trump's Twitter feed.

Basically all as credible as each other but stupid people will be taken in.
It is obvious that you have the hots for Hillary - in particular what will she bring to the White House (took a lot away last time she left it) and the one policy that has turned you against Trump.

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

185 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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turbobloke said:
Countdown said:
Esseesse said:
Did she force them to sleep with Bill?
That's not the issue; given the accounts from "Bill's Babes" are accurate - and with their past affiliations it's a struggle to see what basis they have for making it all up and having matching accounts as well - she went after them in a manner described as akin to terrorism in an attempt to destroy their lives.
Can you point to anything that remotely looks like evidence? I can't see it, but it could be I've missed the bit where Hillary Clinton did something wrong. Specifically, I'd like to see the evidence on the "akin to terrorism" activities.

And what possible reason could they have? Hmm, I wonder - could there be money in this, just maybe?

turbobloke

104,368 posts

262 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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longblackcoat said:
turbobloke said:
Countdown said:
Esseesse said:
Did she force them to sleep with Bill?
That's not the issue; given the accounts from "Bill's Babes" are accurate - and with their past affiliations it's a struggle to see what basis they have for making it all up and having matching accounts as well - she went after them in a manner described as akin to terrorism in an attempt to destroy their lives.
Can you point to anything that remotely looks like evidence? I can't see it, but it could be I've missed the bit where Hillary Clinton did something wrong. Specifically, I'd like to see the evidence on the "akin to terrorism" activities.
Ask the witnesses who gave the witness testimony at the link. Witness testimony from the victim side is evidence all the same. You want more details, as above you can ask.

longblackcoat said:
And what possible reason could they have? Hmm, I wonder - could there be money in this, just maybe?
Yes, but there was an additional element, the commonality in the accounts.

Money is always on the scene, there will more moolah for Billary if she keeps it all nice and tight. You know what I'm referring to of course smile

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

185 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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turbobloke said:
longblackcoat said:
turbobloke said:
Countdown said:
Esseesse said:
Did she force them to sleep with Bill?
That's not the issue; given the accounts from "Bill's Babes" are accurate - and with their past affiliations it's a struggle to see what basis they have for making it all up and having matching accounts as well - she went after them in a manner described as akin to terrorism in an attempt to destroy their lives.
Can you point to anything that remotely looks like evidence? I can't see it, but it could be I've missed the bit where Hillary Clinton did something wrong. Specifically, I'd like to see the evidence on the "akin to terrorism" activities.
Ask the witnesses who gave the witness testimony at the link.

longblackcoat said:
And what possible reason could they have? Hmm, I wonder - could there be money in this, just maybe?
Yes, but there was an additional element, the commonality in the accounts.

Money is always on the sccene, there will more moolah be for Billary if she keeps it all nice and tight. You know what I'm referring to of course smile
So unless I'm mistaken, the witness testimony is entirely contained within the interviews on the Breitbart radio show, correct? Feel free to point to the other bits - genuinely, there's every chance I've missed something here.

There's some degree on commonality, certainly, but there's commonality in the source, is there not? Perhaps the desire to present this in a particular way>

If I am right - and again, there may be something I'm not seeing - you'd surely not contend that these interviews follow anything close to a balanced agenda. I don't dispute that these people said what they said, more that there's every chance that they've been coached, or perhaps encouraged to all turn up to talk to the same person on the same radio show. After all, it's a living - they get paid for these sorts of appearances, and there's always a book to sell, an appearance fee on a reality show, and, of course, always the hope of a tasty out-of-court settlement.

Bill's a sleazebag, and I don't in any way condone his behaviour. What I have yet to see in anything remotely close to evidence that (a) Hillary was complicit in all of this (b) she "acted like a terrorist."

turbobloke

104,368 posts

262 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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longblackcoat said:
turbobloke said:
longblackcoat said:
turbobloke said:
Countdown said:
Esseesse said:
Did she force them to sleep with Bill?
That's not the issue; given the accounts from "Bill's Babes" are accurate - and with their past affiliations it's a struggle to see what basis they have for making it all up and having matching accounts as well - she went after them in a manner described as akin to terrorism in an attempt to destroy their lives.
Can you point to anything that remotely looks like evidence? I can't see it, but it could be I've missed the bit where Hillary Clinton did something wrong. Specifically, I'd like to see the evidence on the "akin to terrorism" activities.
Ask the witnesses who gave the witness testimony at the link.

longblackcoat said:
And what possible reason could they have? Hmm, I wonder - could there be money in this, just maybe?
Yes, but there was an additional element, the commonality in the accounts.

Money is always on the sccene, there will more moolah be for Billary if she keeps it all nice and tight. You know what I'm referring to of course smile
So unless I'm mistaken, the witness testimony is entirely contained within the interviews on the Breitbart radio show, correct? Feel free to point to the other bits - genuinely, there's every chance I've missed something here.
Yes, primary source=witnesses (victim side), the secondary source=Breitbart, which did not originate the actual base stories of the witness accounts, see below.

longblackcoat said:
There's some degree on commonality, certainly, but there's commonality in the source, is there not?
Which is irrelevant. There's commonality in Hansard as a secondary source but the speeches and replies are due to MPs.

longblackcoat said:
Perhaps the desire to present this in a particular way
What other way is there?

The only course of action as an alternative would be not to publish or play it down, as per what happens with the BBC and The Guardian regarding stories of a negative nature for Labour. I realise you weren't suggesting that non-publication of serious allegations would be a better idea, or that covering it up would be better.

longblackcoat said:
If I am right - and again, there may be something I'm not seeing - you'd surely not contend that these interviews follow anything close to a balanced agenda.
Several independent accounts were involved and though it's a case of CBA they may well be featured in other sources less vexing to the Left than the link.

longblackcoat said:
I don't dispute that these people said what they said, more that there's every chance that they've been coached, or perhaps encouraged to all turn up to talk to the same person on the same radio show. After all, it's a living - they get paid for these sorts of appearances, and there's always a book to sell, an appearance fee on a reality show, and, of course, always the hope of a tasty out-of-court settlement.
It's possible that Billary had coaching in the execution of the "terrorism" against 'Bill's women' and in how to respond to the allegations once they surfaced, speculation is fun but the basic elements remain.

longblackcoat said:
Bill's a sleazebag, and I don't in any way condone his behaviour. What I have yet to see in anything remotely close to evidence that (a) Hillary was complicit in all of this (b) she "acted like a terrorist."
You have witness testimony from the victim side, and beyond seeking more details we're no further on, but the allegations are no further to being dismissed either.

turbobloke

104,368 posts

262 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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In the end I C(ould)BA and there were several 'commonality' allegations against Billary from other secondary sources. It would appear that not covering these up is a good thing as per investigations into sexual predator and co-conspirator allegations in the UK, several of which have proved fruitful.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/02/kathleen-willey-hillary...

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/03/29/woman-who-had-a...

http://stonezone.com/article.php?id=701

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/21/hillary-clinto...

There may be grounds for certain readers not to approve of any one or more of the above secondary sources, that's not the point - which is that there are allegations in many media outlets, all with commonality, so the whitewash theory would have to be that all women involved were coached either by the same coach on behalf of all outlets or separately but in the same way. It's getting far-fetched as far as weak-as-gnat's-psss "shoot the messenger" (non-)defences go. And when Billary is playing the Wimmins Card in her campaign it's relevant to publish the accounts of these women.

Likes Fast Cars

2,780 posts

167 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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MadmanO/T People said:
Consider the source here. Breitbart is a notoriously ultra right wing propaganda outlet.
Makes a change from the crappy left-leaning rags!

unrepentant

21,292 posts

258 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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Likes Fast Cars said:
MadmanO/T People said:
Consider the source here. Breitbart is a notoriously ultra right wing propaganda outlet.
Makes a change from the crappy left-leaning rags!
Give us a list of crappy left leaning American rags.

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