Your voting intentions

[Dagnir]

Evanivitch said:

Here we go, the fantastic spiral the moment any female politician is discussed on PH.

And the moderators do not care, because it's their target demographic

Don't be so pathetic.

I think she's hideous and I'm allowed to comment as such.

[bitchstewie]

Dagnir said:

She looks like a witch!! A literal ginger crone!

Never far from the surface with some people is it.

[Dagnir]

Evanivitch said:

And there continues the misogynistic drivel. It's incredible how threatened the male ego can be, eh?

You don't live in the real world.

You live in a leftist fantasy where criticism of women is misogyny and I suppose criticism of Lammy would be racist too right?

[CivicDuties]

bhstewie said:

Dagnir said:

She looks like a witch!! A literal ginger crone!

Never far from the surface with some people is it.

Yep. Gingerism, pure and simple.

[Evanivitch]

Dagnir said:

Evanivitch said:

Here we go, the fantastic spiral the moment any female politician is discussed on PH.

And the moderators do not care, because it's their target demographic

Don't be so pathetic.

I think she's hideous and I'm allowed to comment as such.

You okay, hun?

Don't really see the obsession with commenting on a politicians attractiveness, seems to be a PH trolls first line of comment for every female politician. Imagine if you're female family members were judge by their attractiveness ahead of their professionalism.

[cossy400]

So SKS is now doubting his manifesto and saying it might not happen due to the Tories ruining the economy.

It's nothing new to lie I suppose.

[Stick Legs]

CivicDuties said:

We have general Elections every 4 or 5 years to allow people time to judge and change minds. The moment after a General Election takes place there's an official Opposition in place, and they are they to oppose and hold the elected government to account, from the outset, during its term. A referendum should be treated no differently, because everyone is entitled to express their view and campaign for anything they see fit at any time.

The 2016 referendum mandate has been carried out in its entirety despite widespread opposition during the process and plenty of evidence that the electorate has changed its mind, and there is no compulsion on anybody to "go along" with anything they disagree with at any time. Opposition is a cornerstone of democracy and is legitimate at any time. Your seeking to impose conditions which simply don't exist.

It is utterly perverse to shout "democracy, will of the people" when you win, and then shout "no, you may not have more democracy" when you find people disagree with the result.

The situation we've experienced since 2016 is an excellent illustration of why plebiscites on single subjects are an enormously bad idea, and governance should be performed through Parliament and our system of representative democracy. I don't want another referendum on the EU, I want to elect a government which will return us to the EU on a manifesto promise. But people and parties are entitled to campaign for another one at any time if they see fit, as I said there are no statues of limitation on democracy.

I agree 100%.

Plus the way that anyone who believes in Brexit hangs onto the idea that you can never have another referendum on the subject makes me laugh because it sounds so insecure, like they knew it was a fluke!

As it happens I think the referendum was a bad idea & having another one is a worse idea.

The issue was that remain had one option.
Leaving the EU had no detail on how & this was apparent almost immediately. The leave and remain options should have had 2 choices each:

Hard Remain - join the Euro and drop the pretence of being different.
Soft Remain - no further integration.

Soft Brexit - rule takers not makers & pretty much where we are now.
Hard Brexit - a free wheeling Singapore on Thames with a bonfire of regulation and protections.

Would have been a far more interesting result.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

Evanivitch said:

Dagnir said:

Evanivitch said:

Here we go, the fantastic spiral the moment any female politician is discussed on PH.

And the moderators do not care, because it's their target demographic

Don't be so pathetic.

I think she's hideous and I'm allowed to comment as such.

You okay, hun?

Don't really see the obsession with commenting on a politicians attractiveness, seems to be a PH trolls first line of comment for every female politician. Imagine if you're female family members were judge by their attractiveness ahead of their professionalism.

She is probably one of the least professional among the Labour Party. She called Tory voters scum. She is being investigated for potential tax fraud and is incapable of debate and rational argument because of her IQ.

None of that is misogyny. I haven't commented on her appearance at all. It is irrelevant.

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SWoll said:

S600BSB said:

Hopefully the public will be reminded of that fact during the campaign. A truly awful moment in our history.

Interesting that Simon Case in his evidence to the Covid Inquiry yesterday described Boris Johnson’s regime as “the worst governing ever seen”.

We need change.

Did Starmer immediately stand up and say "hold my pint"?

Modern politicians are almost entirely just different shades of st. Not defending the Tories in any way as have nothing but disgust for them and have never voted blue in my 30 years as a member of the electorate, but does anyone really thiink things would have been better had Labour been in charge during that period?

I wouldn't trust most of them to run a village hall, let alone a country.

Indeed.

I seem to remember Starmer heavily condemning opening up when we were in lockdown and that it should have been harder and longer.

But Tories and economy.

[Silvanus]

cossy400 said:

So SKS is now doubting his manifesto and saying it might not happen due to the Tories ruining the economy.

It's nothing new to lie I suppose.

Which manifesto is this? Labour haven't released their manifesto yet.

[bitchstewie]

Perhaps if any other Government had been in charge Case as an experienced Civil Servant would still be sat this week giving evidence about what he considered "the worst governing ever seen”.

But they weren't so he isn't and it's his opinion of the Johnson Government.

Perhaps if they hadn't been so busy partying and disregarding the rules and laws they expected the rest of us to live by they'd have done a better job.

Who knows.

[Evanivitch]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

She is probably one of the least professional among the Labour Party. She called Tory voters scum. She is being investigated for potential tax fraud and is incapable of debate and rational argument because of her IQ.

None of that is misogyny. I haven't commented on her appearance at all. It is irrelevant.

Where did she call Tory voters scum?
She's not being investigated for tax fraud.
She's a front bench minister that has debated and provided arguments throughout her career.

So given all that's false by yourself, you do seem to have only one direction of attack...

Evanivitch said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

I refer the honourable gentleman to the post I made earlier.

She's not speaking. She's just the eye candy for the hard or thinking. She's incapable of debate. You only have to see that famous piece where Andrew Neil took her apart.

Ah the misogynistic views of PH rise again.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

Silvanus said:

cossy400 said:

So SKS is now doubting his manifesto and saying it might not happen due to the Tories ruining the economy.

It's nothing new to lie I suppose.

Which manifesto is this? Labour haven't released their manifesto yet.

I think it was a speech he made this morning (might have been yesterday) where he said his Govt will serve the people. We might not be able to all the things that a Labour Govt would do immediately because of fiscal constraints left over from the Conservative administration.

That's the paraphrase anyway.

[chrispmartha]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

She is probably one of the least professional among the Labour Party. She called Tory voters scum. She is being investigated for potential tax fraud and is incapable of debate and rational argument because of her IQ.

None of that is misogyny. I haven't commented on her appearance at all. It is irrelevant.

She didn’t call tory voters scum.

[Silvanus]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Silvanus said:

cossy400 said:

So SKS is now doubting his manifesto and saying it might not happen due to the Tories ruining the economy.

It's nothing new to lie I suppose.

Which manifesto is this? Labour haven't released their manifesto yet.

I think it was a speech he made this morning (might have been yesterday) where he said his Govt will serve the people. We might not be able to all the things that a Labour Govt would do immediately because of fiscal constraints left over from the Conservative administration.

That's the paraphrase anyway.

Struggling to see what the issue is. I'd rather him say the above than promise things that can't be delivered.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

Evanivitch said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

She is probably one of the least professional among the Labour Party. She called Tory voters scum. She is being investigated for potential tax fraud and is incapable of debate and rational argument because of her IQ.

None of that is misogyny. I haven't commented on her appearance at all. It is irrelevant.

Where did she call Tory voters scum?
She's not being investigated for tax fraud.
She's a front bench minister that has debated and provided arguments throughout her career.

So given all that's false by yourself, you do seem to have only one direction of attack...

Evanivitch said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

I refer the honourable gentleman to the post I made earlier.

She's not speaking. She's just the eye candy for the hard or thinking. She's incapable of debate. You only have to see that famous piece where Andrew Neil took her apart.

Ah the misogynistic views of PH rise again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59081482

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68885428
It's not difficult to find.

Eta: Easier to find than to actually post a link that works.

Edited by Jordie Barretts sock on Friday 24th May 11:43

[chrispmartha]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Silvanus said:

cossy400 said:

So SKS is now doubting his manifesto and saying it might not happen due to the Tories ruining the economy.

It's nothing new to lie I suppose.

Which manifesto is this? Labour haven't released their manifesto yet.

I think it was a speech he made this morning (might have been yesterday) where he said his Govt will serve the people. We might not be able to all the things that a Labour Govt would do immediately because of fiscal constraints left over from the Conservative administration.

That's the paraphrase anyway.

So not a manifesto then.

Would you prefer them to lie to you and promise the earth?

[bitchstewie]

Silvanus said:

Struggling to see what the issue is. I'd rather him say the above than promise things that can't be delivered.

Promise you'll do everything "It's Labour you can't trust them with the economy it's just spend spend spend".

Say you may not be able to do everything "It's Labour you can't trust them to do what they say they'll do".

It does seem a bit like chucking someone in a pond to see if they're a witch.

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chrispmartha said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

She is probably one of the least professional among the Labour Party. She called Tory voters scum. She is being investigated for potential tax fraud and is incapable of debate and rational argument because of her IQ.

None of that is misogyny. I haven't commented on her appearance at all. It is irrelevant.

She didn’t call tory voters scum.

"Her comments came after a man was sentenced for sending a threatening email telling her to "watch your back and kids".

How does her comment even translate to Tory ministers then?

[Evanivitch]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59081482

[url]BBC News - A simple guide to the Angela Rayner house row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68885428[/u...
It's not difficult to find.

Neither of which support your statements.