How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)
Discussion
loafer123 said:
Yet another question.
No, I will not answer your questions any more - I have done so in the past and watched many others engage with you and it is futile - despite the fact that your questions have been answered many times, you keep asking the same things.
There are a few possible reasons for that;
1 You are deliberately trolling, possibly even paid to do so;
2 You are a bit thick;
3 You don't want to listen.
I actually don't care which it is - I am posting this for the benefit of others to explain what my perception of you is so that they can choose whether to bother engaging as well.
Have a good day - I'm off to do some work.
What about 4. All of the above?!No, I will not answer your questions any more - I have done so in the past and watched many others engage with you and it is futile - despite the fact that your questions have been answered many times, you keep asking the same things.
There are a few possible reasons for that;
1 You are deliberately trolling, possibly even paid to do so;
2 You are a bit thick;
3 You don't want to listen.
I actually don't care which it is - I am posting this for the benefit of others to explain what my perception of you is so that they can choose whether to bother engaging as well.
Have a good day - I'm off to do some work.
Edited by sidicks on Monday 20th August 09:44
ImonsterXI said:
crankedup said:
Still awake Giblit, my five year old grandson always watches recordings of ‘The Night Garden’
following which he gets tucked up in bed ready for sleepybyes.
He still watches In the Night Garden at 5?! I'm sorry you have a disabled Grandson and wish him the best life possible following which he gets tucked up in bed ready for sleepybyes.
Back on topic, it seems quite clear from the "f
k you" "nah fk you" "nah fk you" ad infinitum from the politicians down to us poor schmucks on a car forum that the matter has moved beyond Brexit to a matter of ego; both sides are now terrified that they will be on the the "losing" side at the end of all this which has hobbled all meaningful debate or action.The next few months are going to be very interesting.
The Dangerous Elk said:
I see the BBC are claiming (Steph @ Breakfast) that Greece has "finally sorted its finances out". That is good & quick then, now for the rest.
Yep, I saw that and the 'cheery' article about how the Eurozone is safe because Greece managed to survive 20-28% unemployment - like they didn't have a choice and everything must be sacrificed at the altar of the EU. Have to slap myself around the head sometimes as I can't believe how biased and brainwashed the BBC can be. :sad:vonuber said:
Why (and how) would the BBC as an entity be biased towards the EU, just out of interest?
Ask the BBC. As outsiders how can we know what happens in editorial meetings?What we can get from time to time is a glimpse afforded to us by credible people who've spent a lot of time immersed in beebosophy.
Peter Sissons: "Whatever the United Nations is associated with is good — it is heresy to question any of its activities. The EU is also a good thing, but not quite as good as the UN. Soaking the rich is good, despite well-founded economic arguments that the more you tax, the less you get. And Government spending is a good thing, although most BBC people prefer to call it investment"
Peter Sissons again: "By far the most popular and widely read newspapers at the BBC are The Guardian and The Independent. Producers refer to them routinely for the line to take on running stories, and for inspiration on which items to cover. In the later stages of my career, I lost count of the number of times I asked a producer for a brief on a story, only to be handed a copy of The Guardian and told ‘it’s all in there’."
He could be lying or wrong but I don't consider either of those options to be realistic.
Ghibli said:
alfie2244 said:
Ghibli said:
alfie2244 said:
Ghibli said:
alfie2244 said:
No idea.....she's too busy trying to sort out far more important issues for which she is in great demand despite retiring 5 yrs ago.
That's a shame, she could have explained what will happen in a no deal situation.A few yrs ago now but she was involved in nurse recruitment and travelled world-wide...that was until orders were given to concentrate in favour of EU recruitment thereby discriminating against Indians etc .....which given the 40k shortage and the lack of UK nurses may not have been the best of ideas....there may be a Brexit link there for you to chew on.
We should be ok though. The rest of the world will save the NHS now that we are leaving the EU.
Edited by Ghibli on Monday 20th August 06:46
It's almost as if people bury their heads in the sand in the hope that we will get a deal whilst half the government are rooting for a WTO no deal Brexit.
As for you calling me a silly little boy. what is the fascination that you and other PH leave voters have with young children.
For me the problem arises from the distrust of politicians and Corporate businesses. Collusion over the past thirty years has seen the rise in cheap labour for business to exploit, whilst those that manage the business have seen themselves prosper in a personal sense. Some regions of the Country have been culturally removed from thier historic backgrounds, visit some areas in Lincolnshire for evidence of this. Resentment has festered amongst local populations (right or wrong its facts.) Building sites and farming fruit and vegetables employ our EU friends suggesting that locals do not want the jobs, (because locals cannot live on the wages offered) which goes back to a low wage economy drivin by politicians over the past fourth years.
Hospitals are largely staffed by professionals from abroad, mainly because it offers those people a higher standard of living than back in thier native Countries perhaps. Whilst our professionals appear to be trained here and then move abroad for thier betterment of professional life.
In short Globalisation has certainly benefitted those at ‘the top’ whilst leaving behind those of lower order. Again this has created resentment and distrust, this can be seen across Europe as has been mentioned in this forum many times.
You can pick the bones out of this very very brief summary of course, basically mass dissatisfaction of the status quo is creating the malstrum of civil unrest. Currently this is simmering, nobody wants to see it boil over, time for change however great the risks imo.
mx5nut said:
There are some here desperate to convince the nation that they are too stupid to have a say on what we do now the facts are becoming clear, in case they vote the "wrong" way!
Errrrm....isn't it the Remain contingent who are usually desperate to tell people how thick voters were and that they didn't know what they were doing?It's ironic in the extreme to think that those same people seem to think people are now intelligent enough to have another bash at it.
Oh what a tangled web we weave
Still, on the bright side your mum seems to have given you your internet privileges back for the last couple of weeks of the school holidays - caught up on your homework now?
vonuber said:
Just out of interest, is it biased because it doesn't agree with your opinion?
And when it does is it not biased?
Why (and how) would the BBC as an entity be biased towards the EU, just out of interest?
BBC would do well to research and report findings deeper than simple headlines. How has Greece managed this amazing turnaround in its finances, that’s is where the interest is, far removed from a nonsical standalone headline.And when it does is it not biased?
Why (and how) would the BBC as an entity be biased towards the EU, just out of interest?
crankedup said:
Hospitals are largely staffed by professionals from abroad, mainly because it offers those people a higher standard of living than back in thier native Countries perhaps. Whilst our professionals appear to be trained here and then move abroad for thier betterment of professional life.
In short Globalisation has certainly benefitted those at ‘the top’ whilst leaving behind those of lower order. Again this has created resentment and distrust, this can be seen across Europe as has been mentioned in this forum many times.
You can pick the bones out of this very very brief summary of course, basically mass dissatisfaction of the status quo
I agree, but isn’t one of the main arguments of Brexit to speed this up? (ie be open to the best and brightest from the whole world, not just EU.In short Globalisation has certainly benefitted those at ‘the top’ whilst leaving behind those of lower order. Again this has created resentment and distrust, this can be seen across Europe as has been mentioned in this forum many times.
You can pick the bones out of this very very brief summary of course, basically mass dissatisfaction of the status quo
I emigrated from the UK in the early 90’s (to Asia) because it was more happening than the UK, Wisbech obviously one of those towns very highly impacted by EU immigration but no way could you have forced me to stay there in my 20’s, though I still have a nostalgic soft spot for the place
By the way, I disagree that globalisation has been bad for the lower orders. The growth in opportunity and living standards I have seen with my own eyes in China, India and Indonesia has been breathtaking over the last 30 years, and they were much ‘lower order’ than the UK, but I guess it depends on your point of reference
crankedup said:
vonuber said:
Just out of interest, is it biased because it doesn't agree with your opinion?
And when it does is it not biased?
Why (and how) would the BBC as an entity be biased towards the EU, just out of interest?
BBC would do well to research and report findings deeper than simple headlines. How has Greece managed this amazing turnaround in its finances, that’s is where the interest is, far removed from a nonsical standalone headline.And when it does is it not biased?
Why (and how) would the BBC as an entity be biased towards the EU, just out of interest?
crankedup said:
BBC would do well to research and report findings deeper than simple headlines. How has Greece managed this amazing turnaround in its finances, that’s is where the interest is, far removed from a nonsical standalone headline.
Their own pages note that Greece hasn't really...Another 40yrs+ of being under the EU Commission's beady eye...Greece's problems are very, very far from over.
I'm not sure the BBC is alone in its spin. I don't think a rag exists these days that doesn't have an agenda - it seems in the media as in politics as in everything, you need to be at the extremes of a point of view if you are to be heard at all.
Ghibli said:
loafer123 said:
They are answering, you just aren't listening.
Can you link up where they have answered the question of what will happen to the NHS in the event of no deal.People have been asking what medicines and saying that the doctors don't know what they are talking about. It doesn't answer the question though.
wisbech said:
By the way, I disagree that globalisation has been bad for the lower orders. The growth in opportunity and living standards I have seen with my own eyes in China, India and Indonesia has been breathtaking over the last 30 years, and they were much ‘lower order’ than the UK, but I guess it depends on your point of reference
Yes agreed Globalisation has been good for some lower order Countries, average living standards have risen in the U.K. as well but this trend has now stopped. For the older generation at the moment ‘our’ living standards are higher than our children’s are likely to be, with greater wealth and better pensions. This initself is causing resentment towards the ‘baby boomers’ from the younger people. ‘ The ‘you stole our futures’ is a common theme. In truth the politicians have done that, but it’s another problem The EU is not helping imo it has exasperated the growing divisions between generations and relative wealth gaps which are now growing. You mention the emerging economies, quite rightly. These economies are the future investment areas, businesses are moving out from the past wealth Nations into the new cheap labour growth regions of the World. Perhaps it’s a natural cycle like ‘boom and bust’. Only my thoughts btw.
turbobloke said:
Peter Sissons again: "By far the most popular and widely read newspapers at the BBC are The Guardian and The Independent. Producers refer to them routinely for the line to take on running stories, and for inspiration on which items to cover. In the later stages of my career, I lost count of the number of times I asked a producer for a brief on a story, only to be handed a copy of The Guardian and told ‘it’s all in there’."
He could be lying or wrong but I don't consider either of those options to be realistic.
I would say that's realistic. When a country is left with a 289billion (interest-free .. or they won't pay it) Euro loan, 25% reduction in GDP and 20%+ unemployment - and the BBC can still make it into good news. Looking forwards to their next article .. 'Things To Do in Venuzuela when you have one million percent inflation'!He could be lying or wrong but I don't consider either of those options to be realistic.
bristolracer said:
My prediction
A brexit the remainers hate
And
A brexit the brexiteers hate
Yep but nothing is for ever , one day we might get a Conservative government and it could all change !!!!A brexit the remainers hate
And
A brexit the brexiteers hate
wonder if we will ever see a conservative government ??? or has May finally finished them as a credible centre right
party , she has done her best to f
k up the law and order bit and has moved on to Brexit small government and enterprise to be screwed up .. is she a new labour plant or inthrall to the LDs f
king st whatever else you think of her !!! 
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