Ped gets 3 years for manslaughter of cyclist hit by car…
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otolith said:
A 77 year old lady is dead. Her husband of 53 years widowed, her daughter left without a mother and her grandson left without a grandmother. A 33 year old driver has had her life ruined. And there are people here trying to defend the actions of the killer. This place is unbelievable sometimes.
They hate cyclists, a cyclist got killed, pretty much as simple as that.otolith said:
A 77 year old lady is dead. Her husband of 53 years widowed, her daughter left without a mother and her grandson left without a grandmother. A 33 year old driver has had her life ruined. And there are people here trying to defend the actions of the killer. This place is unbelievable sometimes.
None of which would have happened if the cyclist had not been too close to the pedestrian. Who had priority as a more vulnerable person. Who are you going to blame if she is found not guilty on appeal.
Vanden Saab said:
otolith said:
A 77 year old lady is dead. Her husband of 53 years widowed, her daughter left without a mother and her grandson left without a grandmother. A 33 year old driver has had her life ruined. And there are people here trying to defend the actions of the killer. This place is unbelievable sometimes.
None of which would have happened if the cyclist had not been too close to the pedestrian. Who had priority as a more vulnerable person. Who will you blame if she is found not guilty on appeal.
ScotHill said:
EmailAddress said:
Vanden Saab said:
otolith said:
A 77 year old lady is dead. Her husband of 53 years widowed, her daughter left without a mother and her grandson left without a grandmother. A 33 year old driver has had her life ruined. And there are people here trying to defend the actions of the killer. This place is unbelievable sometimes.
None of which would have happened if the cyclist had not been too close to the pedestrian. Who had priority as a more vulnerable person. Who are you going to blame if she is found not guilty on appeal.
As for the verdict, the video speaks for itself. If the court decides that culpability isn't proven beyond reasonable doubt, it won't change my opinion. What she did is fact, whether it amounts to manslaughter is the only question.
otolith said:
Wouldn't have happened if the ped hadn't pushed her into the road. Would have been much more space if the ped hadn't been walking in the middle of the pavement. Indefensible.
As for the verdict, the video speaks for itself. If the court decides that culpability isn't proven beyond reasonable doubt, it won't change my opinion. What she did is fact, whether it amounts to manslaughter is the only question.
As for the verdict, the video speaks for itself. If the court decides that culpability isn't proven beyond reasonable doubt, it won't change my opinion. What she did is fact, whether it amounts to manslaughter is the only question.
It's everyone's responsibility to avoid an accident. She actively tried to cause one. She can rot in jail IMO.Vanden Saab said:
No I am not. I am pointing out that the unlucky cyclist should not have been close enough to a more vulnerable road user for the accident to happen.
But as usual it is you partaking in victim blaming. If a car drove too close to a cyclist and the cyclist wobbled pushing the car into a lorry coming the other way I know you would not be blaming the cyclist.
You are literally blaming the victim here, and as for 'cyclist wobbled pushing the car into a lorry' you're just showing your lack of intelligence.But as usual it is you partaking in victim blaming. If a car drove too close to a cyclist and the cyclist wobbled pushing the car into a lorry coming the other way I know you would not be blaming the cyclist.
otolith said:
Vanden Saab said:
otolith said:
A 77 year old lady is dead. Her husband of 53 years widowed, her daughter left without a mother and her grandson left without a grandmother. A 33 year old driver has had her life ruined. And there are people here trying to defend the actions of the killer. This place is unbelievable sometimes.
None of which would have happened if the cyclist had not been too close to the pedestrian. Who had priority as a more vulnerable person. Who are you going to blame if she is found not guilty on appeal.
As for the verdict, the video speaks for itself. If the court decides that culpability isn't proven beyond reasonable doubt, it won't change my opinion. What she did is fact, whether it amounts to manslaughter is the only question.
Vanden Saab said:
okgo said:
Take a look at Vanden Saab’ posting and the threads he’s in. It’s like someone designed a gammon in a lab and then set him free on the forum like some kind of Super Biggot T1000.
2/10 Must try harder. If you tried any harder your 'brain' would fall out your arse. I'm not usually one for insults but in your case...
Super Sonic said:
Vanden Saab said:
okgo said:
Take a look at Vanden Saab’ posting and the threads he’s in. It’s like someone designed a gammon in a lab and then set him free on the forum like some kind of Super Biggot T1000.
2/10 Must try harder. If you tried any harder your 'brain' would fall out your arse. I'm not usually one for insults but in your case...
An apology would be nice but I doubt that admitting you are wrong is something you are capable of doing.
I have been a cyclist for almost 60 years and at no point in that time have I ever tried to barge through the narrow gap between a pedestrian and a busy road as the cyclist did. Mainly because I am not a self-entitled t
t who thinks I have more right to be on a road or pavement than anybody else but also because I treat everybody else on the roads as a blind blithering idiot who is going to do something stupid at any moment. 
J4CKO said:
Teddy Lop said:
Given the highway code has embraced the idea that bicycle people competence is such that they can fall over at any time, should a bicycle person ever be within 6 feet of a pedestrian?
Of course that incompetence we embrace probably makes such fine control difficult for them, what with having to steer and look and stuff, but still.
Can you ride a bike ?Of course that incompetence we embrace probably makes such fine control difficult for them, what with having to steer and look and stuff, but still.
Have you ridden one int he last forty years ?
Its amazing how folk who have obviously zero idea about riding a bike have such insights, and, cyclists can be very variable, like drivers, in ability.
Also, drivers need to have some idea of what a cyclist may be seeing, and how they may need to react. As we tend to cycle near to the left of the road thats where you get broken surfaces, gaping holes round grids and litter. As a driver I moan about the state of the roads and the effects it can have on a ton and a half of motor car, try it on a 10 kilo road bike, hit a pothole you are potentially off so you are constantly scanning other traffic, the pavement and the road surface, its pretty full on, more so than driving.
And yes, a cyclist can fall over at any time, but we endeavour not to, I have come off once on the road in the last twenty or so years, front wheel went when going round a roundabout due to it being slick with diesel.
And I find pedestrians are best avoided, the number of times people dont look and step out in front of you when on a bike as you are pretty much silent, then look all surprised.
I make a huge effort to keep away from people on foot, if sharing a path then I slow right down and make sure they know I am there, I pass them slowly and give them plenty of room but I cant vouch for everyone else on a bike, I had some idiot on a Sur-ron Eletric motorbike mount the pavement up my inside the other day as I went past a car turning right.
I think everyone focuses on the mode of transport a bit much, and lumps cyclists in particular in a big group, yet for me its more about who conducts themselves with restraint, respect for other road users and makes an effort to use the roads well, I have been overtaken on my bike by a Range Rover Sport at a metre distance at 100 mph plus, cant say I have ever had a cyclist do that to me and they would get told to f
k off as well.I've commuted by cycle on a range of roads inc higher speed extra-urban 25 mile round trips. Id suggest whatever picture you're suggesting of me is a little uninformed.
I passed my cycling proficiency test in primary school in I guess the late 80s; I've mislaid my certificate. Most of today's adults-on-bicycles would fail that test I think. But don't take it hard; I think most peds would catastrophically fail the green cross code thing i did too and while driving a car wasnt an option, im sure id have bested a worrying proportion of drivers at wheels on my nowadays daily commute
One of the problems we have is a systematic and highly propagated division and lack of respect between different road users. In reality we're all c***s in this together and a lot of people, both on the road and in higher places need to realise that as the daily experience is just depressing.
Even my quite obviously silly and trying pop has got the MAMILs frothing.
Vanden Saab said:
I have been a cyclist for almost 60 years and at no point in that time have I ever tried to barge through the narrow gap between a pedestrian and a busy road as the cyclist did.
Twice I've had a nutter in front of me shouting abuse at me as this woman was and trying to block the path in front of me and both times I opted to speed up and sneak past. Unless you want to stop and and engage in a potentially violent row with a loon that's your only option. Slowing down to engage with angry people is never a good idea, there are very few people who are looking for trouble and would think "great I'll stop and get stuck in".In the case the cyclist's only escape path was to drop onto the busy road which wasn't an option for the reasons we sadly saw.
BikeBikeBIke said:
Vanden Saab said:
I have been a cyclist for almost 60 years and at no point in that time have I ever tried to barge through the narrow gap between a pedestrian and a busy road as the cyclist did.
Twice I've had a nutter in front of me shouting abuse at me as this woman was and trying to block the path in front of me and both times I opted to speed up and sneak past. Unless you want to stop and and engage in a potentially violent row with a loon that's your only option. Slowing down to engage with angry people is never a good idea, there are very few people who are looking for trouble and would think "great I'll stop and get stuck in".In the case the cyclist's only escape path was to drop onto the busy road which wasn't an option for the reasons we sadly saw.
That it has happened to you more than once is no surprise. We have a shared path locally which has a long gradient as it used to be an old railway line. The bicycle speed limit is 10mph due to the high number of dogs and walkers who use it. Needless to say there are often cyclists flying down the hill weaving in and out of the walkers and putting everybody at risk. No doubt one of those will be you...
Vanden Saab is, at best, a troll and, at worst, a liability to vulnerable road users who should not be allowed to share the road with them while using a motor vehicle.
This was not some MAMIL on a 5k carbon road bike; it was a 77-year-old woman off to the shops. This nutter pushed her into the path of a car and fked off while she lay dying in the road, a point Vanden keeps glossing over.
To be fair, with the attitude displaced, the perpetrator and Vanden seem to be cut from the same cloth, so their sense of entitlement doesn't surprise me.
This was not some MAMIL on a 5k carbon road bike; it was a 77-year-old woman off to the shops. This nutter pushed her into the path of a car and f
ked off while she lay dying in the road, a point Vanden keeps glossing over.To be fair, with the attitude displaced, the perpetrator and Vanden seem to be cut from the same cloth, so their sense of entitlement doesn't surprise me.
Vanden Saab said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
Vanden Saab said:
I have been a cyclist for almost 60 years and at no point in that time have I ever tried to barge through the narrow gap between a pedestrian and a busy road as the cyclist did.
Twice I've had a nutter in front of me shouting abuse at me as this woman was and trying to block the path in front of me and both times I opted to speed up and sneak past. Unless you want to stop and and engage in a potentially violent row with a loon that's your only option. Slowing down to engage with angry people is never a good idea, there are very few people who are looking for trouble and would think "great I'll stop and get stuck in".In the case the cyclist's only escape path was to drop onto the busy road which wasn't an option for the reasons we sadly saw.
That it has happened to you more than once is no surprise. We have a shared path locally which has a long gradient as it used to be an old railway line. The bicycle speed limit is 10mph due to the high number of dogs and walkers who use it. Needless to say there are often cyclists flying down the hill weaving in and out of the walkers and putting everybody at risk. No doubt one of those will be you...
Type R Tom said:
Vanden Saab is, at best, a troll and, at worst, a liability to vulnerable road users who should not be allowed to share the road with them while using a motor vehicle.
This was not some MAMIL on a 5k carbon road bike; it was a 77-year-old woman off to the shops. This nutter pushed her into the path of a car and fked off while she lay dying in the road, a point Vanden keeps glossing over.
To be fair, with the attitude displaced, the perpetrator and Vanden seem to be cut from the same cloth, so their sense of entitlement doesn't surprise me.
I must confess when someone tells me they've never ever had an angry nutter try to confront them I do wonder if they might *be* the angry nutter. This was not some MAMIL on a 5k carbon road bike; it was a 77-year-old woman off to the shops. This nutter pushed her into the path of a car and f
ked off while she lay dying in the road, a point Vanden keeps glossing over.To be fair, with the attitude displaced, the perpetrator and Vanden seem to be cut from the same cloth, so their sense of entitlement doesn't surprise me.
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