45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

[anonymous-user]

You are selective and judicious in your news choices, but it may be wrong to assume that all are, The mainstream press do not sell so many hard copies any more, but are still seen by a great many people, online and in hard copy, and have effect as opinion formers or opinion bolsterers.

[Boydie88]

I'm not selective. BBC is the only one I have saved simply to see what is the most read on there and see how it's being reported across a variety of YouTubers which is where a lot of my news comes from.

I actually partly agree, when you consider the Independent, Guardian and Metro in those mainstream rags continue to demonise anyone right of Corbyn they divide the country even more.

Edited by Boydie88 on Friday 3rd November 11:43

[minimoog]

This is the source of the above point BV72 made:

Vox article said:

There’s always been a conspiratorial and xenophobic fringe on the right, but it was (fitfully) held in place by gatekeepers through the early decades of America’s post-war prosperity. The explosion of right-wing media in the 1990s and 2000s swept those gatekeepers away, giving the loudest voice, the most exposure, and the most power to the most extreme elements on the right. The right-wing media ecosystem became a bubble from which fewer and fewer inhabitants ever ventured.

As the massive post-election study of online media from Harvard (which got far too little attention) showed, media is not symmetrical any more than broader polarization is. “Prominent media on the left are well distributed across the center, center-left, and left,” the researchers found. “On the right, prominent media are highly partisan.”

When mapping out sources of online news, researchers found that the two basic poles were the center-left and the far-right.

The center of gravity of the overall landscape is the center-left. Partisan media sources on the left are integrated into this landscape and are of lesser importance than the major media outlets of the center-left. The center of attention and influence for conservative media is on the far right. The center-right is of minor importance and is the least represented portion of the media spectrum.

In short, they conclude, “conservative media is more partisan and more insular than the left.”

That insular partisan far-right media is also full of nonsense like Pizzagate that leaves the base continuously pumped up — outraged, infuriated, terrified, and misled. At this point, as the stories above show, the conservative base will believe anything. And they are pissed about all of it.

[Byker28i]

Boydie88 said:

And I think you're missing the point that more and more people turn away from News sites and turn to Youtube. .

Just out of interest - what age group do you fall into?

[Eddie Strohacker]

Boydie88 said:

Because they really don't have the readers that the left gets it's panties in a twist over. Nor are they actually far right. Both get attacked by the real far right.

I suppose that's true if you use something like the Daily Stormer or Vanguard as a yardstick. The rest of us look on & think they're sufficiently distorting takes on news as to be risible in their own right.

[anonymous-user]

minimoog said:

This is the source of the above point BV72 made:

Vox article said:

There’s always been a conspiratorial and xenophobic fringe on the right, but it was (fitfully) held in place by gatekeepers through the early decades of America’s post-war prosperity. The explosion of right-wing media in the 1990s and 2000s swept those gatekeepers away, giving the loudest voice, the most exposure, and the most power to the most extreme elements on the right. The right-wing media ecosystem became a bubble from which fewer and fewer inhabitants ever ventured.

As the massive post-election study of online media from Harvard (which got far too little attention) showed, media is not symmetrical any more than broader polarization is. “Prominent media on the left are well distributed across the center, center-left, and left,” the researchers found. “On the right, prominent media are highly partisan.”

When mapping out sources of online news, researchers found that the two basic poles were the center-left and the far-right.

The center of gravity of the overall landscape is the center-left. Partisan media sources on the left are integrated into this landscape and are of lesser importance than the major media outlets of the center-left. The center of attention and influence for conservative media is on the far right. The center-right is of minor importance and is the least represented portion of the media spectrum.

In short, they conclude, “conservative media is more partisan and more insular than the left.”

That insular partisan far-right media is also full of nonsense like Pizzagate that leaves the base continuously pumped up — outraged, infuriated, terrified, and misled. At this point, as the stories above show, the conservative base will believe anything. And they are pissed about all of it.

Yup. That nails it. NPE sometimes seems like a microcosmic exemplar of the above, although to be fair not everyone here is a credulous loony.

[andy_s]

Boydie88 said:

The Mail is cringey, celebrity obsessed, trash. I doubt many here use it for their news.

It's second in terms of circulation in print in the UK and about 7th world-wide for online news content.

It's influence is huge unfortunately and yes, once people have finished looking at Kamiah's lean flanks while sporting a racy bikini with her new beau, they'll look to the headlines and news items as they are similarly dressed (or undressed) in a provocative fashion - deliberately so as this is how they generate money and, unfortunately, opinion amongst those that take their news consumption at face value.

People like tawdry sensationalism, Hearst and his yellow press knew this a hundred years ago and it still applies today.

[Boydie88]

Byker28i said:

Boydie88 said:

And I think you're missing the point that more and more people turn away from News sites and turn to Youtube. .

Just out of interest - what age group do you fall into?

29

Eddie Strohacker said:

Boydie88 said:

Because they really don't have the readers that the left gets it's panties in a twist over. Nor are they actually far right. Both get attacked by the real far right.

I suppose that's true if you use something like the Daily Stormer or Vanguard as a yardstick. The rest of us look on & think they're sufficiently distorting takes on news as to be risible in their own right.

Thanks for admitting you tar it all with the same brush when those groups oppose each other.

Of course the article you're all group wking over is from Vox

[minimoog]

Boydie88 said:

Thanks for admitting you tar it all with the same brush when those groups oppose each other.

Of course the article you're all group wking over is from Vox

Best run along back to the Youtube comments section then, sounds like you're right at home in that cesspit.

[Boydie88]

minimoog said:

Best run along back to the Youtube comments section then, sounds like you're right at home in that cesspit.

Thanks for helping those sections grow. I'll leave you lot to your echo chamber.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Boydie88 said:

Thanks for admitting you tar it all with the same brush when those groups oppose each other.

Eh? I'm only going on your offerings. I'll take a straw poll. Hands up all who don't think Infowars & Breitbart are far right then?

[unrepentant]

Breadvan72 said:

Boydie88 said:

Breadvan72 said:

Fox, the Mail and Breitbart are far right. Infowars is loon territory. The point that you are missing is that on the right far right is now normalised and mainstream.

Far right? Like Pro Nazis? Are you insane?

The Mail has a well documented history of being pro Nazi. Fox does not have a similar history, but neither Fox nor Breitbart were forthright in condemning the Charlottesville lot, IIRC.

Don't forget radio. Most talk radio here is very right wing and dominated by lunatics like Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin who are heavily syndicated.

Then you have local TV news. Many people get their news from the local station. Sinclair owns nearly 200 stations and is trying to buy many more. Their "news" coverage is heavily slanted to the right and is insidious. People believe what they hear on their local news station and Sinclair stations distort news to an extreme with a hard right bias delivered by a friendly "local" face. They are a very dangerous organization.

[minimoog]

Boydie88 said:

minimoog said:

Best run along back to the Youtube comments section then, sounds like you're right at home in that cesspit.

Thanks for helping those sections grow. I'll leave you lot to your echo chamber.

So you insult everyone you're addressing and then say 'see what I mean?' when they give it back? You massive baby.

[schmunk]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Eh? I'm only going on your offerings. I'll take a straw poll. Hands up all who don't think Infowars & Breitbart are far right then?

[andy_s]

[arfursleep]

schmunk said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Eh? I'm only going on your offerings. I'll take a straw poll. Hands up all who don't think Infowars & Breitbart are far right then?

[Countdown]

schmunk said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Eh? I'm only going on your offerings. I'll take a straw poll. Hands up all who don't think Infowars & Breitbart are far right then?

Very good

[CAPP0]

So, about this Donald Trump bloke, then.......



Back OT (ish), has there been any output from him on the temporary suspension of his beloved Twitter account yet? Allegedly a disgruntled employee did it on their last day working for Twitter.

[roachcoach]

CAPP0 said:

So, about this Donald Trump bloke, then.......



Back OT (ish), has there been any output from him on the temporary suspension of his beloved Twitter account yet? Allegedly a disgruntled employee did it on their last day working for Twitter.

Going by the bot activity and his current tirades, something is in the winds alright.

/popcorn

[Seventy]

CAPP0 said:

So, about this Donald Trump bloke, then.......



Back OT (ish), has there been any output from him on the temporary suspension of his beloved Twitter account yet? Allegedly a disgruntled employee did it on their last day working for Twitter.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/926401530013642765

Edited by Seventy on Friday 3rd November 12:40