Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 2

[Caulkhead]

TheHeretic said:

Edinburger said:

Churchill was only mentioned because he was the first fat politician I thought of.

Alright! Stop going on about the past!

Bloody nazi sympathisers!

[Caulkhead]

Edinburger said:

WhereamI said:

Edinburger said:

WhereamI said:

Edinburger said:

Scotland is a country, not just a region of the UK

And because Scotland is a country, it is quite outrageous that the Conservatives governed Scotland when only one or two constituencies in the whole of Scotland voted for them.

That's the point.

Politically Scotland is a region of the UK. It has no more status in the context of the UK than Yorkshire does, or the West Midlands or Wales.

Scotland has its own legal system, its own internationally recognised border, its own educational system, its own economy and GDP, its own government, its own public services and police forces, etc.

Therefore I think most people would recognise Scotland as a country.

If it's already a country why do you need to have an independence referendum? Sounds like you are already independent.

BTW Yorkshire has it's own borders, economy, GDP, police forces, public services and so on. No we haven't indulged in our own parliament and we are happy with our status as a UK region.

Because we're a country and not a nation.

Show me your passport then.

[General Price]

I'm sorry,Edinburger has just gone to change into her Viperpict frock.The inane rambling will be back shortly.

[Edinburger]

General Price said:

I'm sorry,Edinburger has just gone to change into her Viperpict frock.The inane rambling will be back shortly.

Aye, that's right. VP and I are the same person with two userids and some different views. If that makes you feel good then just beleive it

[Edinburger]

thinfourth2: your prayers have been answered...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-19839096

[TheHeretic]

Edinburger said:

thinfourth2: your prayers have been answered...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-19839096

Isn't this what people have been saying all along? These services will cost, and whether Scotland would be able to afford it without either taxing heavily, or cutting spending in other areas?

[thinfourth2]

Edinburger said:

thinfourth2: your prayers have been answered...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-19839096

Yep its a bad sign when the public sector and the labour party say you are spending too much

And they aren't my prayers


My prayers are that the SNP and the independence lot stop believing in the magic money tree.

[WhereamI]

TheHeretic said:

Edinburger said:

thinfourth2: your prayers have been answered...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-19839096

Isn't this what people have been saying all along? These services will cost, and whether Scotland would be able to afford it without either taxing heavily, or cutting spending in other areas?

Exactly. And when you think about it the policies are populist but actually only benefit the well off. If you have no money most of these things are free anyway in the rest of the UK, generally speaking it's only people who can afford it who have to pay.

The exception is University fees, although the question there is how large a higher education sector we need. It only became necessary to charge fees because the sector grew to such an extent that it became unaffordable without, and that's due to this concept of over 50% of the population going to university. But that's another debate.

[thinfourth2]

WhereamI said:

The exception is University fees, although the question there is how large a higher education sector we need. It only became necessary to charge fees because the sector grew to such an extent that it became unaffordable without, and that's due to this concept of over 50% of the population going to university. But that's another debate.

Free university will give me a HUGE laugh if we get independence

Currently in scotland we can legally charge english student coming up to a scottish university

If we become independent then under EU rules then we must allow english students to use scottish universities for free

I'll laugh my cock off when that little penny drops with the anti-english morons

[Wombat3]

thinfourth2 said:

WhereamI said:

The exception is University fees, although the question there is how large a higher education sector we need. It only became necessary to charge fees because the sector grew to such an extent that it became unaffordable without, and that's due to this concept of over 50% of the population going to university. But that's another debate.

Free university will give me a HUGE laugh if we get independence

Currently in scotland we can legally charge english student coming up to a scottish university

If we become independent then under EU rules then we must allow english students to use scottish universities for free

I'll laugh my cock off when that little penny drops with the anti-english morons

Last I read they were already finding it a bit difficult to deal with the number of English Students who have suddenly remembered they have Irish (or other EU nationality) grandparents & are turning up with the necessary passport in hand

That said, ISTR there was an article in the Sunday's last weekend where the Students rated the teaching at Edinburgh as distinctly bottom of the pile!

Indeed so, a quick look & here it is

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/E...

[AstonZagato]

thinfourth2 said:

WhereamI said:

The exception is University fees, although the question there is how large a higher education sector we need. It only became necessary to charge fees because the sector grew to such an extent that it became unaffordable without, and that's due to this concept of over 50% of the population going to university. But that's another debate.

Free university will give me a HUGE laugh if we get independence

Currently in scotland we can legally charge english student coming up to a scottish university

If we become independent then under EU rules then we must allow english students to use scottish universities for free

I'll laugh my cock off when that little penny drops with the anti-english morons

Yup. My daughter (who by birth is more Scottish than anything else) has to pay fees to the Scottish university she attends. If independence happens, it will be free. Yay!

[BliarOut]

AstonZagato said:

thinfourth2 said:

WhereamI said:

The exception is University fees, although the question there is how large a higher education sector we need. It only became necessary to charge fees because the sector grew to such an extent that it became unaffordable without, and that's due to this concept of over 50% of the population going to university. But that's another debate.

Free university will give me a HUGE laugh if we get independence

Currently in scotland we can legally charge english student coming up to a scottish university

If we become independent then under EU rules then we must allow english students to use scottish universities for free

I'll laugh my cock off when that little penny drops with the anti-english morons

Yup. My daughter (who by birth is more Scottish than anything else) has to pay fees to the Scottish university she attends. If independence happens, it will be free. Yay!

So an unexpected side effect of Scottish independence would be that the Scots will subsidise English education?

That'll please VP

[Wombat3]

BliarOut said:

AstonZagato said:

thinfourth2 said:

WhereamI said:

The exception is University fees, although the question there is how large a higher education sector we need. It only became necessary to charge fees because the sector grew to such an extent that it became unaffordable without, and that's due to this concept of over 50% of the population going to university. But that's another debate.

Free university will give me a HUGE laugh if we get independence

Currently in scotland we can legally charge english student coming up to a scottish university

If we become independent then under EU rules then we must allow english students to use scottish universities for free

I'll laugh my cock off when that little penny drops with the anti-english morons

Yup. My daughter (who by birth is more Scottish than anything else) has to pay fees to the Scottish university she attends. If independence happens, it will be free. Yay!

So an unexpected side effect of Scottish independence would be that the Scots will subsidise English education?

That'll please VP

Not exactly - that will only be a side effect IF they can also negotiate their way into the EU first !!

[London424]

TheHeretic said:

Edinburger said:

thinfourth2: your prayers have been answered...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-19839096

Isn't this what people have been saying all along? These services will cost, and whether Scotland would be able to afford it without either taxing heavily, or cutting spending in other areas?

A great line in there is "As we said in Audit Scotland reports in my day, the concessionary travel scheme could cost not far short of half a billion pounds by the time we get through to the 2020s.

"Were the MSPs aware of that when they launched the policy? I suspect the frank answer is not."

So no-one could predict that we have an aging population, and that in the future we will have more old people eligible for these schemes? Have these people been living in a cave not to be aware of this?

[isoimp]

At last the truth. Salmond is a son of a bh who is more concerned with lining his and his cronies pockets than caring a jot about the Scottish people he pretends to represent.

How can the wkers who regularly post on this forum here keep defending their Great Leader


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/1001...

[Wombat3]

isoimp said:

At last the truth. Salmond is a son of a bh who is more concerned with lining his and his cronies pockets than caring a jot about the Scottish people he pretends to represent.

How can the wkers who regularly post on this forum here keep defending their Great Leader


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/1001...

Ah but they claim he is not the true "great leader". He is just the vehicle to achieving what they want - their interests are, apparently, only temporarily aligned.

Thereafter the "secret" party takes over and a new (and as yet completely unheard of) Great Leader will emerge from the shadows wielding his Claymore & handing out free flags & facepaint for all!

Seems as though he might not be able to afford the free prescriptions & Uni education anymore though!

[ViperPict]

isoimp said:

At last the truth. Salmond is a son of a bh who is more concerned with lining his and his cronies pockets than caring a jot about the Scottish people he pretends to represent.

How can the wkers who regularly post on this forum here keep defending their Great Leader


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/1001...

Hmmm. A BLOG in the Torygraph. It simply MUST be 100% accurate...

[WhereamI]

ViperPict said:

Hmmm. A BLOG in the Torygraph. It simply MUST be 100% accurate...

Ah VP we've missed you! So what is wrong with what is being said, care to point out any inaccuracies or are you just going to rolleyes and blame the telegraph?

[ViperPict]

WhereamI said:

ViperPict said:

Hmmm. A BLOG in the Torygraph. It simply MUST be 100% accurate...

Ah VP we've missed you! So what is wrong with what is being said, care to point out any inaccuracies or are you just going to rolleyes and blame the telegraph?

For a start, the article's not even about Salmond, only in the indirect sense that he leads the Tory party. Note that AS was not even present in the SP when wee Jimmy Krankie was jeered...

[TheHeretic]

ViperPict said:

For a start, the article's not even about Salmond, only in the indirect sense that he leads the Tory party. Note that AS was not even present in the SP when wee Jimmy Krankie was jeered...

Wait...What? How is that showing the article as inaccurate? And how does it show that he indirectly leads the Tory party?