Teacher decapitated in Paris by enraged parent.
Discussion
gazza285 said:
Noodle1982 said:
Have any Islamic/Muslim groups stepped forward yet to condemn the attack?
I do not see the relevance of this.This person commits a crime. What really, has it to do with you?
What are they expecting? Marches, Everybody Muslim signing a letter...?
Where I live we have a problem with paedophilia. Committed by westerners.
When someone is caught why aren’t their governments releasing statements and people marching and protesting in Australia in support of these kids and to condemn the criminal?
Oh course if any Muslim groups do put something out there (and they have) it wont be taken seriously by most on here anyway. What are they going to say apart from it was a terrible thing, this guy was deranged, we don’t approve?
Well obviously, as 99.9999% of people don’t approve of this young guys actions.
How many people think community leaders or groups speak for them anyway? I’m pretty certain that very few people on here actually think a group or ‘community leader’ speaks for them.
If someone put out a statement from a group ‘representing’ .... all football supporters in the London region and you are in that demographic- do you agree, were you asked for an opinion, do you feel it actually has anything to do with you? “Well Brian, reporting here from London it seems that all football supporters in the region are saying.....several groups put out statements condemning/approving...”
“A UK website called Pistonheads which represents car fans across the country has stated that its members are in favour of....”
Well that’s just silly isn’t it, ridiculous examples...but not for Muslim groups.
Actually, I guess many on here would love a release from Muslim Groups that said ‘ha ha ha death to the infidels!!”
Tarring everybody with the same brush.
To be fair I can’t forgive all the Irish for their IRA s
t. I know for a fact that they all really approved of IRA actions. All of them. There was an article on the radio yesterday. Guy lost his wife to a terrorist attack and the b
ds put three bullets in his two week old daughter - who, amazingly, lived. Very moving. Of course this guy was heavily conflicted because as a Muslim he supports Muslim terrorist actions, they all do really you know...deep down, secretly, I mean he sounded devastated and like such a decent nice guy..but really he loves some terrorist stuff.
I mean also he believes in his religion so, as we know from earlier in this thread, not only has he lost his wife but he is also mentally ill.
Troubleatmill said:
The Bible was written by men for men and amended over several hundred years to suit the needs of the male leaders at the time.
I'm with Hitchins on this. Mary was a bit of a harlot.
I wholeheartedly agree with the first sentence. From my reading, over many years, it seems to go for a lot of religions. They are, obviously, used as a means of control, of men of course, but women especially. They give paternalism a bad name. I'm with Hitchins on this. Mary was a bit of a harlot.
I’m with Hitchins on a number of his points, in particular that the way to equality, and to shuffle of the coil of religion, is to have women control their own fertility. Such a move would revolutionise the world: reduce overpopulation, reduce poverty, and reduce sexism. The obvious downside is nothing.
As to whether Mary was a sex-worker (why is that preferable to prostitute? It means the same.) I’m not so sure. Hitchens was a contrarian. He revelled in it. It’s not a criticism, merely an observation. The world needs more people to go against accepted wisdom, like Jesus in fact. However, it seems to me to be just as likely that Mary was Mrs Jesus. A good Jewish boy in his thirties - of course he was married.
Getting back to the event - it appears murky and colusive;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54639343
It appears the father of the offended child had been in direct contact with the killer prior to the killer going to the school and once at the school two students hung around for two hours with the killer for a payment of 300Euros to positively identify the teacher...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54639343
It appears the father of the offended child had been in direct contact with the killer prior to the killer going to the school and once at the school two students hung around for two hours with the killer for a payment of 300Euros to positively identify the teacher...
It’s just a bloody cartoon ffs.
“ Calls to boycott French goods are growing in the Arab world and beyond, after President Emmanuel Macron criticised Islamists and vowed not to "give up cartoons" depicting the Prophet Mohammed.
Macron's comments, on Wednesday, came in response to the beheading of a teacher, Samuel Paty, outside his school in a suburb outside Paris earlier this month, after he had shown cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed during a class he was leading on free speech.”
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20201024-mac...
“ Calls to boycott French goods are growing in the Arab world and beyond, after President Emmanuel Macron criticised Islamists and vowed not to "give up cartoons" depicting the Prophet Mohammed.
Macron's comments, on Wednesday, came in response to the beheading of a teacher, Samuel Paty, outside his school in a suburb outside Paris earlier this month, after he had shown cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed during a class he was leading on free speech.”
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20201024-mac...
France recalls Turkey envoy after Erdogan says Macron needs 'mental check'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54678826
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54678826
Troubleatmill said:
Derek Smith said:
Troubleatmill said:
Jesus said in the New Testament that the Old Testament is still valid.
And you are correct, Mo, Allah, Jesus and his Dad are not worthy. Neither is any religion. They are all evil. They should be banished from our lives forever.
A book isn't evil. It's just words. If you go down that road, you start banning books, or burning them. That's the start of the slide to tyranny......(more stuff )....And you are correct, Mo, Allah, Jesus and his Dad are not worthy. Neither is any religion. They are all evil. They should be banished from our lives forever.
What is banned is using religion to incite hatred or break laws so that’s great.
Banning religion which is just beliefs (thoughts and feelings people have) is impossible and not the way to go, you can’t ban people from thinking something or ban them for jointing together to talk or sing or pray about the same thing.
If I started a religion tomorrow that was all about peace and love and society and everyone joining in actually behaved in a way that benefited society, should that be banned?
The trouble with the older more established religion is that people then make their own interpretations about what is acceptable and justified.
El stovey said:
Some people are.
Someone thinking it’s ok to decapitate someone over a cartoon doesn’t need religion to embolden them.
Survival of the fittest. Anyone who was not able to defend or fight for the resources would soon expire. Someone thinking it’s ok to decapitate someone over a cartoon doesn’t need religion to embolden them.
That would sort your "some people are" out probably within the first week or two.
Our organisation and innovation has temporarily put this on hold but its a fragile peace.
Those able to get upset over a cartoon and kill would soon be in charge of a gang or tribe or whatever. Kindly Mr Smith would be gone and his supplies raided.
El stovey said:
Getragdogleg said:
It all boils down to the fact that people are unpleasant.
Communicative and inventive beasts only a few missed meals from their raw nature.
Some people are. Communicative and inventive beasts only a few missed meals from their raw nature.
Someone thinking it’s ok to decapitate someone over a cartoon doesn’t need religion to embolden them.
Getragdogleg said:
El stovey said:
Some people are.
Someone thinking it’s ok to decapitate someone over a cartoon doesn’t need religion to embolden them.
Survival of the fittest. Anyone who was not able to defend or fight for the resources would soon expire. Someone thinking it’s ok to decapitate someone over a cartoon doesn’t need religion to embolden them.
That would sort your "some people are" out probably within the first week or two.
Our organisation and innovation has temporarily put this on hold but its a fragile peace.
Those able to get upset over a cartoon and kill would soon be in charge of a gang or tribe or whatever. Kindly Mr Smith would be gone and his supplies raided.
I think El Stovey's post supports it too tbh...religion's just an excuse.
Murph7355 said:
Getragdogleg said:
El stovey said:
Some people are.
Someone thinking it’s ok to decapitate someone over a cartoon doesn’t need religion to embolden them.
Survival of the fittest. Anyone who was not able to defend or fight for the resources would soon expire. Someone thinking it’s ok to decapitate someone over a cartoon doesn’t need religion to embolden them.
That would sort your "some people are" out probably within the first week or two.
Our organisation and innovation has temporarily put this on hold but its a fragile peace.
Those able to get upset over a cartoon and kill would soon be in charge of a gang or tribe or whatever. Kindly Mr Smith would be gone and his supplies raided.
I think El Stovey's post supports it too tbh...religion's just an excuse.
Some people are deranged, looking for a tribe to belong to, frustrated with their lives and looking for an outlet or someone to blame, easily led etc.
To those people, football violence, extreme religious or political organisations etc are manna from heaven. Not much point banning religion. Firstly it would be impossible. Secondly it would hardly change human nature or existence. The same people would switch to the most closely affiliated political cause instead. Look at how deeply entwined football religion and politics is in some places. You’d hardly stop the conflict by removing one of those 3 elements.
To those people, football violence, extreme religious or political organisations etc are manna from heaven. Not much point banning religion. Firstly it would be impossible. Secondly it would hardly change human nature or existence. The same people would switch to the most closely affiliated political cause instead. Look at how deeply entwined football religion and politics is in some places. You’d hardly stop the conflict by removing one of those 3 elements.
“ Manchester United star Paul Pogba will reportedly quit playing for France after statements by French president Emmanuel Macron alleging that Islam was the source of international terrorism.
According to various Middle Eastern news sources, the World Cup-winning midfielder, who is a convert to Islam, 'resigned' after the comments made by Macron on Friday.
Pogba reportedly also resents the French government's decision to bestow the country's highest honour on the teacher who had shown images of the prophet Muhammad to schoolchildren in his class before being murdered in a terrorist attack. ”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/artic...
According to various Middle Eastern news sources, the World Cup-winning midfielder, who is a convert to Islam, 'resigned' after the comments made by Macron on Friday.
Pogba reportedly also resents the French government's decision to bestow the country's highest honour on the teacher who had shown images of the prophet Muhammad to schoolchildren in his class before being murdered in a terrorist attack. ”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/artic...
paulguitar said:
The Spruce Goose said:
gazza285 said:
Why would I?
Well considering it seems to turn peaceful people into violent criminals.2. Either way, probably it would only turn a teeny minority into murderers?
3. It's hardly as if Christians/other religions are squeaky clean. Religion is a mass mental illness.
El stovey said:
Getragdogleg said:
It all boils down to the fact that people are unpleasant.
Communicative and inventive beasts only a few missed meals from their raw nature.
Some people are. Communicative and inventive beasts only a few missed meals from their raw nature.
Someone thinking it’s ok to decapitate someone over a cartoon doesn’t need religion to embolden them.
coolg said:
But without religion they wouldn't have been decapitated. When you are told from an early age that God is this and that, combined with Blasphemy is a sin punishable by death, i wager without religion he wouldn't have carried this out.
If it's not religion that is driving people to carry out these sort of attacks, then why is it always the muslims doing it?I've lost count of how many work sweepstakes I've lost on the religious affiliations of the next attacker who implies that they are diong it for religious reasons. Have you any idea how long it is since a Methodist blew up a tube train?
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