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Boosted LS1 said:
TonyToniTone said:
Boosted LS1 said:
I'm a Scot and I'm not offended to be called a Scot.
I know you are special but being called a Scot isn't in any way offensive. Alpinestars said:
The gangs are almost entirely British - ergo it's a problem with Britains?
Very young children are almost entirely the preserve of white male paedophilia, as is predators acting alone, as is the abuse of young boys. Ergo, it's something in the fact that our leaders in the past married very young girls, and had sex with young boys that makes Britains into paedophiles?
That's a fudge imo. There's nothing 'British' about their behaviour. You may as well pretend it's a European thing if you're going to try to blame the British. Pakistani males have a cultural problem that's also partly to do with their religion and upbringing. The fact it's finally being debated more openly in the media (at last) is encouraging.Very young children are almost entirely the preserve of white male paedophilia, as is predators acting alone, as is the abuse of young boys. Ergo, it's something in the fact that our leaders in the past married very young girls, and had sex with young boys that makes Britains into paedophiles?
As for paedophilia, sure there are people in all societies who do this.
Boosted LS1 said:
Alpinestars said:
The gangs are almost entirely British - ergo it's a problem with Britains?
Very young children are almost entirely the preserve of white male paedophilia, as is predators acting alone, as is the abuse of young boys. Ergo, it's something in the fact that our leaders in the past married very young girls, and had sex with young boys that makes Britains into paedophiles?
That's a fudge imo. There's nothing 'British' about their behaviour. You may as well pretend it's a European thing if you're going to try to blame the British. Pakistani males have a cultural problem that's also partly to do with their religion and upbringing. The fact it's finally being debated more openly in the media (at last) is encouraging.Very young children are almost entirely the preserve of white male paedophilia, as is predators acting alone, as is the abuse of young boys. Ergo, it's something in the fact that our leaders in the past married very young girls, and had sex with young boys that makes Britains into paedophiles?
As for paedophilia, sure there are people in all societies who do this.
dudleybloke said:
I get the feeling that certain posters on this thread (and site) are paid shills.
It's the only reason I can think for all the denials, lies and whataboutisms.
Equally I get the feeling that certain posters on this thread are determined to create a link between grooming gangs and the religious/cultural background of the abusers. And if evidence is provided to the contrary , well then they're deniers and apologists......It's the only reason I can think for all the denials, lies and whataboutisms.
The thing that connects this particular group of abusers (with all the other grooming gangs) is that they had access to vulnerable girls. From what I can see most of them worked in the night-time trades (taxi drivers, takeaway workers,..) and they were able to get access to vulnerable young women, It's a similar MO to Roman Catholic priests, or scoutmasters or Radio DJs, or staff in Children's Homes. There is nothing intrinsic within any of those groups that make them child abusers, but it DOES mean that their members have access to, and control over, vulnerable and immature young people.
Personally I'd castrate them, chemically or otherwise. If you can't be trusted not to misuse something you shouldn't be allowed to keep it.
Countdown said:
dudleybloke said:
I get the feeling that certain posters on this thread (and site) are paid shills.
It's the only reason I can think for all the denials, lies and whataboutisms.
Equally I get the feeling that certain posters on this thread are determined to create a link between grooming gangs and the religious/cultural background of the abusers. And if evidence is provided to the contrary , well then they're deniers and apologists......It's the only reason I can think for all the denials, lies and whataboutisms.
The thing that connects this particular group of abusers (with all the other grooming gangs) is that they had access to vulnerable girls. From what I can see most of them worked in the night-time trades (taxi drivers, takeaway workers,..) and they were able to get access to vulnerable young women, It's a similar MO to Roman Catholic priests, or scoutmasters or Radio DJs, or staff in Children's Homes. There is nothing intrinsic within any of those groups that make them child abusers, but it DOES mean that their members have access to, and control over, vulnerable and immature young people.
Personally I'd castrate them, chemically or otherwise. If you can't be trusted not to misuse something you shouldn't be allowed to keep it.
Countdown said:
Equally I get the feeling that certain posters on this thread are determined to create point out a link between grooming gangs and the religious/cultural background of the abusers. And if evidence is provided to the contrary , well then they're deniers and apologists......
The thing that connects this particular group of abusers (with all the other grooming gangs) is that they had access to vulnerable girls. From what I can see most of them worked in the night-time trades (taxi drivers, takeaway workers,..) and they were able to get access to vulnerable young women, It's a similar MO to Roman Catholic priests, or scoutmasters or Radio DJs, or staff in Children's Homes. There is nothing intrinsic within any of those groups that make them child abusers, but it DOES mean that their members have access to, and control over, vulnerable and immature young people.
Personally I'd castrate them, chemically or otherwise. If you can't be trusted not to misuse something you shouldn't be allowed to keep it.
For your added comprehension.The thing that connects this particular group of abusers (with all the other grooming gangs) is that they had access to vulnerable girls. From what I can see most of them worked in the night-time trades (taxi drivers, takeaway workers,..) and they were able to get access to vulnerable young women, It's a similar MO to Roman Catholic priests, or scoutmasters or Radio DJs, or staff in Children's Homes. There is nothing intrinsic within any of those groups that make them child abusers, but it DOES mean that their members have access to, and control over, vulnerable and immature young people.
Personally I'd castrate them, chemically or otherwise. If you can't be trusted not to misuse something you shouldn't be allowed to keep it.
andymc said:
but what about the rapey culture in Pakistan? They don't have access to young girls?
There's a very backwards attitude towards women in Pakistan. However, if you look at the statistics for rape you'll find that the US (and a lot of other western countries) are significantly worse. South Africa seems to be quite bad. So there doesn't seem to be a correlation between Islam and rape.Countdown said:
Equally I get the feeling that certain posters on this thread are determined to create a link between grooming gangs and the religious/cultural background of the abusers. And if evidence is provided to the contrary , well then they're deniers and apologists......
The thing that connects this particular group of abusers (with all the other grooming gangs) is that they had access to vulnerable girls. From what I can see most of them worked in the night-time trades (taxi drivers, takeaway workers,..) and they were able to get access to vulnerable young women, It's a similar MO to Roman Catholic priests, or scoutmasters or Radio DJs, or staff in Children's Homes. There is nothing intrinsic within any of those groups that make them child abusers, but it DOES mean that their members have access to, and control over, vulnerable and immature young people.
I've heard it all now. One or two are taxi drivers but how does the brother/cousin/uncle/family friend and neighbour get involved? How many members of the white paedo groups knew each other outside of their perverted networks?The thing that connects this particular group of abusers (with all the other grooming gangs) is that they had access to vulnerable girls. From what I can see most of them worked in the night-time trades (taxi drivers, takeaway workers,..) and they were able to get access to vulnerable young women, It's a similar MO to Roman Catholic priests, or scoutmasters or Radio DJs, or staff in Children's Homes. There is nothing intrinsic within any of those groups that make them child abusers, but it DOES mean that their members have access to, and control over, vulnerable and immature young people.
Countdown said:
There's a very backwards attitude towards women in Pakistan. However, if you look at the statistics for rape you'll find that the US (and a lot of other western countries) are significantly worse. South Africa seems to be quite bad. So there doesn't seem to be a correlation between Islam and rape.
Are you comparing reported numbers or reality?andymc said:
Countdown said:
dudleybloke said:
I get the feeling that certain posters on this thread (and site) are paid shills.
It's the only reason I can think for all the denials, lies and whataboutisms.
Equally I get the feeling that certain posters on this thread are determined to create a link between grooming gangs and the religious/cultural background of the abusers. And if evidence is provided to the contrary , well then they're deniers and apologists......It's the only reason I can think for all the denials, lies and whataboutisms.
The thing that connects this particular group of abusers (with all the other grooming gangs) is that they had access to vulnerable girls. From what I can see most of them worked in the night-time trades (taxi drivers, takeaway workers,..) and they were able to get access to vulnerable young women, It's a similar MO to Roman Catholic priests, or scoutmasters or Radio DJs, or staff in Children's Homes. There is nothing intrinsic within any of those groups that make them child abusers, but it DOES mean that their members have access to, and control over, vulnerable and immature young people.
Personally I'd castrate them, chemically or otherwise. If you can't be trusted not to misuse something you shouldn't be allowed to keep it.
They were (I don't have up to date stats);
South Africa
India
U.S.
Britain
Zimbabwe.
Now I'm sure one could come up with different statistics and issues with measurement etc, but it doesn't appear to be the preserve of any religion or culture around the world.
Alpinestars said:
Andy, rather than shout your mouth off and have to apologise later, why not actually look past your hatred and do a bit of research. Are you aware of the countries with the highest rate of child sexual abuse?
They were (I don't have up to date stats);
South Africa
India
U.S.
Britain
Zimbabwe.
Now I'm sure one could come up with different statistics and issues with measurement etc, but it doesn't appear to be the preserve of any religion or culture around the world.
So why do Pakistani men become more prevalent to abuse children when living in Western countries? And why does the wider Pakistani community turn a blind eye?They were (I don't have up to date stats);
South Africa
India
U.S.
Britain
Zimbabwe.
Now I'm sure one could come up with different statistics and issues with measurement etc, but it doesn't appear to be the preserve of any religion or culture around the world.
Boosted LS1 said:
I wonder what the results would be if we compared it to counties in the UK and then somehow looked at ethnic density. I bet cornwall's pretty shocking.
Because the stats I posted didn't prove your pre conceptions? I suspect Cornwall does pretty well in all areas of crime, even compared to densely populated white, Asian or black areas. What were you hoping to prove?
Edited to add, I think we've already established that gang sex abuse, in Britain, appears to be carried out largely by British men of Pakistani origin.
Edited by Alpinestars on Saturday 12th August 19:38
Alpinestars said:
Boosted LS1 said:
I wonder what the results would be if we compared it to counties in the UK and then somehow looked at ethnic density. I bet cornwall's pretty shocking.
Because the stats I posted didn't prove your pre conceptions? I suspect Cornwall does pretty well in all areas of crime, even compared to densely populated white, Asian or black areas. What were you hoping to prove?
Edited to add, I think we've already established that gang sex abuse, in Britain, appears to be carried out largely by British men of Pakistani origin.
Edited by Alpinestars on Saturday 12th August 19:38
Alpinestars said:
We are getting well off topic now, but some stats for you.
The prison population at the end of 2016 was a follows (brackets represent the total UK population so you can see if one group is over or under represented;
White 73% (88)
Asian 8 (7)
Black 12 (3)
Others make the 100%
So the white population is underrepresented, and the black population is over represented.
Of foreign nationals in prison, the Poles are by far the biggest group.
By religion at the end of 2013;
Christian 93%
Muslim 4%
Others the rest.
Do you have a source for these figure or are you making them up? The prison population at the end of 2016 was a follows (brackets represent the total UK population so you can see if one group is over or under represented;
White 73% (88)
Asian 8 (7)
Black 12 (3)
Others make the 100%
So the white population is underrepresented, and the black population is over represented.
Of foreign nationals in prison, the Poles are by far the biggest group.
By religion at the end of 2013;
Christian 93%
Muslim 4%
Others the rest.
MoJ has the Muslim % at over 14%
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31794599
andymc said:
Alpinestars said:
Boosted LS1 said:
I wonder what the results would be if we compared it to counties in the UK and then somehow looked at ethnic density. I bet cornwall's pretty shocking.
Because the stats I posted didn't prove your pre conceptions? I suspect Cornwall does pretty well in all areas of crime, even compared to densely populated white, Asian or black areas. What were you hoping to prove?
Edited to add, I think we've already established that gang sex abuse, in Britain, appears to be carried out largely by British men of Pakistani origin.
Edited by Alpinestars on Saturday 12th August 19:38
The prison population at the end of 2016 was a follows (brackets represent the total UK population so you can see if one group is over or under represented;
White 73% (88)
Asian 8 (7)
Black 12 (3)
Others make the 100%
So the white population is underrepresented, and the black population is over represented.
Of foreign nationals in prison, the Poles are by far the biggest group.
Alpinestars said:
We are getting well off topic now, but some stats for you.
The prison population at the end of 2016 was a follows (brackets represent the total UK population so you can see if one group is over or under represented;
White 73% (88)
Asian 8 (7)
Black 12 (3)
Others make the 100%
So the white population is underrepresented, and the black population is over represented.
Of foreign nationals in prison, the Poles are by far the biggest group.
Whilst I agree that there is merit in this set of stats - it is important to note that there is a correllation between poverty and imprisonment/criminality.The prison population at the end of 2016 was a follows (brackets represent the total UK population so you can see if one group is over or under represented;
White 73% (88)
Asian 8 (7)
Black 12 (3)
Others make the 100%
So the white population is underrepresented, and the black population is over represented.
Of foreign nationals in prison, the Poles are by far the biggest group.
(which is nothing to do with the the general theme of the thread and I am not seeking to do anything other than address this specific part of the thread)
Alpinestars said:
We are getting well off topic now, but some stats for you.
The prison population at the end of 2016 was a follows (brackets represent the total UK population so you can see if one group is over or under represented;
White 73% (88)
Asian 8 (7)
Black 12 (3)
Others make the 100%
So the white population is underrepresented, and the black population is over represented.
Of foreign nationals in prison, the Poles are by far the biggest group.
Whereas the last set of statistics I saw for France suggests that although the population of the country is 7% Muslim they make up 70% of the prison population.The prison population at the end of 2016 was a follows (brackets represent the total UK population so you can see if one group is over or under represented;
White 73% (88)
Asian 8 (7)
Black 12 (3)
Others make the 100%
So the white population is underrepresented, and the black population is over represented.
Of foreign nationals in prison, the Poles are by far the biggest group.
You seem absolutely determined to suggest that there is no link between any negative behaviour and a person's religion. Is this a fair statement as to your viewpoint?
a priori this seems very unlikely, given how central to a person's moral choices their religion is.
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