Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9
Discussion
Watching Drew Hendry on Newsnight is gobsmacking.
The kernel of the U.K. gov’s approach is clear: there will be a list of countries that will not require quarantine.
Sturgeon has insisted that that quarantine is not within the U.K.’s gift and if quarantine is needed then scotland will still insist on isolation and no unrestricted travel into Scottish airports.
So obviously the U.K. is not running a whole U.K. policy at the insistence of the Scottish gov.
Newsnight rightly querying some of the mechanics of this.
Will people be able to travel to and from Scotland to rUK airports and travel overseas?
How will this be policed?
How will Scotland assemble its own policy on a whitelist?
Drew’s response: not for us to answer. We’re wanting a whole U.K. response. The confusion is caused by the U.K. gov not being clear on which countries are on the list and not consulting (subtext the U.K. approach should follow Scottish policy).
Really? So you have decided to ‘eradicate’ the virus, which is not U.K. policy.
You have therefore decided to diverge in terms of policies to control the virus including travel restrictions etc
And then you have the brass balls to say this is a U.K. gov problem to resolve?
f
k off.
If I were in U.K. gov I would be letting her twist in the breeze and try and explain how she intends to manage the consequences of her own policies, as well as explaining why holidays are cancelled in Scotland this year. Muppets.
The kernel of the U.K. gov’s approach is clear: there will be a list of countries that will not require quarantine.
Sturgeon has insisted that that quarantine is not within the U.K.’s gift and if quarantine is needed then scotland will still insist on isolation and no unrestricted travel into Scottish airports.
So obviously the U.K. is not running a whole U.K. policy at the insistence of the Scottish gov.
Newsnight rightly querying some of the mechanics of this.
Will people be able to travel to and from Scotland to rUK airports and travel overseas?
How will this be policed?
How will Scotland assemble its own policy on a whitelist?
Drew’s response: not for us to answer. We’re wanting a whole U.K. response. The confusion is caused by the U.K. gov not being clear on which countries are on the list and not consulting (subtext the U.K. approach should follow Scottish policy).
Really? So you have decided to ‘eradicate’ the virus, which is not U.K. policy.
You have therefore decided to diverge in terms of policies to control the virus including travel restrictions etc
And then you have the brass balls to say this is a U.K. gov problem to resolve?
f
k off.If I were in U.K. gov I would be letting her twist in the breeze and try and explain how she intends to manage the consequences of her own policies, as well as explaining why holidays are cancelled in Scotland this year. Muppets.
Edited by Ridgemont on Thursday 2nd July 23:45
Ridgemont said:
Watching Drew Hendry on Newsnight is gobsmacking.
The kernel of the U.K. gov’s approach is clear: there will be a list of countries that will not require quarantine.
Sturgeon has insisted that that quarantine is not within the U.K.’s gift and if quarantine is needed then scotland will still insist on isolation and no unrestricted travel into Scottish airports.
So obviously the U.K. is not running a whole U.K. policy at the insistence of the Scottish gov.
Newsnight rightly querying some of the mechanics of this.
Will people be able to travel to and from Scotland to rUK airports and travel overseas?
How will this be policed?
How will Scotland assemble its own policy on a whitelist?
Drew’s response: not for us to answer. We’re wanting a whole U.K. response. The confusion is caused by the U.K. gov not being clear on which countries are on the list and not consulting (subtext the U.K. approach should follow Scottish policy).
Really? So you have decided to ‘eradicate’ the virus, which is not U.K. policy.
You have therefore decided to diverge in terms of policies to control the virus including travel restrictions etc
And then you have the brass balls to say this is a U.K. gov problem to resolve?
fk off.
If I were in U.K. gov I would be letting her twist in the breeze and try and explain how she intends to manage the consequences of her own policies, as well as explaining why holidays are cancelled in Scotland this year. Muppets.
In following an approach of 'eradication' (whatever that actually means) Sturgeon has created a rod for her own back. I agree that Boris doesn't have to do anything, just sit there and watch with amusement as Sturgeon attempts to 'square the circle'. All of her own making of course.The kernel of the U.K. gov’s approach is clear: there will be a list of countries that will not require quarantine.
Sturgeon has insisted that that quarantine is not within the U.K.’s gift and if quarantine is needed then scotland will still insist on isolation and no unrestricted travel into Scottish airports.
So obviously the U.K. is not running a whole U.K. policy at the insistence of the Scottish gov.
Newsnight rightly querying some of the mechanics of this.
Will people be able to travel to and from Scotland to rUK airports and travel overseas?
How will this be policed?
How will Scotland assemble its own policy on a whitelist?
Drew’s response: not for us to answer. We’re wanting a whole U.K. response. The confusion is caused by the U.K. gov not being clear on which countries are on the list and not consulting (subtext the U.K. approach should follow Scottish policy).
Really? So you have decided to ‘eradicate’ the virus, which is not U.K. policy.
You have therefore decided to diverge in terms of policies to control the virus including travel restrictions etc
And then you have the brass balls to say this is a U.K. gov problem to resolve?
f
k off.If I were in U.K. gov I would be letting her twist in the breeze and try and explain how she intends to manage the consequences of her own policies, as well as explaining why holidays are cancelled in Scotland this year. Muppets.
Edited by Ridgemont on Thursday 2nd July 23:45
Ridgemont said:
Watching Drew Hendry on Newsnight is gobsmacking.
The kernel of the U.K. gov’s approach is clear: there will be a list of countries that will not require quarantine.
Sturgeon has insisted that that quarantine is not within the U.K.’s gift and if quarantine is needed then scotland will still insist on isolation and no unrestricted travel into Scottish airports.
So obviously the U.K. is not running a whole U.K. policy at the insistence of the Scottish gov.
Newsnight rightly querying some of the mechanics of this.
Will people be able to travel to and from Scotland to rUK airports and travel overseas?
How will this be policed?
How will Scotland assemble its own policy on a whitelist?
Drew’s response: not for us to answer. We’re wanting a whole U.K. response. The confusion is caused by the U.K. gov not being clear on which countries are on the list and not consulting (subtext the U.K. approach should follow Scottish policy).]
Drew Hendry is representative of the complete dearth of talent and ability that exists within the SNP cabal both at Westminster and Holyrood.The kernel of the U.K. gov’s approach is clear: there will be a list of countries that will not require quarantine.
Sturgeon has insisted that that quarantine is not within the U.K.’s gift and if quarantine is needed then scotland will still insist on isolation and no unrestricted travel into Scottish airports.
So obviously the U.K. is not running a whole U.K. policy at the insistence of the Scottish gov.
Newsnight rightly querying some of the mechanics of this.
Will people be able to travel to and from Scotland to rUK airports and travel overseas?
How will this be policed?
How will Scotland assemble its own policy on a whitelist?
Drew’s response: not for us to answer. We’re wanting a whole U.K. response. The confusion is caused by the U.K. gov not being clear on which countries are on the list and not consulting (subtext the U.K. approach should follow Scottish policy).]
Don't forget, they aren't the ones politicising a pandemic, apparently... jeez.
In other news, SNP Westminster #2 Kirsty Blackman has decided to resign from that role. The response from the majority of the UK electorate was "Who...?" I'm sure she will be sadly missed.
Roderick Spode said:
Ridgemont said:
Watching Drew Hendry on Newsnight is gobsmacking.
The kernel of the U.K. gov’s approach is clear: there will be a list of countries that will not require quarantine.
Sturgeon has insisted that that quarantine is not within the U.K.’s gift and if quarantine is needed then scotland will still insist on isolation and no unrestricted travel into Scottish airports.
So obviously the U.K. is not running a whole U.K. policy at the insistence of the Scottish gov.
Newsnight rightly querying some of the mechanics of this.
Will people be able to travel to and from Scotland to rUK airports and travel overseas?
How will this be policed?
How will Scotland assemble its own policy on a whitelist?
Drew’s response: not for us to answer. We’re wanting a whole U.K. response. The confusion is caused by the U.K. gov not being clear on which countries are on the list and not consulting (subtext the U.K. approach should follow Scottish policy).]
Drew Hendry is representative of the complete dearth of talent and ability that exists within the SNP cabal both at Westminster and Holyrood.The kernel of the U.K. gov’s approach is clear: there will be a list of countries that will not require quarantine.
Sturgeon has insisted that that quarantine is not within the U.K.’s gift and if quarantine is needed then scotland will still insist on isolation and no unrestricted travel into Scottish airports.
So obviously the U.K. is not running a whole U.K. policy at the insistence of the Scottish gov.
Newsnight rightly querying some of the mechanics of this.
Will people be able to travel to and from Scotland to rUK airports and travel overseas?
How will this be policed?
How will Scotland assemble its own policy on a whitelist?
Drew’s response: not for us to answer. We’re wanting a whole U.K. response. The confusion is caused by the U.K. gov not being clear on which countries are on the list and not consulting (subtext the U.K. approach should follow Scottish policy).]
Don't forget, they aren't the ones politicising a pandemic, apparently... jeez.
In other news, SNP Westminster #2 Kirsty Blackman has decided to resign from that role. The response from the majority of the UK electorate was "Who...?" I'm sure she will be sadly missed.
Shambler said:
Is Sturgeon going out of her way to cause mass unemployment so she can claim it's the UK governments fault. This would certainly be believed by the hoi polloi and cement the cause for independence in her eyes. A crazy idea but believable, as Mammys quest is paramount.
Whether it's intentional or not, her overwhelming desire to be different from 'England' will have that effect long-term. Any prospect of tourism north of the border has been killed stone dead this year by the pontifications of the SNP - elected representatives retweeting and publicising 'Welcome to Scotland' signs with "We're shut, f**k off" photoshopped onto them.https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/senior...
A sinister undertone of bitter Anglophobia has always pervaded the SNP, but the pandemic has given it an opportunity for a very public airing. Hence Sturgeon's focus on the border areas, and some of the vile tweets and social media posts from their slavish and devoted footsoldiers amongst the hardline cybernats calling for the border to be shut "tae keep they English bastirts oot". It will be interesting to see how this develops - closing imaginary borders is not within the remit of the pretendy Shortbread Senate or Foghorn Dreghorn, I don't imagine the real government at Westminster will sit back and allow it to happen. Send in a few battalions and a couple of gunboats up the Clyde and Forth, close down the Holyrood talking shop, pack WJK off to her retirement home in Portugal. Remove a completely useless tier of government and save us all a fortune.
Roderick Spode said:
In other news, SNP Westminster #2 Kirsty Blackman has decided to resign from that role. The response from the majority of the UK electorate was "Who...?" I'm sure she will be sadly missed.
She'll now have more time to wash that collection of scarves she always wears.She is citing the mental anguish of the lockdown as the reason, so it seems rather strange that she has chosen the period when it seems to be easing to stand down, and if CV-19 hadn't happened she would probably have cited the mental anguish of Brexit as the reason.
I suspect this has more to do with the recent directive of 'no dual remits' for SNP members holding political office. The timing is just too convenient. Expect her name to appear on a ballot paper or the national list at the 2021 Holyrood election......
Edited by Evercross on Friday 3rd July 09:43
Evercross said:
I suspect this has more to do with the recent directive of 'no dual remits' for SNP members holding political office. Expect her name to appear on a ballot paper or the national list at the 2021 Holyrood election......
Quite possibly, although she isn't resigning as an MP - too much troughing of the old expenses to indulge in for that, and seeing as she would be completely unemployable in a 'normal' job, best to keep hoovering up the big salary and free money whilst doing the square root of f**k all for as long as possible. A friend had her as a local councillor, and said she was utterly useless in that endeavour too.I suspect the directive above is a rearguard action diktat from Nipoleon to protect against the advances of Baron Von Cherry, as she enviously covets the position of First Minister, supported and bankrolled by the Ecktopus himself. Patiently waiting for the SNP internal Cold War to end, and the Civil War to get down and dirty. Won't be long now. Industrial grade popcorn at the ready.
Roderick Spode said:
Whether it's intentional or not, her overwhelming desire to be different from 'England' will have that effect long-term. Any prospect of tourism north of the border has been killed stone dead this year by the pontifications of the SNP - elected representatives retweeting and publicising 'Welcome to Scotland' signs with "We're shut, f**k off" photoshopped onto them.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/senior...
A sinister undertone of bitter Anglophobia has always pervaded the SNP, but the pandemic has given it an opportunity for a very public airing. Hence Sturgeon's focus on the border areas, and some of the vile tweets and social media posts from their slavish and devoted footsoldiers amongst the hardline cybernats calling for the border to be shut "tae keep they English bastirts oot". It will be interesting to see how this develops - closing imaginary borders is not within the remit of the pretendy Shortbread Senate or Foghorn Dreghorn, I don't imagine the real government at Westminster will sit back and allow it to happen. Send in a few battalions and a couple of gunboats up the Clyde and Forth, close down the Holyrood talking shop, pack WJK off to her retirement home in Portugal. Remove a completely useless tier of government and save us all a fortune.
I’ve found in times of crisis people’s true colours are shown. It’s quite telling that from two weeks into the pandemic and onwards, the usual euphemisms of Tories, Westminster, UK Government and Boris Johnson have decreased in intensity and been replaced by the true hate figure - England and the English.https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/senior...
A sinister undertone of bitter Anglophobia has always pervaded the SNP, but the pandemic has given it an opportunity for a very public airing. Hence Sturgeon's focus on the border areas, and some of the vile tweets and social media posts from their slavish and devoted footsoldiers amongst the hardline cybernats calling for the border to be shut "tae keep they English bastirts oot". It will be interesting to see how this develops - closing imaginary borders is not within the remit of the pretendy Shortbread Senate or Foghorn Dreghorn, I don't imagine the real government at Westminster will sit back and allow it to happen. Send in a few battalions and a couple of gunboats up the Clyde and Forth, close down the Holyrood talking shop, pack WJK off to her retirement home in Portugal. Remove a completely useless tier of government and save us all a fortune.
Roderick Spode said:
Whether it's intentional or not, her overwhelming desire to be different from 'England' will have that effect long-term. Any prospect of tourism north of the border has been killed stone dead this year by the pontifications of the SNP - elected representatives retweeting and publicising 'Welcome to Scotland' signs with "We're shut, f**k off" photoshopped onto them.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/senior...
A sinister undertone of bitter Anglophobia has always pervaded the SNP, but the pandemic has given it an opportunity for a very public airing. Hence Sturgeon's focus on the border areas, and some of the vile tweets and social media posts from their slavish and devoted footsoldiers amongst the hardline cybernats calling for the border to be shut "tae keep they English bastirts oot". It will be interesting to see how this develops - closing imaginary borders is not within the remit of the pretendy Shortbread Senate or Foghorn Dreghorn, I don't imagine the real government at Westminster will sit back and allow it to happen. Send in a few battalions and a couple of gunboats up the Clyde and Forth, close down the Holyrood talking shop, pack WJK off to her retirement home in Portugal. Remove a completely useless tier of government and save us all a fortune.
The irony of Blackford complaining about Gaiman travelling from New Zealand (total cases Nada/Nuffink/Zilch) to Skye and his own scuttle from London (bazillions of cases) to Skye after the start of lockdown.https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/senior...
A sinister undertone of bitter Anglophobia has always pervaded the SNP, but the pandemic has given it an opportunity for a very public airing. Hence Sturgeon's focus on the border areas, and some of the vile tweets and social media posts from their slavish and devoted footsoldiers amongst the hardline cybernats calling for the border to be shut "tae keep they English bastirts oot". It will be interesting to see how this develops - closing imaginary borders is not within the remit of the pretendy Shortbread Senate or Foghorn Dreghorn, I don't imagine the real government at Westminster will sit back and allow it to happen. Send in a few battalions and a couple of gunboats up the Clyde and Forth, close down the Holyrood talking shop, pack WJK off to her retirement home in Portugal. Remove a completely useless tier of government and save us all a fortune.
He is an utterly loathsome s
tehawk.https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18478298.coron...
Roderick Spode said:
Quite possibly, although she isn't resigning as an MP.
Time for that yet.Roderick Spode said:
I suspect the directive above is a rearguard action diktat from Nipoleon to protect against the advances of Baron Von Cherry, as she enviously covets the position of First Minister, supported and bankrolled by the Ecktopus himself.
That is exactly why it was passed, what other reason could there be? Again the timing is just too convenient. As for Blackman - she is a Sturgeonite and a known face in certain parts of Scotland (where she used to be a councillor) and I reckon Nippy is throwing a line to her and other loyal subjects in Westminster with a promise of selection for the 2021 election to shore up her support in Holyrood because ultimately that is what will make or break her continued tenure as FM. The SNP could (and probably will) win in 2021 but if the party is split internally (and all the mood music tells us that it is) and she does not have enough allies then she is going to have a hard time of it regardless.Risking one or two Westminster by-election seats falling into the hands of Salmondistas (or Cherry Bakewells) or even an opposition party is worth it because down there they are at arms length to her, plus ultimately the SNP in Westminster are just noise.
This little piece of news flew under the radar thanks to the ongoing 'non-politicisation' of Covid. Even The National reported it with a hint of glee!
Edited by Evercross on Friday 3rd July 11:26
Evercross said:
This little piece of news flew under the radar thanks to the ongoing 'non-politicisation' of Covid. Even The National reported it with a hint of glee!
Oh my. Now that really is a doozie of a haymaker. The head wobble will be on overdrive, and those new shredders at Bute House will be knackered. I look forward to Foghorn Dreghorn and Narnia Pete being found in contempt for lying under oath. Salmond has the knives out, and the legal firepower to take them down. FN2TypeR said:
This is gonna be fun. 
Yup. It is quite comical that the Nationalists are all being so self-congratulatory about how Nicola has 'handled' the Covid crisis and how that makes her a shoe-in for Holyrood 2021, but they lose sight of the fact that it is only the strength of the party behind her that places her there. There is nothing in the rules that says the SNP cannot reign on with someone else at the helm.Politicians are by their nature ambitious and there is always a willing replacement standing behind every leader with the knife poised. Cherry wants the job and she's in a win-win situation. While Nicola rides high in the personal ratings let her do all the heavy lifting until the next election and then start shouting for indyref two/UDI/Plan B. If something comes along that dents that sky-high popularity then go for a quick change of leader in advance of the election to 'preserve the momentum', all as has been already said bankrolled by Nippy's erstwhile pal and current nemesis. and his friends in low places.
If anyone is in any doubt that Salmond is coming for Nicola and wants his pound of flesh then they should ask themselves why the enquiry is going ahead at all? It would be easy to bury it or kick it into the long grass if Nicola held a full grip on power.
Edited by Evercross on Friday 3rd July 12:40
Roderick Spode said:
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I suspect the directive above is a rearguard action diktat from Nipoleon to protect against the advances of Baron Von Cherry, as she enviously covets the position of First Minister, supported and bankrolled by the Ecktopus himself. Patiently waiting for the SNP internal Cold War to end, and the Civil War to get down and dirty. Won't be long now. Industrial grade popcorn at the ready.
Induced a smile - reminds me of Robert Rankin prose and will use it during home schooling as good characterisations. Brilliant I suspect the directive above is a rearguard action diktat from Nipoleon to protect against the advances of Baron Von Cherry, as she enviously covets the position of First Minister, supported and bankrolled by the Ecktopus himself. Patiently waiting for the SNP internal Cold War to end, and the Civil War to get down and dirty. Won't be long now. Industrial grade popcorn at the ready.
Sturgeon incredulous - UK government taking a pounding for making changes to the air bridge list despite the Scottish CMO being part of the process.
What about her chaotic approach to the border, to face masks, to hospitality, to schools, to 2m v 1m. None of that has been a shambles. Her st don’t stink.
Not politicising this though.
She’s getting worse and worse as this crisis goes on, anyone other than the chest thumping nationalists can see that.
She’ll also agree to the list of air bridges on Monday, without a fking doubt.
What about her chaotic approach to the border, to face masks, to hospitality, to schools, to 2m v 1m. None of that has been a shambles. Her s
t don’t stink.Not politicising this though.
She’s getting worse and worse as this crisis goes on, anyone other than the chest thumping nationalists can see that.
She’ll also agree to the list of air bridges on Monday, without a f
king doubt.CraigV6 said:
She’s getting worse and worse as this crisis goes on, anyone other than the chest thumping nationalists can see that.
Nicola should be apologising to that poor BBC correspondent who said she was 'enjoying the opportunity to make her own rules'. As the time passes it is becoming more and more apparent that Nicola has been using this crisis to grandstand - enjoying hours and hours of TV screen-time that had it been paid for out of party funds would have bankrupted them, and unlike the UK briefings always feature her centre stage, only ever deferring to ministers and experts at her behest.Of course she is now incredulous that things are changing - the crisis is abating and her opportunity to capitalise with it. No wonder she has made 'elimination' or 'eradication' her end-game because it gives her an excuse to eke-out the media attention to the very last day of the outbreak and to keep all other political distractions (including the plot to dethrone her) in the wings for as long as possible.
By pouring the adulation on her for her 'handling' of this crisis, Sturgeon's acolytes have galvanised Scotland's political stasis. The world and everyone in it wants to move on from this crisis, with one notable exception!
Edited by Evercross on Friday 3rd July 13:38
sambucket said:
What are her current approval ratings like?
See above. If you ask that thinking the answer is a good thing then you are part of the problem.A little quote for you and every else....
"We are at the peak of a crisis led by a leader who is widely respected and trusted. However, when the peak of the crisis is over, that won’t be enough. After the Second World War voters chose not the leader who won the war but Clement Attlee, who had a radical plan for the peace."
Guess who said this (and no cheating please).
Edited by Evercross on Friday 3rd July 13:43
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