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Britain's Green Agenda Faces Rollback
Britain has witnessed the dramatic slide of environmentalism down the political agenda. As he prepares to travel to South Africa today the green credentials of Mr Huhne's own government are being questioned at home. The Prime Minister's decision to cut funding for household solar energy has sparked a revolt of business leaders, councils, environment campaigners and unions. His aide Steve Hilton, who suggested the husky trip, has told officials he is "not sure" he believes the climate-change theory. Mr Hilton has become a big fan of the former chancellor Nigel Lawson, one of the most persuasive and vocal critics of the global warming lobby. The two have discussed the issue. Environmentalists fear there is now a lack of political momentum behind the green agenda.
Brian Brady and Matt Chorely, The Independent on Sunday, 4 December 2011
Let's hope that the 'fear' of deluded greens is justified. So far it seems so.
Britain has witnessed the dramatic slide of environmentalism down the political agenda. As he prepares to travel to South Africa today the green credentials of Mr Huhne's own government are being questioned at home. The Prime Minister's decision to cut funding for household solar energy has sparked a revolt of business leaders, councils, environment campaigners and unions. His aide Steve Hilton, who suggested the husky trip, has told officials he is "not sure" he believes the climate-change theory. Mr Hilton has become a big fan of the former chancellor Nigel Lawson, one of the most persuasive and vocal critics of the global warming lobby. The two have discussed the issue. Environmentalists fear there is now a lack of political momentum behind the green agenda.
Brian Brady and Matt Chorely, The Independent on Sunday, 4 December 2011
Let's hope that the 'fear' of deluded greens is justified. So far it seems so.
bigdog3 said:
mackie1 said:
Is it just me or does that ship look stationary and that bear is just being curious?
You've just hit the nail on the head 
Edited by Apache on Tuesday 6th December 09:21
The Prime Minister's Aide has told officials he is "not sure" he believes the climate-change theory. Mr Hilton has become a big fan of the former chancellor Nigel Lawson, one of the most persuasive and vocal critics of the global warming lobby. The two have discussed the issue.
Thanks for pointing this out, TB.
This is very good news. People within the PM's own circle are now doubting MMGW.
Either that, or the poor man will be sacked shortly
Thanks for pointing this out, TB.
This is very good news. People within the PM's own circle are now doubting MMGW.
Either that, or the poor man will be sacked shortly
Apache said:
bigdog3 said:
mackie1 said:
Is it just me or does that ship look stationary and that bear is just being curious?
You've just hit the nail on the head 
odyssey2200 said:
While I hate to resort to using this picture, I think it quite apt.
This bear now represents the Warmists with their "science", political will, funding and credibility melting away from underneath them.
Touche!
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/fiddling-while-...This bear now represents the Warmists with their "science", political will, funding and credibility melting away from underneath them.
Touche!
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turbobloke said:
The crisis is presumably that photoshopping of images to falsely portray a crisis has been discovered to be worse than previously thought, or that fiddling around with costly but baseless green taxes while the country freezes is going to kill a lot more people (again).
Surely when the inevitable truth wins out there will be grounds for relatives to claim on the grounds of gross negligence?Heard from the Beeb yet old chap?
Apache said:
turbobloke said:
The crisis is presumably that photoshopping of images to falsely portray a crisis has been discovered to be worse than previously thought, or that fiddling around with costly but baseless green taxes while the country freezes is going to kill a lot more people (again).
Surely when the inevitable truth wins out there will be grounds for relatives to claim on the grounds of gross negligence?Heard from the Beeb yet old chap?
My 'complaint' went in via a political avenue and I'm awaiting developments.
The Pathetic State Of Science Journalism
Science journalism is not about taking sides, or about being a cheerleader. It's about shaking the tree, about asking awkward questions, about standing in the place of those who can't ask such questions, and being persistent, unpopular and dogged. It's about moral authority, something science in BBC News has lost. Science and science journalism are needed. Journalists should portray where the weight of evidence lies, but that is the least they should do, and they should not look to scientists for guidance anymore than an artist asks a bowl of cherries for advice about how to draw them! They should criticise, highlight errors, make a counterbalancing case if it will stand up, but don't censor, even by elimination, don't be complacent and say the science is settled in areas that are still contentious. The history of science and of journalism is full of those reduced to footnotes because they followed that doctrine.
Dr David Whitehouse, Huffington Post, 06 December 2011
Two of the most vigorous advocates of the manmade global warming theory claim that the Earth's temperature has definitely risen even once Pacific ocean fluctuations and volcanoes are discounted, in a paper published by the Institute of Physics journal Environmental Research Letters. It just hasn't risen by very much. "It's a case of making statistics show what you want it to prove in the first place," astrophysicist and science author Dr David Whitehouse told us. "I don't believe you can take away three big effects, and be sure the little effects you've got left are due to man." "Statistics can be useful as a tool to discover things you couldn't otherwise find. Or they can be used to prove things you want to prove. This looks like the latter."
Andrew Orlowski, The Register, 06 December 2011
Science journalism is not about taking sides, or about being a cheerleader. It's about shaking the tree, about asking awkward questions, about standing in the place of those who can't ask such questions, and being persistent, unpopular and dogged. It's about moral authority, something science in BBC News has lost. Science and science journalism are needed. Journalists should portray where the weight of evidence lies, but that is the least they should do, and they should not look to scientists for guidance anymore than an artist asks a bowl of cherries for advice about how to draw them! They should criticise, highlight errors, make a counterbalancing case if it will stand up, but don't censor, even by elimination, don't be complacent and say the science is settled in areas that are still contentious. The history of science and of journalism is full of those reduced to footnotes because they followed that doctrine.
Dr David Whitehouse, Huffington Post, 06 December 2011
Two of the most vigorous advocates of the manmade global warming theory claim that the Earth's temperature has definitely risen even once Pacific ocean fluctuations and volcanoes are discounted, in a paper published by the Institute of Physics journal Environmental Research Letters. It just hasn't risen by very much. "It's a case of making statistics show what you want it to prove in the first place," astrophysicist and science author Dr David Whitehouse told us. "I don't believe you can take away three big effects, and be sure the little effects you've got left are due to man." "Statistics can be useful as a tool to discover things you couldn't otherwise find. Or they can be used to prove things you want to prove. This looks like the latter."
Andrew Orlowski, The Register, 06 December 2011
Public support for tackling climate change declines dramatically...
This as the ramping up of Green taxes has only just begun.
This as the ramping up of Green taxes has only just begun.
nelly1 said:
Public support for tackling climate change declines dramatically...
This as the ramping up of Green taxes has only just begun.
This must partly explain the BBC's policy of getting Radio 2 presenters to keep mentioning the last episode of Frozen Planet, to try and get as many people as possible to listen to the manmade up warming propaganda put out on their behalf by Attenborough. This as the ramping up of Green taxes has only just begun.
Earlier in the week Chris Evans was at it, today it was (at least) Steve Wright who proudly announced that, of the countries not showing the last episode with the warmist gospel in, the USA had relented.
Those watching in the UK will likely be doing so with the central heating on and an eye on their bills, taxes and the further hikes to come.
turbobloke said:
Those watching in the UK will likely be doing so with the central heating on and an eye on their bills, taxes and the further hikes to come.
Or with their central heating turned right down because it's too expensive to run. 15 deg C can be tolerated with many layers of clothing. Just a matter of getting acclimatised 
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