The Irish border
Discussion
nicanary said:
Surely the "Gang of 10" are not fit for purpose? An MP's duty in Parliament is to represent the wishes of their constituents, not to voice theur political and cultural agenda in the face of those wishes.
And if some constituents have mutually contradictory wishes to other constituents?nicanary said:
Surely the "Gang of 10" are not fit for purpose? An MP's duty in Parliament is to represent the wishes of their constituents, not to voice theur political and cultural agenda in the face of those wishes.
In fairness, the constituents of the 10 DUP MPs wanted a ridiculous bigoted dinosaur to work relentlessly to remain locked firmly into the Union.And that's what they've got.
Seems fair enough to me. Ridiculous, but fair enough.
s2art said:
nicanary said:
Surely the "Gang of 10" are not fit for purpose? An MP's duty in Parliament is to represent the wishes of their constituents, not to voice theur political and cultural agenda in the face of those wishes.
And if some constituents have mutually contradictory wishes to other constituents?nicanary said:
s2art said:
nicanary said:
Surely the "Gang of 10" are not fit for purpose? An MP's duty in Parliament is to represent the wishes of their constituents, not to voice theur political and cultural agenda in the face of those wishes.
And if some constituents have mutually contradictory wishes to other constituents?s2art said:
But presumably the DUP MP constituents represented a majority in those wards. Otherwise how did they get elected?
The UUP stand aside in some areas to avoid ‘fenians’ getting elected. North and South Belfast being prime examples. It worked in those areas last time out, but failed in Snarlene’s own constituency of Fermanagh South Tyrone.Metrocentric elite w
ker alert; I generally have quite a lot of time for Matthew Parris but he made himself look particularly stupid on C4 news just now, stating that nobody knew that the Good Friday agreement involved huge amounts of money(with which to stuff the mouths of the politicians and powerbrokers of Ulster) until it came up as a side-topic in the discussion of the irish border in the context of the wider Brexit horlicks. He might have been in blissful ignorance but that doesn't mean everyone else was unaware of the somewhat grubby political expediency used to bring peace to Northern Ireland.
ker alert; I generally have quite a lot of time for Matthew Parris but he made himself look particularly stupid on C4 news just now, stating that nobody knew that the Good Friday agreement involved huge amounts of money(with which to stuff the mouths of the politicians and powerbrokers of Ulster) until it came up as a side-topic in the discussion of the irish border in the context of the wider Brexit horlicks. He might have been in blissful ignorance but that doesn't mean everyone else was unaware of the somewhat grubby political expediency used to bring peace to Northern Ireland.
Leo Varadkar has said Ireland is being victimised by the UK in the Brexit process.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affai...
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affai...
BlackLabel said:
Leo Varadkar has said Ireland is being victimised by the UK in the Brexit process.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affai...
Shame Barnier completely disagrees with him... https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affai...
Funnily enough, as I predicted several months ago, Barnier has now fully embraced Davis' original proposal, that he called fantasy.
Spokespeople not being able to answer the question "if that's possible, why need a backstop at all?" (as I stated several months ago too) is very telling...
BlackLabel said:
Leo Varadkar has said Ireland is being victimised by the UK in the Brexit process.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affai...
riiiight. He does talk some bhttps://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affai...
ks. (is it victimising him to say that?)
(weird word to use in the context of international diplomacy. Makes him sound a right wimp, which is odd, placed amidst a threat of 'army!')
FWIW, from a letter from my MP today regarding the backstop:
MP said:
ON THE BACKSTOP:
I know and fully understand the concerns which people had raised about the temporary customs backstop and our ability to leave it. Simply, we did not want to use the backstop. The backstop would only be required if we failed to negotiate a comprehensive free trade deal during the Implementation Period and did not wish to extend it. The guaranteed no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland if our future relationship was not ready by 2021. Both the UK and the EU were legally bound to work with “best endeavours” to get the future relationship in place by the end of the Implementation Period. Furthermore, it is worth remembering that Article 50 does not allow the backstop to be a permanent solution. It can only be a bridge to the future relationship. Originally, the EU refused to discuss any element of a trade deal until the WA was concluded. However, in a significant concession, we have agreed an outline of the future political framework which the Free Trade Deal would be based on. The EU do not want the UK staying in a backstop longer than necessary as they believe it would give us an unfair competitive advantage by being able to trade freely with the EU at the same time as undercutting their regulatory standards. They were particularly frustrated that the backstop will not permit unrestricted access to our fishing waters…
I know and fully understand the concerns which people had raised about the temporary customs backstop and our ability to leave it. Simply, we did not want to use the backstop. The backstop would only be required if we failed to negotiate a comprehensive free trade deal during the Implementation Period and did not wish to extend it. The guaranteed no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland if our future relationship was not ready by 2021. Both the UK and the EU were legally bound to work with “best endeavours” to get the future relationship in place by the end of the Implementation Period. Furthermore, it is worth remembering that Article 50 does not allow the backstop to be a permanent solution. It can only be a bridge to the future relationship. Originally, the EU refused to discuss any element of a trade deal until the WA was concluded. However, in a significant concession, we have agreed an outline of the future political framework which the Free Trade Deal would be based on. The EU do not want the UK staying in a backstop longer than necessary as they believe it would give us an unfair competitive advantage by being able to trade freely with the EU at the same time as undercutting their regulatory standards. They were particularly frustrated that the backstop will not permit unrestricted access to our fishing waters…
Digga said:
FWIW, from a letter from my MP today regarding the backstop:
So your MP clearly doesn't understand the backstop - if they think the EU is worried about us "undercutting their regulatory standards" when the very definition of the backstop is that we are forced to retain full compliance with zero deviation internally or externally - then it's seriously fMP said:
ON THE BACKSTOP:
I know and fully understand the concerns which people had raised about the temporary customs backstop and our ability to leave it. Simply, we did not want to use the backstop. The backstop would only be required if we failed to negotiate a comprehensive free trade deal during the Implementation Period and did not wish to extend it. The guaranteed no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland if our future relationship was not ready by 2021. Both the UK and the EU were legally bound to work with “best endeavours” to get the future relationship in place by the end of the Implementation Period. Furthermore, it is worth remembering that Article 50 does not allow the backstop to be a permanent solution. It can only be a bridge to the future relationship. Originally, the EU refused to discuss any element of a trade deal until the WA was concluded. However, in a significant concession, we have agreed an outline of the future political framework which the Free Trade Deal would be based on. The EU do not want the UK staying in a backstop longer than necessary as they believe it would give us an unfair competitive advantage by being able to trade freely with the EU at the same time as undercutting their regulatory standards. They were particularly frustrated that the backstop will not permit unrestricted access to our fishing waters…
I know and fully understand the concerns which people had raised about the temporary customs backstop and our ability to leave it. Simply, we did not want to use the backstop. The backstop would only be required if we failed to negotiate a comprehensive free trade deal during the Implementation Period and did not wish to extend it. The guaranteed no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland if our future relationship was not ready by 2021. Both the UK and the EU were legally bound to work with “best endeavours” to get the future relationship in place by the end of the Implementation Period. Furthermore, it is worth remembering that Article 50 does not allow the backstop to be a permanent solution. It can only be a bridge to the future relationship. Originally, the EU refused to discuss any element of a trade deal until the WA was concluded. However, in a significant concession, we have agreed an outline of the future political framework which the Free Trade Deal would be based on. The EU do not want the UK staying in a backstop longer than necessary as they believe it would give us an unfair competitive advantage by being able to trade freely with the EU at the same time as undercutting their regulatory standards. They were particularly frustrated that the backstop will not permit unrestricted access to our fishing waters…
king worrying they are representing us. SpeckledJim said:
riiiight. He does talk some bks.
(is it victimising him to say that?)
(weird word to use in the context of international diplomacy. Makes him sound a right wimp, which is odd, placed amidst a threat of 'army!')
On Wednesday we had this....ks. (is it victimising him to say that?)
(weird word to use in the context of international diplomacy. Makes him sound a right wimp, which is odd, placed amidst a threat of 'army!')
“Ireland will not accept a hard border after Brexit under any circumstances, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and Tánaiste Simon Coveney have insisted.”
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/taoiseach...
Yet a couple of days later he’s talking about armed personnel at the border.
BlackLabel said:
SpeckledJim said:
riiiight. He does talk some bks.
(is it victimising him to say that?)
(weird word to use in the context of international diplomacy. Makes him sound a right wimp, which is odd, placed amidst a threat of 'army!')
On Wednesday we had this....ks. (is it victimising him to say that?)
(weird word to use in the context of international diplomacy. Makes him sound a right wimp, which is odd, placed amidst a threat of 'army!')
“Ireland will not accept a hard border after Brexit under any circumstances, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and Tánaiste Simon Coveney have insisted.”
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/taoiseach...
Yet a couple of days later he’s talking about armed personnel at the border.
BlackLabel said:
SpeckledJim said:
riiiight. He does talk some bks.
(is it victimising him to say that?)
(weird word to use in the context of international diplomacy. Makes him sound a right wimp, which is odd, placed amidst a threat of 'army!')
On Wednesday we had this....ks. (is it victimising him to say that?)
(weird word to use in the context of international diplomacy. Makes him sound a right wimp, which is odd, placed amidst a threat of 'army!')
“Ireland will not accept a hard border after Brexit under any circumstances, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and Tánaiste Simon Coveney have insisted.”
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/taoiseach...
Yet a couple of days later he’s talking about armed personnel at the border.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff